The New BMW M5

[ajm]

Straight line performance of the new M5 is underwhelming. I still prefer the look of the F10 to the newer generations. Clearly, the F10 on display was not performing as it should so not a realistic comparison for F10 fans. I'm undecided about the look of the new one - certainly think they could've done better but perhaps it will be more appealing in the flesh

 

[PsyCLown]

Straight line performance of the new M5 is underwhelming. I still prefer the look of the F10 to the newer generations. Clearly, the F10 on display was not performing as it should so not a realistic comparison for F10 fans. I'm undecided about the look of the new one - certainly think they could've done better but perhaps it will be more appealing in the flesh

Realistically, RWD vs xDrive does not bode well for the F10.
I have heard that the DCT's are also a bit iffy when it comes to launch control and the ZF 8 speed is far more consistent which once again does not work in the F10's favour.
Keeping in mind they mentioned this was in cold UK weather so the F10 certainly is not in ideal conditions for a drag race.

Personally, if I had to pick between those 3 I would go for the F90.

 

[ajm]

Realistically, RWD vs xDrive does not bode well for the F10.
I have heard that the DCT's are also a bit iffy when it comes to launch control and the ZF 8 speed is far more consistent which once again does not work in the F10's favour.
Keeping in mind they mentioned this was in cold UK weather so the F10 certainly is not in ideal conditions for a drag race.

Personally, if I had to pick between those 3 I would go for the F90.

I agree that off the line, the F10 can't live with the AWD variants but this one ran a 13.2 sec quarter mile which is several car lengths slower than it should be (even in cold weather). More telling though is the roll race where the F10 performed worse than my experience tells me it should have done. I do prefer the F90 over the latest model, but I haven't yet seen let alone driven the latter

 

[Pisancho]

For me this shows me I’ll stick with the f90, lighter, better interior, 95% of the straight line performance. Handling I have a feeling the f90 would win with the weight advantage, especially the lci with the upgraded suspension.


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This was a tuned M5 comp. Even with the piggy back tune removed they were pretty much matched. Normal M5 F90 gets beaten easily by the G90 as seen on throttle house. Also pretty sure a tuned G90 will beat a tuned F90 comp easily. I am probably in the minority but i will take the G90. Better fuel economy and everyday driving. If I want a fast nimble car I will get an M3, not an M5. Even more nimble track car I would get an M2.

 

[TurboLlew]

Straight line performance of the new M5 is underwhelming. I still prefer the look of the F10 to the newer generations. Clearly, the F10 on display was not performing as it should so not a realistic comparison for F10 fans. I'm undecided about the look of the new one - certainly think they could've done better but perhaps it will be more appealing in the flesh

I also prefer F10 looks, but That F10 performed better than expected in that it didn't want to go sideways into the bush when launching it

This was a tuned M5 comp. Even with the piggy back tune removed they were pretty much matched. Normal M5 F90 gets beaten easily by the G90 as seen on throttle house. Also pretty sure a tuned G90 will beat a tuned F90 comp easily. I am probably in the minority but i will take the G90. Better fuel economy and everyday driving. If I want a fast nimble car I will get an M3, not an M5. Even more nimble track car I would get an M2.

The G90 is fast. The F90 is fast. They both feel totally different. The G90 feels like a Bentley competitor. The F90 feels like it's cosplaying as an M3.

If I didn't already have an F90 the G90 would be more attractive. I certainly like it more than the G8x. Best execution of the current design language (for me). I don't think anyone would be making a bad decision buying a G90. BMW doesn't make bad M5s and this is NOT a bad car. It just happens to come after something that is beloved by almost everyone that owns it. I think BMW also had to differentiate the tiers in some way because the M3s were getting ever-larger and the F90 was already a bit of an anomaly knocking on the door in almost all but race-track conditions in terms of how it feels... especially with some boxes or suspension options added.

Like the F10, it takes time to fully understand whether the jump is necessary or not for some of us and it is more than just the numbers or drag races that you'd never wind up with in the real world. Others will just buy it by default because it's the new M5. The reason for my first comment: My stock F90 made my F10 on it's 700-ish HP map with DP/Akra/Boodmod3/suspension etc look slow 'til very high numbers on the speedo (and even then how much road do you need to catch up after that?). Even with that sort of performance differential, there were other factors that made it hard to justify me moving from the F10 to F90 until I found something that ticked my boxes. For instance, material quality (despite the F90 appearing flashier/nicer inside) and ergonomics are still superior in the F10 IMHO - DCT box is still a better feeling thing for a performance car than the 8AT box... I feel like the M3 and M2 should have this! The F10 also had the right mix of physical and screens in the cluster design... and of course the looks as above. However the performance delta and difference in feel was undeniable... and it was not a question of 'if' but 'when' in terms of upgrading.

My feeling is that you don't get that sense of progress in terms of the performance with the G90 (straight line). The electric motor off boost and in a high gear will bridge the gap and give you the jump, but if you are driving in the right modes this isn't much of a difference again... easy way for reviewers to make it seem so though. On the other hand, it is a clear step backwards in terms of feel (FOR ME... some may see this as a positive?). I've driven a Conti Flying Spur Speed and I am surprised people haven't compared the G90 to this in terms of how it feels. This is also subjective but with the G90 the materials quality and ergonomics feel much worse to me than the prior two gens (or even the E60) and they've made up for it by putting lipstick on a pig with giant screens and the lighting. That being said I might hate the panoramic screen effect but others clearly love it. There is also the loss of things like a shifter (based on how I actually drive... and the fact that I HAVE a car with no shifter... I can safely say that I MUCH prefer to have one...). Anyway the point is that there is no 'undeniable' feature in the G90 that would make an F90 owner switch. The party trick isn't there for me at all.

Perhaps the LCI will have it... but they are also deleting the iDrive knob now and I am not sure whether BMW is actively chasing me away as a customer at this point . I have full touch in other cars and it SUCKS.

Nobody is buying any of these cars for fuel economy or driving in traffic - but that being said, the F90 is not bad on either count. Not enough to make a difference or justify the R1M delta on price. Neither is going to be driven on track or gymkhanas etc, but there is some level of enjoyment you must feel, even driving around town. Watching videos will only take you so far. These have been all over the show because it's also in their interests to farm the clicks... eg: Throttle house used an old tired F90 of unknown history and the Carwow vid had one with a racechip 'disabled' then physically removed. Either way you're not going to buy these based on drag race results. If you had to actually go and drive the cars though, the Carwow video is the one closer to reality like for like. This is just me rocking up in my F90, driving a G90 then driving my F90 back home. Not racetrack stuff (then again BMW hasn't allowed media to report on this LOL).

There are a few guys who own both (or more LOL) and they will tell you there isn't all that much to choose between them.

 

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[NB92325]

Even the damn looks are starting to grow on me

 

[Spanky]

Even the damn looks are starting to grow on me

TBF the G90/99 M5 was the least controversial looking BMW across the new range for me, personally.

 

[Briz]

Seems like the G99 has arrived locally

 

[modocrat]

I like the wheels on the Countryman.

 

[Spanky]

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🎵Big booty bitches🎵

 

[Veedub]

I like the wheels on the Countryman.

LMAO...I also noticed, and was more drawn, to the Countryman in the pic versus the M5.

That guy from Evolve Automotive put it nicely...no matter how much power they can get from the M5, there's no escaping it's weight.

I've seen only 2 sedan's on the road thus far and they look like tanks...a G63 doesn't look as big as the M5.

Becky Evans latest video also covers it....why get the M5 when the M3 is more than sufficient for daily use (also with a choice between sedan or wagon)?

Where can one use the additional power with JMPD all over the place (now doing speed enforcement whilst moving) and with demerits coming. The M5 is definitely not gonna be the choice of car for spirited breakfast runs (unless it's the follow car carrying everyone's drinks). The M3 wagon is close enough with interior space to the M5, will be more agile and have enough power to keep up with most other cars.

F90 M5 probably the last one that has the balance of power, size and weight??

 

[TurboLlew]

LMAO...I also noticed, and was more drawn, to the Countryman in the pic versus the M5.

That guy from Evolve Automotive put it nicely...no matter how much power they can get from the M5, there's no escaping it's weight.

I've seen only 2 sedan's on the road thus far and they look like tanks...a G63 doesn't look as big as the M5.

Becky Evans latest video also covers it....why get the M5 when the M3 is more than sufficient for daily use (also with a choice between sedan or wagon)?

Where can one use the additional power with JMPD all over the place (now doing speed enforcement whilst moving) and with demerits coming. The M5 is definitely not gonna be the choice of car for spirited breakfast runs (unless it's the follow car carrying everyone's drinks). The M3 wagon is close enough with interior space to the M5, will be more agile and have enough power to keep up with most other cars.

F90 M5 probably the last one that has the balance of power, size and weight??

I linked a post somewhere else from Jason Cammisa talking about how specifically the wagon is extremely poorly sprung and handles horrendously. This was disappointing for me because I was considering it as I felt the design suits a wagon a bit better.

The weight (as I mentioned before as well) is impossible to ignore EVEN on the road. It is a very fast car but not a very good car as a replacement for the F90 and certainly doesn't feel like an F90 upgrade.

I do believe my F90 'knows' that I am shopping for cars and every time I have driven one and hopped back into my F90 it has made sure to impress me M4 Cabrio, AMG GTC and a few Porsches & Ferraris - then you hop into the dad car and apart from being fast/immediate it even feels more involving in most cases.

How it feels aside, whenever I have seen G90s out and about I have never felt like I needed to trade my F90 or that I was missing out (which was the case sometimes when I had my F10 and the F90 was new).

Wagon is a novelty as well I guess and I am perhaps trying too to find a reason to like the new M5 in wagon or sedan form. Even with all that trying, I just can't see it.

 

[swazi85]

I saw a gent with a new white G90 m5 last week in Midrand, must say looks wise it’s much better in person.

If it wasn’t an overweight hybrid I’d probably consider one used. However realistically I’d probably get 1.5 for mine in trade. Is it worth also most double the new one by the time I put an exhaust on and carbon.

At that kind of money I’d probably consider changing direction and getting a low mileage 458, as I rarely drive my m5 as it is. So might as well have something exotic. Just concerned at the attention a bright red super car would get.

So in summary keeping my m5 for now. Has just hit 27000, so plenty life left in it. Going to trade the wife’s wrangler in for a x5 instead.


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[modocrat]

I linked a post somewhere else from Jason Cammisa talking about how specifically the wagon is extremely poorly sprung and handles horrendously. This was disappointing for me because I was considering it as I felt the design suits a wagon a bit better.

The weight (as I mentioned before as well) is impossible to ignore EVEN on the road. It is a very fast car but not a very good car as a replacement for the F90 and certainly doesn't feel like an F90 upgrade.

I do believe my F90 'knows' that I am shopping for cars and every time I have driven one and hopped back into my F90 it has made sure to impress me M4 Cabrio, AMG GTC and a few Porsches & Ferraris - then you hop into the dad car and apart from being fast/immediate it even feels more involving in most cases.

How it feels aside, whenever I have seen G90s out and about I have never felt like I needed to trade my F90 or that I was missing out (which was the case sometimes when I had my F10 and the F90 was new).

Wagon is a novelty as well I guess and I am perhaps trying too to find a reason to like the new M5 in wagon or sedan form. Even with all that trying, I just can't see it.

F90 Competition LCi should be next on the cards..

 

[TurboLlew]

F90 Competition LCi should be next on the cards..

Nah it’s basically the same car again and I really don’t like the LCI front. I went to see a few recently as well as an M8 coupe. I will make a thread when the addition is finalised.

 

[FILV]

I was at a parking lot oogling a White one. It looks lovely in white and much better in person. It actually gave me that "wow" reaction as it rolled in.
One thing i always notice is how it looks like an evolution of an E60. The more i see it the more i think its one of the better looking New Gen M cars.

The owner came and we had a nice car convo.
He said he doesn't notice the weight driving a round the city, and for short drives he uses it in EV mode.
When he started it it the ICE engine sounded good.

Interestingly the car came from Factory with Hankook tires. He said he doesn't mind as he plans on replacing them and then probably getting Pilot sports.He said you can chose from 3 sets of tires Pirelli P Zero, Continental SportContact 7 or the Hankooks. I thought it was interesting the Michelin's aren't standard on it.

 

[modocrat]

and for short drives he uses it in EV mode.

M5 and EV mode in the same sentence.. Depressing.

 

[FILV]

M5 and EV mode in the same sentence.. Depressing.

Yeah

 

[Pisancho]

M5 and EV mode in the same sentence.. Depressing.

Yeah but a person that buys an M5 is in his late 30s and over. Practicality is what they are mostly after vs a 20 year old wanting to be making gun shot sounds everywhere he goes.

In traffic you just want to chill, and thats where the EV mode wins. I will soon be looking for a full EV car as a daily driver. ICE car will be for the weekend. You just kill ICE cars driving them in stop and go traffic whereas the EV thrives in such driving.