My first F30 problem.

[Iceman007]

You haven't been to your local dealer in a while have you???

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Im sorry but complaints shouldn't be the norm, no matter what manufacturer or series!

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Sorry to say but please don't comment on something you know nothing about.

I have owned an e46 325i 2003 model for 5 years. Yes its a solid car but it had its problems
1. Lower control arm bushes at least 3times under MP
2. Diff was replaced twice
3. Oil leaks oil filter housing and tapet cover gasket
4. Water bottle
5. Alternator
6. Clutch
7. Idle control valve
9. Power steering pump

MY E90 325i LCI 2009 was a problem child
1. Gear changes not smooth and mechatronics was replaced
2. Misfire at startup. Injectors was replaced
3. The hunting at startup. Complete head was replaced aventually
Owned it for a year and a half and I got gatvol

My F30 320d 2013
1.Humming noise and after replacing bearings twice it was still there. It has now mysteriously disappeared.
2. Steering rack was replaced
I have the car for a year now and im loving it. Ill think ill keep this car for a long time but only time will tell.

If you see how many F30's are on the road today it is understandable that they will be seen at the dealer more than the older BMW's It must be my imagenation but I see more F30's on the road than e46 and e90's.

The handling and feel of an F30 is miles apart from the e46 and e90. I suggest you go drive one and own one before you make a statement like that

 

[Twinz]

All cars will sooner or later develop issues. They mobile assets. They meant to break.

The e90 335 (for example) came from the factory with various issues of which the hpfp was the most notorious. Bmw denied that this was a problem until owners in the US took a class action to court for hpfp, including injectors and a few other claims. This turbo charged car became a classic despite its initial problems which has subsided after various parts updates.

We have seen various recalls on e46's and other Bmw models over the years. But this is the downside to mass production vehicles and the global expansion of the brand.

An area where BMW can certainly improve on is customer service and the constant development and schooling of their technicians.

 

[Iceman007]

Agree with Twinz. Every car has its problems even Mercedes and Audi

 

[Gizmo]

You guys must be blind or naive to the fact that BMW have traded build quality for profits in the last two 3series models. An older model bmw won't just completely shut down on you because they were designed by engineers and were more mechanical based and had very little electronics to potentially fail. The mechanical parts will give you warning signs to let you know its going to fail. Cost of replacing a mechanical part is way cheaper than anything with a PC board fitted to it...
All the new generation BMWs are loaded with electronics on all their components and this pushes up the part prices considerably, lets not forget the fact that BMW have never been really good at electronics to begin with...You can clearly see that the newer models are designed around motorplan, once motorplan expires you are forced to replace the car because the maintenance and upkeep becomes too costly.

A water pump from BMW for a E46 330i costs R1600, its a purely mechanical part and will give you warning signs when its going to fail. A water pump from BMW for a E90 330i costs R7500, its an electrical part and doesn't give you any warnings on pending failure and because you don't have a heat gauge you don't know its failed until its too late...Yeah a light pops up on the dash saying pump failure but what good will that do when you stuck in the middle of the Karoo...

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Sorry to say but please don't comment on something you know nothing about.

I have owned an e46 325i 2003 model for 5 years. Yes its a solid car but it had its problems
1. Lower control arm bushes at least 3times under MP
2. Diff was replaced twice
3. Oil leaks oil filter housing and tapet cover gasket
4. Water bottle
5. Alternator
6. Clutch
7. Idle control valve
9. Power steering pump

MY E90 325i LCI 2009 was a problem child
1. Gear changes not smooth and mechatronics was replaced
2. Misfire at startup. Injectors was replaced
3. The hunting at startup. Complete head was replaced aventually
Owned it for a year and a half and I got gatvol

My F30 320d 2013
1.Humming noise and after replacing bearings twice it was still there. It has now mysteriously disappeared.
2. Steering rack was replaced
I have the car for a year now and im loving it. Ill think ill keep this car for a long time but only time will tell.

If you see how many F30's are on the road today it is understandable that they will be seen at the dealer more than the older BMW's It must be my imagenation but I see more F30's on the road than e46 and e90's.

The handling and feel of an F30 is miles apart from the e46 and e90. I suggest you go drive one and own one before you make a statement like that

Your post on your car history only strengthened my case. E46 was solid, E90 was crap, F30 not even a year old and you have replaced wheel bearings twice and a steering rack!...Downward spiral I think so...

Do you know that when a E90 hits the 300 000km mark you cannot reset the service interval anymore? It constantly says "service due".
Im guessing the F30 is the same thing but don't know anyone stupid enough to own one that long out of motorplan, hence the reason everyone trades up just before motorplan expires...

 

[Twinz]

Gizmo why all the anger. No need to call people stupid, blind and naive because we drive a different model car to yours.

Chill out man.

 

[Arbee]

Gizmo why all the anger. No need to call people stupid, blind and naive because we drive a different model car to yours.

Chill out man.

agree... each to their own. If you happy with your E46/E36/E whatever you drive so be it. Its your preference.

Sent from my soot-monstor

 

[FiRi@Rennzport]

I for one have had the pleasure of owning the e46 330i. I loved the car to bits and still fall in love all over again whenever I see it. I do feel the build quality of the e46 is better then e90 which I'm currently driving, the doors were heavier and more firm for one, BUT putting that aside, I enjoy the ride of my e90 over the e46. We still own an individual e46 f/l, and I'm quite often driving the e46 and e90 back to back depending on where they parked, and while i love the e46 shape more and the feel of the cabin build, I prefer the ride of my e90. I've driven the f30 as well, and while all the stuff inside and ride is extremely good, the build quality again does feel inferior comapartively. The door is light like a Korean car, no longer a thud when closing, but again, its better in other departments.

Now while I don't have the knowledge of cars as most of this forum, I do feel that all five fingers are not the same. Some prefer the beautiful old school models, I know 20 years old that have chosen e39s as their cars, and while seems daft to some, it makes sense to others. And then....If you can afford to trade up every 4 or 5 years, then why not. We all working hard for our cash (I hope so), so do with it what makes you feel happy. You wanna buy every bmw from e30 to e46, go for it, you want to drive a f30 or e90 and are willing to take any knocks in 5 years, or even willing to drive them out of motorplan , then choose your fate.

Let's just admit....Every shape and model has its own beauty and draws different persons from different backgrounds to it. That's why we love the brand, no matter how much their customer sucks, WE still LOVE the brand. So let's respect one another choices and decisions guys.

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[Gizmo]

Im not angry or insulting anyone, you misunderstood what I said. I am disappointed at BMW's new marketing scheme that their cars should only last as long as motorplan and make them too expensive to maintain out of motorplan forcing the customer to buy the latest model BMW have on display.
This sort of marketing will pull the company under eventually as these models won't have the enthusiastic following previous models have due to the such high costs involved in fixing them. Aftermarket companies won't make parts for them due to the expense to manufacture electronic components. This is another reason why BMW make the parts so difficult to replicate so you are forced to buy them from the dealer, you have no alternatives. The cost of these parts scares people away from the brand or these models don't get fixed and you are left with a ton of under/non maintained BMWs flooding the 2nd hand car market. Joe Soap buying his first BMW picks up one of these and is immediately put off the brand, BMW gets a bad rep...
I hope I cleared things up a little...

 

[FiRi@Rennzport]

Good points as well gizmo....glad we clearing up nicely

 

[swazi85]

I have to agree with what's being said here, my family has owned the last 3 generations of 750i, I have noticed the lifespan of the car steadily decreasing. Our latest one is a 2012 which just blew it's engine at 60000km. The one before a 2009 self destructed at 90000km. I know the new owner of the 2008 which was naturally aspirated and it's still going strong with 140000km+

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[Baz]

My runflats make humming noises, but nothing that I can tell from the drivetrain itself?

i think that is the cause :thumbs:

Runflats indeed. My car has the same problem. Run your hand over the edge of tyre surface in one direction and it is smooth. Run it in the opposite direction and it is rough. According to guy at BMW it is caused by hard cornering. Can you believe it! And my wife drives the car.... Tyres are the cause of that humming sound.

 

[ChefDJ]

Just buy an E39 and be done with it. Best BMW ever.

 

[Gizmo]

Just buy an E39 and be done with it. Best BMW ever.

Correction, best 5series ever!

 

[Iceman007]

:rollsmile:

Gizmo some guys love skinny girls, some guys love chubby girls , some love tall girls or short girls, other love big boobs etc. Different strokes for different people. As for the wheel bearings it was not the cause of the problem and purely to see if it was the cause :rollsmile:

Believe me if you drive an F30 for a year then you will understand but dont shoot It out of the sky because you read of problems that people experience. Remember not all the problems are on one car.

Ok don't shoot me now. As for the e46 it's era is past now for production I think ended in 2005 and they reaching there troublesome years and discontinued parts after 10years.

Remember back in the days an OX wangon was better than all the cars for it had no electricks that could fail and was ligjt on fuel 0L/km :rollsmile:

As I said I owned all 3 of them and believe me a e46 318i ish had its troubles oil leaks vanos unit valve tronic motor , breather system, and the list goes on and on. E46 was by No margin perfect. Its cars and they will fail eventually.

You are shooting down a car that you have not owned. And time will tell how good they are. There are guys on the forum with high mileage F30 s maybe they can elaborate more

Please dont get upset its just facts lol.

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[Gizmo]

Don't get me started on the n42 318i!!! :yuck: worst e46 ever!
I don't do motor plan because I don't trust the dealer's mechanics. I fix my own cars and have always done it that way. My only car to have motor plan was my touring and even then I still worked on her myself. Because of the exorbitant parts cost and inept BMW mechanics I will NEVER own a E90 or F30 out of motor plan, it would be financial suicide to do so...

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I have driven e90s and f30s and wasn't a fan at all, interior is cheap and nasty. Ride was very harsh and uncomfortable and seeing invoices for parts on these cars will make your eyes water! It's the complete opposite to what I am used to from BMW and it left me feeling disappointed at the brand...BMW have tried to fill too many niches by building too many different series and because of this they have lost focus and quality in the ones they were great at...

 

[operator323]

Gizmo,i own an E90 with 200000km on the clock,and still goin strong.And maintaining it is not that expensive at all,or maybe is because i do all the repairs myself.the only part that shrank my bank balance was the electric waterpump.all i say is take care of your baby and it ll take care of you.
One thing i agree with you is not to trust bmw techs:thumbs:

 

[Gizmo]

You have no idea how many repairs I do on cars coming from the dealers, it's scary!!!

 

[cOlDFuSiOn]

So if we are fed up with the build quality of BMW as of late, what are we moving to?

I took a spin in a Cayman the other day raise: quite liked it but again the gearbox was very harsh on the rapid downshifts when you slam on the brakes for late braking etc.. Kind of the same as what my F30 does when you really hammer the poor box.. But that sound.. o my... lovely car!

My F30 is now on 70k and besides the weird things which trouble me about the car all in all I am happy with it considering the price range of this thing.. Remember everything that used to be at a specific level of quality you now need to pay double for.. So let's see how long this one of mine lasts, I think as a daily it will still serve me well :thumbs:

 

[///Dees]

My runflats make humming noises, but nothing that I can tell from the drivetrain itself?

i think that is the cause :thumbs:

Runflats indeed. My car has the same problem. Run your hand over the edge of tyre surface in one direction and it is smooth. Run it in the opposite direction and it is rough. According to guy at BMW it is caused by hard cornering. Can you believe it! And my wife drives the car.... Tyres are the cause of that humming sound.

I fitted brand new tyres and still get the humming sound. Waiting for a reply from the Regional Technical Manager again:argh:

 

[///Shaun]

You have no idea how many repairs I do on cars coming from the dealers, it's scary!!!

Kept quiet in this entire thread.

Please do not let me add my two cents worth here!

Your attitude is just not right and for your diginity i would suggest you not let persons like me comment on your workmanship.

Take a chill pill, you are not gods gift to BMW

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