The General's F13 M6 Coupe

[Sabretooth tiger]

Please take him, he will fit in the cupholder so need to worry about space...in fact he got some Indian in him too from the curry he chowed in Centurion so he may serve as a bobble head as well.

You just jealous cause you cant come along 😝

 

[General.Massacre]

Chat to Craig at the parts department at Century City. Tell him Jason with the E36 and E46's referred you, he'll hook you up. Man is an absolute LEGEND.

Shot man thank you, when next i go past there i will just pop in for a hello and greet them.
I did go past there a while back and just spoke to the service desks, and they just gave me a generic Service quote of 15k and said "its an M6, this is cheap", hahaha, so they'll still get to know what kind of cusotmer i can be. hahaha.

 

[General.Massacre]

Good afternoon everyone.

So main update we've all been waiting for.
Car was delivered around 12h30.
Needs a wash. Badly.


Managed to squeeze both the bike and the car into my new single garage. This will take some finesse every single outing.


So thoughts...
Car feels good, it's quiet so the gearbox foam insert made all the difference.

My issues:
The car could have been washed prior to collection at Budler. It was raining all of this week in JHB, so granted. Not a huge trainsmash.

Main issue, the car is smoking. Which it was never doing before, and also now has wastegate rattle, which it bever had before.
I've already sent the video to Budler. And had a chat, asking if maybe they accidentally fitted a set of turbos belonging to another car, naturally the answer was no. And he did not get defensive or rude or flustered about it either, he did say Boetie Budler is away for the weekend and will return Tuesday morning, so he will speak then, and get back to me, but this is a big concern in my life.

The car also did get 2 new PCV crank case vent valve pipes, but that shouldn't cause this, unless it's not fitted fully all the way. The fact that it's wastegate rattle, and smoking, points me to turbos, which is worrying after a large bill. And, knowing my turbos had no signs of issues before sending the car in.

Maybe a possible vacuum line pinched or caught up somewhere and blocked? Possible, so will have a look when the car is cool enough to remove covers and inspect.

Budler (Morne, the shop manager) told me to drive the car the weekend and see if it makes a difference, but the car has driven nearly 700km since everything was put together, that should be all the difference needed.

So I await the chat on Tuesday now.
Happy to have the car back, but irritated to have new issues that should have been picked up during testing.

 

[Pisancho]

Good afternoon everyone.

So main update we've all been waiting for.
Car was delivered around 12h30.
Needs a wash. Badly.
View attachment 27092View attachment 27093

Managed to squeeze both the bike and the car into my new single garage. This will take some finesse every single outing.
View attachment 27094

So thoughts...
Car feels good, it's quiet so the gearbox foam insert made all the difference.

My issues:
The car could have been washed prior to collection at Budler. It was raining all of this week in JHB, so granted. Not a huge trainsmash.

Main issue, the car is smoking. Which it was never doing before, and also now has wastegate rattle, which it bever had before.
I've already sent the video to Budler. And had a chat, asking if maybe they accidentally fitted a set of turbos belonging to another car, naturally the answer was no. And he did not get defensive or rude or flustered about it either, he did say Boetie Budler is away for the weekend and will return Tuesday morning, so he will speak then, and get back to me, but this is a big concern in my life.

The car also did get 2 new PCV crank case vent valve pipes, but that shouldn't cause this, unless it's not fitted fully all the way. The fact that it's wastegate rattle, and smoking, points me to turbos, which is worrying after a large bill. And, knowing my turbos had no signs of issues before sending the car in.

Maybe a possible vacuum line pinched or caught up somewhere and blocked? Possible, so will have a look when the car is cool enough to remove covers and inspect.

Budler (Morne, the shop manager) told me to drive the car the weekend and see if it makes a difference, but the car has driven nearly 700km since everything was put together, that should be all the difference needed.

So I await the chat on Tuesday now.
Happy to have the car back, but irritated to have new issues that should have been picked up during testing.

Damn, surely with all the money spent and time they had the car for the issues should have been sorted out. Hopefully it isn't hectic. Wastegate rattle? Is it a PWG like the N55s? Not sure if thats a PWG thing or if its there with the electronic ones.

 

[General.Massacre]

Damn, surely with all the money spent and time they had the car for the issues should have been sorted out. Hopefully it isn't hectic. Wastegate rattle? Is it a PWG like the N55s? Not sure if thats a PWG thing or if its there with the electronic ones.

Yea thats my thoughts also. im sure that the smoking did not just happen due to the new Cape Town air thats for sure.

The car is indeed PWG, so has the same rattle issues as N54/N55, but mine was not rattling even a little bit prior to being sent there, nor was it smoking.

 

[PsyCLown]

Ahh shit man, hopefully it is something minor and a cheap and quick fix.
Hauling the car between JHB and CPT won't be fun.

Disappointing that this was never mentioned to you either.

 

[AshG108]

Good afternoon everyone.

So main update we've all been waiting for.
Car was delivered around 12h30.
Needs a wash. Badly.
View attachment 27092View attachment 27093

Managed to squeeze both the bike and the car into my new single garage. This will take some finesse every single outing.
View attachment 27094

So thoughts...
Car feels good, it's quiet so the gearbox foam insert made all the difference.

My issues:
The car could have been washed prior to collection at Budler. It was raining all of this week in JHB, so granted. Not a huge trainsmash.

Main issue, the car is smoking. Which it was never doing before, and also now has wastegate rattle, which it bever had before.
I've already sent the video to Budler. And had a chat, asking if maybe they accidentally fitted a set of turbos belonging to another car, naturally the answer was no. And he did not get defensive or rude or flustered about it either, he did say Boetie Budler is away for the weekend and will return Tuesday morning, so he will speak then, and get back to me, but this is a big concern in my life.

The car also did get 2 new PCV crank case vent valve pipes, but that shouldn't cause this, unless it's not fitted fully all the way. The fact that it's wastegate rattle, and smoking, points me to turbos, which is worrying after a large bill. And, knowing my turbos had no signs of issues before sending the car in.

Maybe a possible vacuum line pinched or caught up somewhere and blocked? Possible, so will have a look when the car is cool enough to remove covers and inspect.

Budler (Morne, the shop manager) told me to drive the car the weekend and see if it makes a difference, but the car has driven nearly 700km since everything was put together, that should be all the difference needed.

So I await the chat on Tuesday now.
Happy to have the car back, but irritated to have new issues that should have been picked up during testing.

That sucks dude, sorry about that but the loading video didn't have any smoke in it when they started it up and took it onto the ramp to enter the truck.

Hoping the car just missed you and is adjusting to the difference in altitude for now and it comes right within the weekend. crossing fingers for a positive outcome for you bud.

Since you entire documenting of the work they did and the way they went about it, hoping it is something small all together bud.

 

[General.Massacre]

That sucks dude, sorry about that but the loading video didn't have any smoke in it when they started it up and took it onto the ramp to enter the truck.

Hoping the car just missed you and is adjusting to the difference in altitude for now and it comes right within the weekend. crossing fingers for a positive outcome for you bud.

Since you entire documenting of the work they did and the way they went about it, hoping it is something small all together bud.

thanks man, yea im hoping the same, but since there is wastegate rattle and smoke, its not sitting well with me that it will all of a sudden come right.

Int he loading video, now that ive gone back to view it, around the 20sec mark, there is a hint of what looks like smoke on the right side, i assumed it was just a dirty camera, as its not present again in the video, but now, it seems like it indeed smoke.

So i guess i have to wait for word from Boetie, and take it from there on tuesday, ill drive the car the weekend, and will see.

 

[AshG108]

thanks man, yea im hoping the same, but since there is wastegate rattle and smoke, its not sitting well with me that it will all of a sudden come right.

Int he loading video, now that ive gone back to view it, around the 20sec mark, there is a hint of what looks like smoke on the right side, i assumed it was just a dirty camera, as its not present again in the video, but now, it seems like it indeed smoke.

So i guess i have to wait for word from Boetie, and take it from there on tuesday, ill drive the car the weekend, and will see.

Yeah I saw that now also, guess the excitement the car being loaded and ready got to us all lol.

 

[jld010]

What an aesthetic brute of a sports car. Keep them pics coming.

 

[TurboLlew]

With the smoke in the vid it's hard to say for sure but looks like it's just the cold snap causing it. It isn't lingering for very long - but again - vid is potato quality. It was quite chilly when they were loading up (probably worse further south).

With all the updates and checks along the way that they had given you, I'd have thought they would have identified and flagged the rattle and the smoking to you as they were going along - especially with the running in. Lets see what happens on this.

FWIW I last experienced this 6 years ago or so, so memory may be hazy - but there are a pair of donut gaskets in the downpipes that sound an awful lot like a wastegate rattle if they aren't fitted (and maybe it was masked or overpowered by the sounds caused by the missing foam?). Might be that and PCVs not seated causing the smoke (a stretch perhaps, but I am trying to look on the bright side LOL). it's part #7 below.

 

[General.Massacre]

With the smoke in the vid it's hard to say for sure but looks like it's just the cold snap causing it. It isn't lingering for very long - but again - vid is potato quality. It was quite chilly when they were loading up (probably worse further south).

With all the updates and checks along the way that they had given you, I'd have thought they would have identified and flagged the rattle and the smoking to you as they were going along - especially with the running in. Lets see what happens on this.

FWIW I last experienced this 6 years ago or so, so memory may be hazy - but there are a pair of donut gaskets in the downpipes that sound an awful lot like a wastegate rattle if they aren't fitted (and maybe it was masked or overpowered by the sounds caused by the missing foam?). Might be that and PCVs not seated causing the smoke (a stretch perhaps, but I am trying to look on the bright side LOL). it's part #7 below.

Thanks Llew,
I hope that gasket is installed, as when I purchased and fitted the Comp exhaust, I bought new gaskets, so hope that is not the case.
without dropping the front of the exhaust there is no way to check.i don't believe I can remove the DP to check without loosening the bracket at the bottom, even tho the DP just literally drops into the exhaust down there. Will have to have a look.
But will see what Tuesday brings first.

 

[///M Individual]

So sorry bud and hope these can be resolved painlessly. Was so impressed with Budler following your journey and disappointed that these issues were not picked up, especially the rattle, since you went through so much of effort trying to sort the other rattle. They should have known how pedantic you are.

 

[Gordvisr]

Sad to hear about your smoking and rattle issue, my experience with the"rattle" issue on turbo's, i never physically heard rattle sounds from them but the were worn, at times the wastegates did not close properly and could feel the difference between leaking and when it was not leaking anymore( at the time did not know about the "rattle" issue ) so the rattle sound might be something else.( like Llew mentioned about the donut gasket, it could also be one of the clamps that might have come loose, space in there is quite restrict ) On the smoking side, is it oil ? Also from my experience my one side is currently smoking a bit (RH side of the car ), mine is beacuse of the oil seperators inside valve covers and it's best when replacing pcv valves to replace these also. to diagnose this is quite easy to see, depending on your location of the PCV suction to turbo. On the X5, i have removed the airbox togehter with the intake rubber pipes. The cowels to inlet of turbo's still in place, with a slight warm to hot engine on idle you can physically see the oil fumes entering the turbo \ turbo's . The other indication would be "oily" turbo's on your intake side.

 

[Gordvisr]

just had a quick look on Real OEM and it looks like your engine crank ventilation system is not the same as the older S63, so scratch some of my response.

 

[NBN]

@General.Massacre any update from Budler with regards to the smoking and rattling?

 

[General.Massacre]

Sad to hear about your smoking and rattle issue, my experience with the"rattle" issue on turbo's, i never physically heard rattle sounds from them but the were worn, at times the wastegates did not close properly and could feel the difference between leaking and when it was not leaking anymore( at the time did not know about the "rattle" issue ) so the rattle sound might be something else.( like Llew mentioned about the donut gasket, it could also be one of the clamps that might have come loose, space in there is quite restrict ) On the smoking side, is it oil ? Also from my experience my one side is currently smoking a bit (RH side of the car ), mine is beacuse of the oil seperators inside valve covers and it's best when replacing pcv valves to replace these also. to diagnose this is quite easy to see, depending on your location of the PCV suction to turbo. On the X5, i have removed the airbox togehter with the intake rubber pipes. The cowels to inlet of turbo's still in place, with a slight warm to hot engine on idle you can physically see the oil fumes entering the turbo \ turbo's . The other indication would be "oily" turbo's on your intake side.

Sorry man I havent responded to the latest messages.
It's definately oil. And can smell it quite heavily.
No oily intake tracts, as all still fresh which is great, Budler and the team were great and replaced the PCV hoses, so those are fresh and brand new OEM units on each bank, so I can rule PCV out.

@General.Massacre any update from Budler with regards to the smoking and rattling?

I did have a chat with Budler, and been requested I drive the car for a while, as I normally would drive, I did enquire to make sure exactly how to be driven, and was ensured in the fact that I can push the car, obviously not to redline and limit it, but within reason, get the car hot etc.
The car currently has OEM BMW LL01 5w30 in, so it's fully synthetic and lubricates very well, so I was told to give it some time and just drive the car, and keep them updated.

 

[Pisancho]

Sorry man I havent responded to the latest messages.
It's definately oil. And can smell it quite heavily.
No oily intake tracts, as all still fresh which is great, Budler and the team were great and replaced the PCV hoses, so those are fresh and brand new OEM units on each bank, so I can rule PCV out.


I did have a chat with Budler, and been requested I drive the car for a while, as I normally would drive, I did enquire to make sure exactly how to be driven, and was ensured in the fact that I can push the car, obviously not to redline and limit it, but within reason, get the car hot etc.
The car currently has OEM BMW LL01 5w30 in, so it's fully synthetic and lubricates very well, so I was told to give it some time and just drive the car, and keep them updated.

Hopefully the issue gets sorted. I had some troubles around September last year with my tappet cover sweating a bit of oil and had decided to have the gasket replaced at XLFOW performance. They did it and all was good for about a week and then the car started misfiring and smoke was coming out of the exhaust. I fortunately didn't get angry at them and just called Alister and let him know what the car was doing. They took it in, and spent about a week going through the whole car, the turbo was even taken out. They finally traced it back to the tappet cover, my PCV was at the end of its life. Got a new tappet cover and gasket fitted and the car was fine. Misfiring was due to plugs and coils.

Since the turbo was already out I had then decided to get the Hybrid done. If I had blown up at them it would have definitely been a different story. It was just a coincidence that my plugs gave out a week after i collected the car. It is also normal practice to replace the whole tappet cover and not just the gasket. The way you are handling it is very mature and based on how you speak about Budler and his team I am sure the problem will get sorted as long as both sides are professional with everything.

 

[General.Massacre]

Yea absolutely, can be a myriad of causes, just takes time.
Boetie and the team have years of experience, so i trust their judgement, Im not angry at them by any means, stuff happens, and we move forward to the resolution, whichever it may be. Boetie is extremely accommodating, and always willing to have a chat, so i have no complaints int hat department at all.

So im driving the car as suggested, and will monitor the coming days/weeks to see how it all goes, and keep Boetie updated on the progress, and whats happening with the smoke as it goes along.

 

[M3boi]

No updates here seeing the car is for sale on Marketplace?