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BMW 325is Value
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DES7 said:madness_inc said:DES7 said:splintheter said:tyu333 said:
For me the IS is an important part of SA motoring history, and having watched Deon Joubert racing them when I was 12, I have always lusted after one. I don't want to look back and regret not having had one,when I had the chance. I agree they are overpriced for "what they are" , but that is counter balanced by the fact that if it's trully in good condition and you maintain it irrespective of cost you will get your money back.
I reckon we close the can worms I opened now
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Deon said that the 1 M reminded him of the e30 racing.
Now the 1 M is a car keeping up with times, the 325is is a legend...Respect it and leave it there
If anyone wants to pay 150k + for a neat completely original....drop me pm
:rollsmile:
I can organise and make a 50k profit
Rhett, 325is is a collectors to those who value
135i more value for money in today's world.
So, if I were able to collect cars, 325is would definitely be a project.
Its just that, the 325is is too slow to drive in 2014.
A base spec 2014 polo yanks out about 50 -60kw.
2014 F30 316i is around the 100kw mark
How on earth is a 145kw car "slow" in comparison? Hell, even an old E30 325i is pretty sprightly given it's power to weight ratio.
Sure, and old car is not going to be as refined as a new one, but slow? nahh. We have little 0.9l 50kw cars that keep up with 2014 traffic just fine.
LOL
325is looks like a beast, sounds rough...But then you get a Fiesta ST running away from it...or a Polo GTi 1.4
325is is slow today.
Maybe if you driving a Tata you will find it fast:rollsmile:
A 325is isn't particularly special when its make up is viewed individually -
The motor isn't very powerful
The styling isn't really unique
The interior not very amazing
The drivetrain not entirely modern
BUT
When you start it up, and hear the purr on the idle. Blip the throttle lightly. Depress the clutch, getting that direct feel. Select 1st gear, and that solid gear-take. Then pull it down the road, and snap it quickly into 2nd letting the tyres shriek with joy as you let the revs dip into the red... Then you'll understand why this car is just so special - it's the way the entire package comes together :inlove:
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Sankekur
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calypso said:
Well I can't really blame him, I would be an equally smug bastard if I managed to get my hands on one...especially if it is the 2.5....
Edit:......and that just makes me think about the poor silver on black one up here that was raped by Mr Robs your Green......and the idiot owner doesn't even know the capacity of the motor.......
my bmw obesssion started with i sold my 1997 corolla rsi 5speed 20v as it was on payments...bought a "sorted" 160i rustler pickup cash, after a few years i started needing a car...but by this time i was used to owneing my cars outright..quite liked it.. so i wanted to buy something cash...
went looking around...all i could find was a ford ikon sedan...eish...
till I got handed the keys of a e30 325i 1989 4door for a test drive... i was like "i'll take it". drove this for 3 years... wrote it off "sideways"..
then a e39 525i 5'er for almost 5yrs...
then came the e39 530d which was / is a bit of a project and in this journey ive taken to some old skool also... in the last year i had a e28 520i, a e32 730i v8 (both now sold) and now alongside the e39 530d i have the e28 528i...
all of the above except the e32 were manual cars.
what i can honestly say is this, the e30 , e32, e28's all have something in common. for me personally, the e32 was a beast in many ways, but a little bit "lomp".. the chassis was a bit slow to respond (even after a full front end suspension refurb)...
the e28 520i was not the fastest but it took well to being driven as hard as it could be driven and it was surprisingly light on fuel. it was actually not a half bad run about.. infact i even made some money on her when i sold her.
interms of sedan for me the e28 is way better than the e30, but im not the shortest either (6"3) so essentially the extra roomyness of the e28, i loved my e30, it was just a bit poky inside, and no space for rear passengers to speak of. the e28 u still have half a chance...
for me, the e39 5'er ticks many boxes, my 530d isnt standard, it has all sorts of suspension "tricks"... love it. love the way it handles, more power is always welcome but already i think im a maniac on the road (torque is addictive).. but it does not give you that oldskool feel/vibe.. here's where my e28 fits in. the 528i is 135kw and 240nm... wont win any drag races.. but has a 0-100 of 7.x/8.x seconds thereabout... so its not painfully slow either... will a modern 1.4 gti polo pull away from it, probably, witll the said 1.4gti be barely broken in at 255k km ?. nope. it'll probably be falling apart and be ready for the scrapheap... for me, the 80's bmw era is a era of over-engineering...where stuff was seamingly made to last.
i think in a great way the e39 still has alot of this. but the e39/e46 is probably the last of this "Generation"... times move on... wouldnt mind a nice 135i or 335i..
theres for me just something about owning a well kept original 80's bmw..thay you KNOW cannot just be bought somewhere... mine will be used every other day and on weekends etc..
trust me, the e30 IS NOT the only oldskool beemer that you can get your oldskool kicks out of... once test drove a MINT e34 525i auto that a friend had bought.. even that gave me some grin factor...
i almost get the idea that folk looked after their cars better in that era, perhaps it was like "this is it, i can now buy a bmw new, and then it was looked after as if it was their last and only car they would ever buy"..
happy oldskoolin.
#essay over
went looking around...all i could find was a ford ikon sedan...eish...
till I got handed the keys of a e30 325i 1989 4door for a test drive... i was like "i'll take it". drove this for 3 years... wrote it off "sideways"..
then a e39 525i 5'er for almost 5yrs...
then came the e39 530d which was / is a bit of a project and in this journey ive taken to some old skool also... in the last year i had a e28 520i, a e32 730i v8 (both now sold) and now alongside the e39 530d i have the e28 528i...
all of the above except the e32 were manual cars.
what i can honestly say is this, the e30 , e32, e28's all have something in common. for me personally, the e32 was a beast in many ways, but a little bit "lomp".. the chassis was a bit slow to respond (even after a full front end suspension refurb)...
the e28 520i was not the fastest but it took well to being driven as hard as it could be driven and it was surprisingly light on fuel. it was actually not a half bad run about.. infact i even made some money on her when i sold her.
interms of sedan for me the e28 is way better than the e30, but im not the shortest either (6"3) so essentially the extra roomyness of the e28, i loved my e30, it was just a bit poky inside, and no space for rear passengers to speak of. the e28 u still have half a chance...
for me, the e39 5'er ticks many boxes, my 530d isnt standard, it has all sorts of suspension "tricks"... love it. love the way it handles, more power is always welcome but already i think im a maniac on the road (torque is addictive).. but it does not give you that oldskool feel/vibe.. here's where my e28 fits in. the 528i is 135kw and 240nm... wont win any drag races.. but has a 0-100 of 7.x/8.x seconds thereabout... so its not painfully slow either... will a modern 1.4 gti polo pull away from it, probably, witll the said 1.4gti be barely broken in at 255k km ?. nope. it'll probably be falling apart and be ready for the scrapheap... for me, the 80's bmw era is a era of over-engineering...where stuff was seamingly made to last.
i think in a great way the e39 still has alot of this. but the e39/e46 is probably the last of this "Generation"... times move on... wouldnt mind a nice 135i or 335i..
theres for me just something about owning a well kept original 80's bmw..thay you KNOW cannot just be bought somewhere... mine will be used every other day and on weekends etc..
trust me, the e30 IS NOT the only oldskool beemer that you can get your oldskool kicks out of... once test drove a MINT e34 525i auto that a friend had bought.. even that gave me some grin factor...
i almost get the idea that folk looked after their cars better in that era, perhaps it was like "this is it, i can now buy a bmw new, and then it was looked after as if it was their last and only car they would ever buy"..
happy oldskoolin.
#essay over
bex-ed
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I own two great high-end cars, but every time I drive my grandma's old-school 1993 2-litre Mazda 626, it feels alive. Although it's nowhere near as fast as the beasts in my garage, it feels raw and engaging in a mechanical manner.
But make no mistake, the Mazda is not a performance car. However, my grandma has done a great job of keeping it mint and original, all the way down to the OEM tape deck and electrical antenna - which works.
Driving it always makes me wonder what a performance car from that era felt like. And no, a Polo GTI - or most modern pocket rockets and hot hatches - can't beat a BMW 325iS.
New cars have claimed performance stats some shmuck off the street will never match. Heck, even some pros battle to match them.
(And this is the point when the inevitable "thank the engineering gods" for launch control comes in. Thanks to this feature, and deep pockets, manufacturer performance claims can more-or-less be matched - on some premium cars.)
In fact, cars back then were underrated - when contemplating manufacturers' (especially German automakers) claimed figures. Modern telemetry has proven this fact time and again.
Aside from the uninhibited performance, I feel the BMW 325iS has iconic individual styling. Its retro throwback design cues, along with the 15-inch BBS rims, blend well with the refined modern touches of the M-TECH body kit. Don't even get me started on the Ubekaro interior... need I write more?
So in essence, aside from the "uniquely for the South African market" tag, the BMW 325iS is a special car, even more special than the Opel GSI superboss... in my not-so-humble opinion. :blab: :ty:
But make no mistake, the Mazda is not a performance car. However, my grandma has done a great job of keeping it mint and original, all the way down to the OEM tape deck and electrical antenna - which works.
Driving it always makes me wonder what a performance car from that era felt like. And no, a Polo GTI - or most modern pocket rockets and hot hatches - can't beat a BMW 325iS.
New cars have claimed performance stats some shmuck off the street will never match. Heck, even some pros battle to match them.
(And this is the point when the inevitable "thank the engineering gods" for launch control comes in. Thanks to this feature, and deep pockets, manufacturer performance claims can more-or-less be matched - on some premium cars.)
In fact, cars back then were underrated - when contemplating manufacturers' (especially German automakers) claimed figures. Modern telemetry has proven this fact time and again.
Aside from the uninhibited performance, I feel the BMW 325iS has iconic individual styling. Its retro throwback design cues, along with the 15-inch BBS rims, blend well with the refined modern touches of the M-TECH body kit. Don't even get me started on the Ubekaro interior... need I write more?
So in essence, aside from the "uniquely for the South African market" tag, the BMW 325iS is a special car, even more special than the Opel GSI superboss... in my not-so-humble opinion. :blab: :ty:
bex-ed said:
Unfortunately bud, you are wrong about a polo gti beating a 325is...
I did this 2 weeks ago.
Driver came overtaking on the left, I took out my camera and took pics becoz im a Fan of the 325is...
Got him in the side mirror shot, then he passed, took a pic from behind
When we were next to each other and accelerated he had no chance of keeping up.
The I.S has power, but cannot be compared to the new generation turbo cars.
IF you own an I.S and have the occasional sprint in which you would like to keep the I.S the performance icon it is = You definitely need boost
What a very nice, informative thread. I have really enjoyed reading through this.
And I fully get what a lot of people are saying. I had a Ford Cortina 30S in the 80's (that Gunston orange colour). I have a 2011 320d E90 now. The two cars cannot be more different. The Ford had gut-wrenching torque when you floored it from stand-still.....or....that is what it felt like back then. My 320d is a far, far superior car. On paper, and in reality. It has more torque, pulls away faster, and is roughly 60km/h quicker on top end, and has more than double better fuel consumption.
But.....still.....there was something ......a feeling...the Ford had...that no other car I owned since, even the 320d, could ever hope to replicate.
I think comparing the two cars is an exercise in futility, pointless really. Both very special in their own way.
And I fully get what a lot of people are saying. I had a Ford Cortina 30S in the 80's (that Gunston orange colour). I have a 2011 320d E90 now. The two cars cannot be more different. The Ford had gut-wrenching torque when you floored it from stand-still.....or....that is what it felt like back then. My 320d is a far, far superior car. On paper, and in reality. It has more torque, pulls away faster, and is roughly 60km/h quicker on top end, and has more than double better fuel consumption.
But.....still.....there was something ......a feeling...the Ford had...that no other car I owned since, even the 320d, could ever hope to replicate.
I think comparing the two cars is an exercise in futility, pointless really. Both very special in their own way.
Lol, 325is is a legend
but can't compete with the modern day cars.
All I am saying is... Boost the 325is!
Yes, bmw heritage should be original, but it will get boring very quick if you looking for the thrill of an old skool car that CAN go sideways if you want and still take on new cars.
The deep throat idle, strong body that when you tap still sounds strong and not hollow like all new cars.
Thought to consider
1. Original 325is being lined up and left behind by a new 1.4 turbo'd Ford :thumbdo:
Or
2. Original looking 325is with a sneaky turbo or Gas conversion taking on a new C63 and schooling it taking all respect deserved.
BMW>Merc
That is the way it is supposed to be.
but can't compete with the modern day cars.
All I am saying is... Boost the 325is!
Yes, bmw heritage should be original, but it will get boring very quick if you looking for the thrill of an old skool car that CAN go sideways if you want and still take on new cars.
The deep throat idle, strong body that when you tap still sounds strong and not hollow like all new cars.
Thought to consider
1. Original 325is being lined up and left behind by a new 1.4 turbo'd Ford :thumbdo:
Or
2. Original looking 325is with a sneaky turbo or Gas conversion taking on a new C63 and schooling it taking all respect deserved.
BMW>Merc
That is the way it is supposed to be.
DES7 said:
A 325is with a turbo gets a :thumbsdo: it kills the engine and exhaust notes completely
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Blue Shirt
Well-known member
DES7 said:
I am so glad that you have not been put in charge of preserving the heritage of old BMW performance cars.:thumbdo:
The point of the 325is and others like it (E34 M5 etc), is not to race them against modern-day GTi's or C63's. The point is to enjoy them in their original form as performance cars that were superior to most others from the era in which they were made.
If you want to show up an E63 from 2014, get a 2014 M5, not a boosted (and therefore rendered worthless in my book) 325is from 1990.
Kimeran
///Member
I'm sorry, but if you own a 325iS to beat all these pocket rockets, then you really shouldn't be owning 1!
Driving a 325iS, you shouldn't even be looking at the cars around you but rather just stringing some glorious bends together while you have the privilege of hearing that straight 6 scream in your ears!
I love my C63, but I would drive the 325iS any day of the week!!
in fact, the day I got the C63, all I wanted to do was get behind the wheel of the 325iS again :inlove:
Its the stuff dreams are made of, will never part with it.....EVER!!!!!!
Driving a 325iS, you shouldn't even be looking at the cars around you but rather just stringing some glorious bends together while you have the privilege of hearing that straight 6 scream in your ears!
I love my C63, but I would drive the 325iS any day of the week!!
in fact, the day I got the C63, all I wanted to do was get behind the wheel of the 325iS again :inlove:
Its the stuff dreams are made of, will never part with it.....EVER!!!!!!
Fuzz said:
Uh...No, not if done properly
Alpina released the 325is with a turbo for the reason that it could handle more as well as the little turbo gave it a 210kw and I think about 400nms.
The 325is was built for a race like feel.
So don't come say ah we buy 325 i.s for the engine tone
Go buy a Ford Cortina then...or a chev V8
325is is a road sports car, it should move like 1!
madness_inc
Banned
DES7 said:
It did. 25 years ago. Battles with the superboss on the track. Used to watch them do top end runs on the street against the quick stroker Vr6s and fettled superbosses as well.
By modern standards it is still pretty quick. Not hot hatch quick, but quicker than the average commuter on our roads today, despite what you may believe.
Fordkoppie
///Member
DES7 said:
You sir, are delusional
Major
Active member
DES7 said:
All these comparisons you're drawing...
If your only measure of whether a car is worth owning is whether or not it can beat a modern day turbo hatch on that little straight road between your house and Woolies, I (1) feel sorry for you and (2) think you should own one for a month and come back with your experience and how much you sold the GTi for.
A Ford Model T is an icon, but just because it's slower than a scooter doesn't mean it needs boost, meth, an awful shiny steering wheel, mags, 3kw sound system and a ST badge to prove it has heritage and soul.
DES7 said:
This is what I own, without a turbo:
And it's people like myself who maintain the proper essence of what a 325is is and what it should be :thumbs:
And about my engine tone:
:roflol:
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Rodney///Marsh
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Fuzz said:DES7 said:
This is what I own, without a turbo:
And it's people like myself who maintain the proper essence of what a 325is is and what it should be :thumbs:
And about my engine tone:
:roflol:
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:roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
that was hilarious..
