Track & Drag tips for newbies

sash

///Member
Also regarding inflation, my reading(not experience as i have none) shows and Devon touched on it earlier, is that runflats have a stronger sidewall construction so deflating these will actually give you less traction as the does not have grip in the middle of the thread. Theres was also mention of tyre pressures having an impact 400m and caused slower speeds on the 1km...

I didnt have the time to play with tyre pressures, but we should carry a portable tyre inflator so that we can safely reduce and inflate as required. There was somebody who had the fore thought and brought one. :bravo:
 

Rayzor

Well-known member
This thread is awesome :bravo:
But i dont need it cause i know everything :fencelook: (just joking)
:biglol:
 

msm

Well-known member
sash said:
I didnt have the time to play with tyre pressures, but we should carry a portable tyre inflator so that we can safely reduce and inflate as required. There was somebody who had the fore thought and brought one.

That's the point of this thread - for the guys who know to help other fanatics who don't.

There's some nice info on the x35i's wrt shifting points. Would like some of the x30d guys to share info on where they shift. Let's assume standard cars, to avoid unnecessary debate, if you need to explain shifting at points of peak torque vs peak power, etc.
 

UpNcOmiNg!

Events Organiser
@Andrew, what Sash and msm said is correct, you want higher pressures for the 1km to decrease rolling resistance. The lower pressures only help you get off the line, but do remember that as you heat up your tyres (semi's at low pressure) the air inside them will expand as it gets hotter, so you will thereby be increasing the pressure so to say without increasing the volume.
 
msm@Promotec Performance said:
sash said:
I didnt have the time to play with tyre pressures, but we should carry a portable tyre inflator so that we can safely reduce and inflate as required. There was somebody who had the fore thought and brought one.

That's the point of this thread - for the guys who know to help other fanatics who don't.

There's some nice info on the x35i's wrt shifting points. Would like some of the x30d guys to share info on where they shift. Let's assume standard cars, to avoid unnecessary debate, if you need to explain shifting at points of peak torque vs peak power, etc.

must say as a track noob I am learning a lot here on this thread. Thanks guys.
 

UpNcOmiNg!

Events Organiser
With regards to DCT and Step auto guys, you only have brake boosting (launching at no more than 2,000rpm by holding on your brake and accelerating at the same time thus building your revs) or if your launch control agrees to do its job, then use it.


wrt to the diesel owners, you only have a very narrow bandwidth of power to use. Anything above about +-3,650rpm on a stock or tuned diesel is a waste of time.
1st and 2nd should be dispatched I would say at about 3,000rpm (use that torque to pull you through, avoid wheelspin by feathering through a little) then foot flat in 3rd and run to about 3,500rpm from there on.
The diesel owners can confirm this though. I have limited experience with diesels.
 

sash

///Member
UpNcOmiNg! said:
With regards to DCT and Step auto guys, you only have brake boosting (launching at no more than 2,000rpm by holding on your brake and accelerating at the same time thus building your revs) or if your launch control agrees to do its job, then use it.


wrt to the diesel owners, you only have a very narrow bandwidth of power to use. Anything above about +-3,650rpm on a stock or tuned diesel is a waste of time.
1st and 2nd should be dispatched I would say at about 3,000rpm (use that torque to pull you through, avoid wheelspin by feathering through a little) then foot flat in 3rd and run to about 3,500rpm from there on.
The diesel owners can confirm this though. I have limited experience with diesels.



kak..., you have lots of experience... :biglol:
 

UpNcOmiNg!

Events Organiser
They always behind, I can only assume thats where they change :biglol:
I have only had quite a bit of time in the 320d (e46 and F30, manual and auto) and the 530d (auto obviously)
1st and 2nd gear are a waste in a diesel, especially manual, 3rd gear they pull like trains!!!
 

Rayzor

Well-known member
It took some getting use to with the 330d, I keep the revs just above 1.5k rpm (depending on road conditions) Gear in M1, Traction control completely off, with just DTC I use to bog and thats allot of time lost. :thumbdo: Would like some tips to improve my launch :thumbs:
 

sash

///Member
Rayzor said:
It took some getting use to with the 330d, I keep the revs just above 1.5k rpm (depending on road conditions) Gear in M1, Traction control completely off, with just DTC I use to bog and thats allot of time lost. :thumbdo: Would like some tips to improve my launch :thumbs:

I tried the following on my 530d
1.in sport mode all aids on - just floored it from idle and let the car change. The take off was way too slow, (also think the gearbox adapatation had something to do with this)
2.in sport mode, manual, 2nd gear just dtc, kept revs at just over 1k - felt better, no wheelspin, but still seemed way slower than when gareth and tiaan took off.
3.in sport mode, manual, 2nd gear dtc and dsc off, kept revs at just over 1k - some wheelspin, definitely quicker take off.

What would have helped is if i had the speeds and times for each, right now it about how it 'seemed'. The speed announced for run1 was 207 and my highest was 208, so i conclude that my best take off added an extra 1km/h :idea:

Also regarding brake boosting, on some threads it is the only way, while others despise it mentioning issues with clutch and torque convertor thereafter...? Anyone?
 

///Shaun

Banned
Alright let’s get down to the requested information.

Before I start to share my personal experiences I would like to state I by no means confess to be a professional but more a die hard enthusiast in in drag racing.

For this subject I would like to break down my comment into sections :


Section 1: Achieving that perfect launch with a E90 330d


So record with this car is 13.8sec on the 400m with a 217km exit on the 1km (MSA event). These times were also achieved at different race tracks on different days. So consistency was illustrated on every trip to the dragstrip.

How was this achieved?

Add in NF boost additive – allow enough driving time for adaptation

On race day seeing that I used 265/30/19 street tyres. I drop the pressure down to 1.8bar. This will help with the hard launch Im about to explain

Now in any drag race the most important time is the 60ft time the car has to do. If a car can do a get a very good 60ft time , the 400m time will be lower.

Now you may be asking how do I get the best possible 60ft time?

Quiet simple :

Heading up towards the track I would suggest spraying the intercooler with lots of water to keep temps low as possible.

Line up the car at the Christmas lights.

Disable all driving aids, DSC etc

Engage 2nd gear in manual mode (steptronic box)

Hold 2000rpm with foot on brake

Handbrake down

Now this is key : Timing usually starts from the moment one has to leave the line , its does not start to count on green. So take your time and focus even if your opponent pulls ahead. It’s the 400m time that determines the winner and not the person that crosses the line first.

Lights goes green

Rule on the steptronic box with loads of torque available is not to hit the kick down mode , full depressed accelerator. If one does this it will engage the car back into 1st gear which will defeat the purpose of achieving a good 60ft time.

So lets try again : Lights go green , foot on accelerator holding a steady 2000rpm, handbrake down , left foot on brake pedal.

GO

Driver has to gently press accelerator to get momentum (not granny pressing), once car revs past 3000pms its safe to engage kickdown mode as car will not revert to 1st gear.

Keeping in mind we are now in manual mode 2nd gear moving forward , driver has to catch each gear at 3800rpm. Rev counter will go up till 4300rpm and do the next gear change. The steptronic box has a delay in it (torque converter) which will mean this in order to do perfect shifts one has to cater for that delay hence trying to catch each gear change at 3800rpm

As with any Diesel , high RPMS does not make power. One has to know their power band , meaning keeping the car in that power band all the time. General conesus is 3500rpm to 4200rpm for a Diesel powerband.

And that sums up how to achieve a good 60ft time and 400m time.

In order to do 1km runs , lots of persons say leave the line with lots of wheelspin it will give one a higher topend speed. I disagree as when I tested with Vbox the results where the same for topend speeds. What I would rather suggest is to the 1km run the way one would run a 400m meaning leaving the line hard and keeping the car in its powerband the entire way.


Section 2 – Power vs Weight.

Official MSA Times with my other cars :

E36 M3.2 - 13.8sec on the 400m

E90 330d - 13.8sec on the 400m

Now based on the above we have a NA car up against a Turbo Torque Monster but how do we explain the same 400m times even though the NA car is running at a loss of power due to altitude ???

Will continue with Section2 and more as soon as I get the go ahead.....

We can discuss :

1) Power vs Weight.

2) Traction with drag radials.

3) Warming up those drag radials to ensure one doesnt bog at the line

4) Breakages and strengthening of hardware components to do Hard Launches.


Let me know whats your guys take , should we continue or not?
 

Arbee

Honorary ///Member
///Shaun said:
Alright let’s get down to the requested information.

Before I start to share my personal experiences I would like to state I by no means confess to be a professional but more a die hard enthusiast in in drag racing.

For this subject I would like to break down my comment into sections :


Section 1: Achieving that perfect launch with a E90 330d


So record with this car is 13.8sec on the 400m with a 217km exit on the 1km (MSA event). These times were also achieved at different race tracks on different days. So consistency was illustrated on every trip to the dragstrip.

How was this achieved?

Add in NF boost additive – allow enough driving time for adaptation

On race day seeing that I used 265/30/19 street tyres. I drop the pressure down to 1.8bar. This will help with the hard launch Im about to explain

Now in any drag race the most important time is the 60ft time the car has to do. If a car can do a get a very good 60ft time , the 400m time will be lower.

Now you may be asking how do I get the best possible 60ft time?

Quiet simple :

Heading up towards the track I would suggest spraying the intercooler with lots of water to keep temps low as possible.

Line up the car at the Christmas lights.

Disable all driving aids, DSC etc

Engage 2nd gear in manual mode (steptronic box)

Hold 2000rpm with foot on brake

Handbrake down

Now this is key : Timing usually starts from the moment one has to leave the line , its does not start to count on green. So take your time and focus even if your opponent pulls ahead. It’s the 400m time that determines the winner and not the person that crosses the line first.

Lights goes green

Rule on the steptronic box with loads of torque available is not to hit the kick down mode , full depressed accelerator. If one does this it will engage the car back into 1st gear which will defeat the purpose of achieving a good 60ft time.

So lets try again : Lights go green , foot on accelerator holding a steady 2000rpm, handbrake down , left foot on brake pedal.

GO

Driver has to gently press accelerator to get momentum (not granny pressing), once car revs past 3000pms its safe to engage kickdown mode as car will not revert to 1st gear.

Keeping in mind we are now in manual mode 2nd gear moving forward , driver has to catch each gear at 3800rpm. Rev counter will go up till 4300rpm and do the next gear change. The steptronic box has a delay in it (torque converter) which will mean this in order to do perfect shifts one has to cater for that delay hence trying to catch each gear change at 3800rpm

As with any Diesel , high RPMS does not make power. One has to know their power band , meaning keeping the car in that power band all the time. General conesus is 3500rpm to 4200rpm for a Diesel powerband.

And that sums up how to achieve a good 60ft time and 400m time.

In order to do 1km runs , lots of persons say leave the line with lots of wheelspin it will give one a higher topend speed. I disagree as when I tested with Vbox the results where the same for topend speeds. What I would rather suggest is to the 1km run the way one would run a 400m meaning leaving the line hard and keeping the car in its powerband the entire way.


Section 2 – Power vs Weight.

Official MSA Times with my other cars :

E36 M3.2 - 13.8sec on the 400m

E90 330d - 13.8sec on the 400m

Now based on the above we have a NA car up against a Turbo Torque Monster but how do we explain the same 400m times even though the NA car is running at a loss of power due to altitude ???

Will continue with Section2 and more as soon as I get the go ahead.....

We can discuss :

1) Power vs Weight.

2) Traction with drag radials.

3) Warming up those drag radials to ensure one doesnt bog at the line

4) Breakages and strengthening of hardware components to do Hard Launches.


Let me know whats your guys take , should we continue or not?

Brilliant info...

Remind me to PK you though!!!
 

dvst8

///Member
Some important bit of advise.

Lining up at the "christmas tree" is a nerve wrecking daunting experience.

Try to remain calm. Forget about the car you lined up against. Forget about beating the other car, focus on your launch and your perfect run. You may lose the race but beat your best time.

For me a race at a track is not against another car but the clock.
 
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