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Read the WELCOME ALL BMWFANATICS post.
My first F30 problem.
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RAArmstrong
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I don't think I need to type the same thing twice. The below applies here too.
http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=57879&pid=952282#pid952282
http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=57879&pid=952282#pid952282
///Shaun
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Gizmo said:
MODS - Do your JOB, this is not acceptable , making accusations , name calling or does FAVOURISTISM apply to certain users?
@ GIZMO What nonsense are you talking and making up stories , as per other thread.
Here is my number 0828352853. I will come and resolve your so called accusations where ever you like. Hell even come over to my house if you like we can sit there and discuss
UPDATE : 23/06/2014 , 9:05am
Called GIZMO and the guy immediately makes up stories and quickly hangs up once I mention the word attorneys for making false accusations.
Nastaliq
Well-known member
I think almost every "enthusiast" forum is having this discussion about what they are enthusiastic about, in this case BMWs, but the same discussion had and is probably had by car enthusiasts, gun enthusiasts, PC enthusiasts, DIY guys, bank account holders, postal service users, supermarket users............basically anything.
I challenge any of you, seriously, to sit down, and think of something you have bought recently whose inherent ability/quality has actually improved from the first time you originally bought said item. Not something that was invented 3 months ago like a cellphone and has been improved since then, something you remember from litey days, that's been improved since then, you still use it and its now better than ever.
I recently bought Kiwi black shoe polish for my work shoes. The same brand of polish my dad bought for his work shoes when I was 7 years old, which I used to polish my first school shoes in the 80s.
It was dry and hard and cracked on the first time I opened the canister. The second time I Opened it, that small tin-jippo-thing came flying off and I cant get it back on. I am now stuck with a tin of mostly full shoe polish that is hard and dry and I cannot open without a screwdriver and sheer determination (short of tack welding that spinning-jippo-thing back on again).
Does anyone care about the shoe polish? Flip no, but it does illustrate the very point many, if not all posters on this thread are making.
We LOVED.......
Not LOVE.........
We LOVED those BMWs.
It is for this reason, apart from others that we made that first step and bought our first one. And for some of us, that 1st one, was 30 years ago, and we have bought 30 thereafter, and for some of us that 1st one was this year.
Firstly, There is no question that NOT MUCH (if not NOTHING) is made the way it used to be.
Heck even wives, used to be beautiful, could cook like chefs, and wouldnt think of back talking. Now most of them are overweight and can drive you batty with all the second guessing and "women can do anything a man can do better" , "really", "then open your own bloody door", don't tell me you can mine, and fix computers, tell me, that you are willing to open your own door for your fat self, pull out your own chair and carry your own heavy shit. Do all that and I will believe women can do anything a man can do. (buts that's another argument( I digress). and by the way, my wife isn't FAT. she is PHAT
Simply, they are not made like they used to be.
Nobody is disputing the fact.
Secondly, there have been improvements. Of that there is no question - take Xenon lighting, its a taken for granted, but would have gotten you in car magazines if you had it on your E30 thirty years ago.
Some BMW "Enthusiasts" today, don't know that there were E cars.
the first E car, the E3 in 1968.to these younger guys, or newcomers to the brand the F30/10/31 etc is the hottest thing since sliced bread.
And to us 6 cyl guys, it cant compare (in our opinion) to the golden oldies.
But in 30 years or so, WE will all be pushing up flowers and nobody will give a shit about 6 cyl engines. It will be lamented the way we talk about VHS tapes. technology and the world will have moved on.
I guess the point I am arriving at is that its the frame of reference here that needs to be taken into account.
My dad has owned BMWs since the E12, he now drives an E90. Does he think the E90 is better than every other car before it? Obviously not, each car was a technological marvel in its day, and yes, his E12 would take on a concrete barrier and win, while the E90 cant survive a tiff with a Ford Ka. On the other hand though, the E12 drank petrol like an alcoholic in a jack daniels factory, while the E90 330d that he owns shunts off the line at 8l to 100km when driving hard.
For him, and his frame of reference, having owned numerous BMWs including the first the E24, BMW has changed a lot.
For me, my fathers son, I drove some of those older cars, and LOVED them, maybe because they represented something else to me as a child, then a teen, and now something else as an adult.
My first BMW that I owned was an E90 1st Gen. It was awesome, I enjoyed the drive, but it was never as powerful or solid on corners as the e28 525e my father used to let me loaf in when I was at varsity.
Yes, by that time, the e46 was around, and the IT kids drove them, but I occasionally drove a BMW 5 series to campus, and for me that was enough.
Frame of reference and the "different strokes" for different folks adage is often mentioned and it does hold true.
in the end, we buy different socks for different reasons, some of us like polyester (we swear by it), we think anyone who doesn't use it is archaic and stupid. Some of us swear by cotton for breathability, and sweat absorption, thinking anyone wearing anything else is a nut.
some of us like Cotton elastane blend, or wool or cashmere, or whatever.
BMWs are expensive "socks", they give us something we don't perceive we would have if we drove an Audi/Merc/ insert_car_brand_here, be it safety, speed, security, comfort, reputation, insert_characteristic_here. And each is can never be the same or better in every field when compared to its predecessor. In some instances better, in some instances poorer. and what we do as "enthusiasts" is combine that frame of reference, different strokes thing to decide whether IN OUR OPINION we are prepared to tolerate that SHIT that EVERY BMW HAS for the AWESOMENESS-FACTOR that EVERY BMW HAS in some form or the other.
And that dear girls and boys is how the world goes round. It has a name girls and boys - its called consumerism. Its what lets us make decisions to buy/avoid what we want, based on our own individual characteristics/life stage/financial position.
In the end, the most important thing for me, is to never say "Oh that guy is an arse because he drives an F30/E46/E90/F10/E39/F01 because what I drive is better". We should be mindful that we have the luxury of deciding what BMW we can drive.
For people just outside your window, they don't have that luxury, they will never drive a BMW, they don't even sit around with their friends having that"if you were rich what BMW would you drive" conversation, because they are having the "if I have R2 more I can buy a loaf of bread" conversation.
Perspective guys, Context and frame of reference, these are important things.
I challenge any of you, seriously, to sit down, and think of something you have bought recently whose inherent ability/quality has actually improved from the first time you originally bought said item. Not something that was invented 3 months ago like a cellphone and has been improved since then, something you remember from litey days, that's been improved since then, you still use it and its now better than ever.
I recently bought Kiwi black shoe polish for my work shoes. The same brand of polish my dad bought for his work shoes when I was 7 years old, which I used to polish my first school shoes in the 80s.
It was dry and hard and cracked on the first time I opened the canister. The second time I Opened it, that small tin-jippo-thing came flying off and I cant get it back on. I am now stuck with a tin of mostly full shoe polish that is hard and dry and I cannot open without a screwdriver and sheer determination (short of tack welding that spinning-jippo-thing back on again).
Does anyone care about the shoe polish? Flip no, but it does illustrate the very point many, if not all posters on this thread are making.
We LOVED.......
Not LOVE.........
We LOVED those BMWs.
It is for this reason, apart from others that we made that first step and bought our first one. And for some of us, that 1st one, was 30 years ago, and we have bought 30 thereafter, and for some of us that 1st one was this year.
Firstly, There is no question that NOT MUCH (if not NOTHING) is made the way it used to be.
Heck even wives, used to be beautiful, could cook like chefs, and wouldnt think of back talking. Now most of them are overweight and can drive you batty with all the second guessing and "women can do anything a man can do better" , "really", "then open your own bloody door", don't tell me you can mine, and fix computers, tell me, that you are willing to open your own door for your fat self, pull out your own chair and carry your own heavy shit. Do all that and I will believe women can do anything a man can do. (buts that's another argument( I digress). and by the way, my wife isn't FAT. she is PHAT
Simply, they are not made like they used to be.
Nobody is disputing the fact.
Secondly, there have been improvements. Of that there is no question - take Xenon lighting, its a taken for granted, but would have gotten you in car magazines if you had it on your E30 thirty years ago.
Some BMW "Enthusiasts" today, don't know that there were E cars.
the first E car, the E3 in 1968.to these younger guys, or newcomers to the brand the F30/10/31 etc is the hottest thing since sliced bread.
And to us 6 cyl guys, it cant compare (in our opinion) to the golden oldies.
But in 30 years or so, WE will all be pushing up flowers and nobody will give a shit about 6 cyl engines. It will be lamented the way we talk about VHS tapes. technology and the world will have moved on.
I guess the point I am arriving at is that its the frame of reference here that needs to be taken into account.
My dad has owned BMWs since the E12, he now drives an E90. Does he think the E90 is better than every other car before it? Obviously not, each car was a technological marvel in its day, and yes, his E12 would take on a concrete barrier and win, while the E90 cant survive a tiff with a Ford Ka. On the other hand though, the E12 drank petrol like an alcoholic in a jack daniels factory, while the E90 330d that he owns shunts off the line at 8l to 100km when driving hard.
For him, and his frame of reference, having owned numerous BMWs including the first the E24, BMW has changed a lot.
For me, my fathers son, I drove some of those older cars, and LOVED them, maybe because they represented something else to me as a child, then a teen, and now something else as an adult.
My first BMW that I owned was an E90 1st Gen. It was awesome, I enjoyed the drive, but it was never as powerful or solid on corners as the e28 525e my father used to let me loaf in when I was at varsity.
Yes, by that time, the e46 was around, and the IT kids drove them, but I occasionally drove a BMW 5 series to campus, and for me that was enough.
Frame of reference and the "different strokes" for different folks adage is often mentioned and it does hold true.
in the end, we buy different socks for different reasons, some of us like polyester (we swear by it), we think anyone who doesn't use it is archaic and stupid. Some of us swear by cotton for breathability, and sweat absorption, thinking anyone wearing anything else is a nut.
some of us like Cotton elastane blend, or wool or cashmere, or whatever.
BMWs are expensive "socks", they give us something we don't perceive we would have if we drove an Audi/Merc/ insert_car_brand_here, be it safety, speed, security, comfort, reputation, insert_characteristic_here. And each is can never be the same or better in every field when compared to its predecessor. In some instances better, in some instances poorer. and what we do as "enthusiasts" is combine that frame of reference, different strokes thing to decide whether IN OUR OPINION we are prepared to tolerate that SHIT that EVERY BMW HAS for the AWESOMENESS-FACTOR that EVERY BMW HAS in some form or the other.
And that dear girls and boys is how the world goes round. It has a name girls and boys - its called consumerism. Its what lets us make decisions to buy/avoid what we want, based on our own individual characteristics/life stage/financial position.
In the end, the most important thing for me, is to never say "Oh that guy is an arse because he drives an F30/E46/E90/F10/E39/F01 because what I drive is better". We should be mindful that we have the luxury of deciding what BMW we can drive.
For people just outside your window, they don't have that luxury, they will never drive a BMW, they don't even sit around with their friends having that"if you were rich what BMW would you drive" conversation, because they are having the "if I have R2 more I can buy a loaf of bread" conversation.
Perspective guys, Context and frame of reference, these are important things.
My F30 320D with sport pack and 28,000 km on the clock, started with this unacceptable humming noise about 6,000 km ago. Took it to Forsdicks Tygervalley just before a trip to George, to be told that the aggressive suspension setup for the sport pack caused this. The recommendation was that I take it to Auto Quip next door and have the tyres rotated left to right and right to left. They observed that signs of feathering on the outsides of the tyres were evident. Having done that and balanced them they checked wheel alignment. Lo and behold this was way out front and rear and after adjusting I left R700 poorer. They assured me that the trip to George and back would even out the wear and the noise would disappear. http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/images/smilies/Top24/thumbs.gif. Needless to say after returning this was worse than before. I finally go an appointment with the BMW factory rep and after driving the car he noted that it was strange that there was so much tyre noise. He took down tyre dates and undertook to get back to me. BMW on call contacted me to tell me that parts had been ordered from Germany and the dealer would call me to advise when these had arrived. My car is now booked in next week for 2 days to have vibration arrestors fitted to the suspension. I am looking forward to seeing what these look like and to drive the car to see if it makes a difference.
Iceman007 said:
Well!Iceman007 said:
Here i am!
It's been a wile this topic was open but...
I found the exact same problem with my F31 (320d) - 2013.
I bought it in 2014, used with 32000Km from BMW in Germany and 2 years waranty from BMW for all europe Mechanic and Electric issues included.
It has almost 50000Km on it and is still on warranty till the end of 2016.
A smooth noise when i ride above 100-120Km/h.
The sound looks like it was from the front left side...
They tested all they could find.
It was not the tyres and they were new.
I do not use RunFlat tyres.
All plastic covers were well attached.
The rims were almost brand new and without any problems.
All bearings were good.
They tested and tested and... Tested.
The problem is on the Differencial.
BMW from Germany already notice that they were having some problems like this with other cars.
They just cound not understand why BMW from Portugal woundn't solve my problem sooner using my warranty.
I really like this car but i'm too disapointed...
Soon i get it fixed i think i'm going to sell it and buy a Mercedes C Class.
For all BMW lovers i hope you never find this problem and if you do i hope this was usefull info.
Regards,
Toylander
JohnLod
///Member
Hi,
The noise could be from the sump guard/wind turbulence.
Bear with me.
I have had three clients with this description, found that the sump guard was causing the wind turbulence to cause the noise and I was convinced it was a wheel bearing/tyre. Took a couple of days to figure it out.
If I can make a suggestion, take off all the covers underneath and the sump guard and see if the noise goes away.
If the vehicle is in motor plan suggest it to the dealer.
The fix is very simple, you just need to push the middle of the sump guard out very slightly to just change the way the wind flows over it while driving.
Would be interested on feedback on this.
The noise could be from the sump guard/wind turbulence.
Bear with me.
I have had three clients with this description, found that the sump guard was causing the wind turbulence to cause the noise and I was convinced it was a wheel bearing/tyre. Took a couple of days to figure it out.
If I can make a suggestion, take off all the covers underneath and the sump guard and see if the noise goes away.
If the vehicle is in motor plan suggest it to the dealer.
The fix is very simple, you just need to push the middle of the sump guard out very slightly to just change the way the wind flows over it while driving.
Would be interested on feedback on this.
Hi there!John@Leo Haese Pretoria BMW said:
I found the noisy problem when i was comming home from BMW dealer standart service inspection.
I also only notice it, because i speed it up a little more than i should and drive over 100 Km/h and the radio wasn't high.
The problem/solution was indentified by BMW dealer.
If the BMW dealer identifyed the problem saying it's from the Differencial, i'm not gonna tell them it could be something else. I guess they must know what they are doing...
I just wanted it fixed up as soon as possible. It has been almost 2 months and BMW dealer in Portugal is still... Well i don't know what they are still doing...
But thanks anyway for your solution. Maybe it can be a usefull solution for someone else
Feedback will be left!
Regards,
Toylander
Hello again!
Have some news!
Well as i said before, the BMW dealer identified the supposed problem and it was from the Differential.
As you told me i suggest it to the dealer. He reply saying that it was not needed because the mechanic found the problem.
The car is still in warranty but because it was bought in another country i have to pay in advance and ask for a refund...
I did. They received the Differential and it was replaced in the car.
The problem now is that it didn't go away as it was supposed.
Is still making the buzzing noise after 100Km/h.
So, Mr. John, i'm going to ask you if you could identify what sump guard was causing the same problem in your clients in the picture below.
Gratefully
Best regards,
Helder Ferreira
Have some news!
Well as i said before, the BMW dealer identified the supposed problem and it was from the Differential.
As you told me i suggest it to the dealer. He reply saying that it was not needed because the mechanic found the problem.
The car is still in warranty but because it was bought in another country i have to pay in advance and ask for a refund...
I did. They received the Differential and it was replaced in the car.
The problem now is that it didn't go away as it was supposed.
Is still making the buzzing noise after 100Km/h.
So, Mr. John, i'm going to ask you if you could identify what sump guard was causing the same problem in your clients in the picture below.
Gratefully
Best regards,
Helder Ferreira
JohnLod
///Member
Toylander said:Hello again!
Have some news!
Well as i said before, the BMW dealer identified the supposed problem and it was from the Differential.
As you told me i suggest it to the dealer. He reply saying that it was not needed because the mechanic found the problem.
The car is still in warranty but because it was bought in another country i have to pay in advance and ask for a refund...
I did. They received the Differential and it was replaced in the car.
The problem now is that it didn't go away as it was supposed.
Is still making the buzzing noise after 100Km/h.
So, Mr. John, i'm going to ask you if you could identify what sump guard was causing the same problem in your clients in the picture below.
Gratefully
Best regards,
Helder Ferreira
Hi Helder
on the SA version, what you have listed as the front one is made of aluminium and goes from the front to just behind the front wheels. It is the only aluminium sump guard on the vehicle. Is this a pic of your vehicle or from the internet? I found the fault by removing ALL the covers underneath the vehicle, have they tried that yet?
John@Leo Haese Pretoria BMW said:
No they haven't try that yet but once i push a bit for it, they're going to do that tomorrow. That's why i want to know where you found the problem...
What is a SA version?
The pic is from my own car that i took and i just joined 2 pic in one.
So you say that you found the problem on the front sump guard beneath the engine (red circle)?
Best regards,
Helder Ferreira
JohnLod
///Member
Toylander said:John@Leo Haese Pretoria BMW said:
No they haven't try that yet but once i push a bit for it, they're going to do that tomorrow. That's why i want to know where you found the problem...
What is a SA version?
The pic is from my own car that i took and i just joined 2 pic in one.
So you say that you found the problem on the front sump guard beneath the engine (red circle)?
Best regards,
Helder Ferreira
Hi Helder,
sorry been hectic today, yes, when we removed it the noise went away.
From what I remember in the "old" days a metal sump guard was optional (all SA vehicles had them but in Europe it was optional). As far I know in todays BMW's they are now part of the strength of the vehicle so I assumed the "red circle" is a metal/aluminium sump guard.
We also thought it was a wheel bearing or something to that effect. I am not saying this is the solution, but your suyptons are almost identical. I just read through some of the original post. Our symptons were as follows:
Humming droning noise from left/front.
We also noticed that it generally started around 100km/h
We also noticed that if you drove into the wind the spead at which you hear it would sometimes get affected, if you drove with the wind you may need to go up to 120km/h
Swerving on the road made no difference (left to right)
Putting it into N no difference
Switching off the engine also had no effect.
If you sit in the l/f seat it was very noticeable from the l/f foot well/wheel area.
Eventually after more tests decided to remove all the covers off the bottom of the vehicle.
Noise went way and then started putting them back one at a time till the noise came back , a word of caution, make sure that they don't break off if not secured properly (experience).
Eventually when refitting the big aluminium sump guard (red circle)noise came back.
We then just "gently" bent the corners up vey slightly to change the profile of the "bottom" of the vehicle. Noise been gone since.
John@Leo Haese Pretoria BMW said:
Hello!
Still nothing!
Before they remove all the covers, they decide to block every air entrances in front of the car, but with no results.
I guess they'll remove them today. At least that's what i think...
Once i have some news i'll tell something ;-)
What i have to say right now is a big THANK YOU for your help!
Kind regards,
Helder Ferreira
John@Leo Haese Pretoria BMW said:
Hi there!
Some news!
They decide to take all the covers from the bottom of my car and... The noise just dissapeared!!!
They are now placing them one by one, to find which one was causing the buzzing noise...
As soon as i got any more info's about it. I'll tell.
Best regards,
Helder Ferreira
Gizmo said:More and more horror stories coming out of BMW's reverse engineering these days, glad Im sticking to my e36 and e46 guns! I feel sorry for you guys who downgraded to the E90 and F30, it sure does leave a bitter taste in the mouth when you find out your favourite car manufacturer cannot build a quality reliable car or be able to fix 'em any more...
I still think runflat tyres are the biggest BS to come fitted to a modern BMW...
I dont know whats wrong with having a sparewheel in your boot. Runflats is realy BS
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