See that is just nuts... G87 has a 45l tank (small I know) but even with my hooligan driving I get 350km.. More if I drive like a granny 👵 The Raptor has a 80l tank. It's literally a fuel burner one needs to live across an engen fuel station to own it.
Please feel to drop me a whatsapp regarding accessories. The amount of stuff we can provide is sizable, you just looking at the wrong places
Quite true these car prices have become ridiculous, if I look at what my previous F82 cost me. Unfortunately we all thought that these NEW G8x's won't sell then boom everyone one wants one. In addition the prices are becoming easier to swallow on the used market. I have been burnt on a used M before though so I'll unlikely dabble there againYou're speaking as though this is something new. It isn't new. What is new is that M as a whole is now occupying a price bracket clearly above what it used to and across every tier.
IMHO in terms of the following and enthusiast space, it has always been this big if not bigger. Certainly 10 years ago. Making them faster has also been happening since time immemorial. 20 years back it was Old Dutch Racing in KZN, Sav & RGM up here and various others around the country playing with NOS, superchargers and turbos. Chiplogic doing things the old fashioned way and soldering/desoldering actual chips... trying to get the unichip not to lose the adjustments on it... rats nests of wires etc. Tuner wars were not only happening 5 or 10 or 15 years ago. Even in my Dad's days there were 'informal' tuner wars.
It is just that there is more media around what is happening now as opposed to reading a heavily dumbed down article in a magazine or overly technical forum post somewhere. Bear in mind that BMW's total M production numbers are tiny relative to the car buying population. You are also receiving and consuming a lot of curated media fed to you because of your interests and of events with a high concentration of these relatively (in the grand scheme of all cars) rare things. That is the disaster of social media with all aspects of life - it makes extraordinary things seem ordinary and commonplace. Then as a result, everyone feels either it is bigger than it really is or they are worse off than they really are. We in SA are one of the largest markets for M cars globally and we already don't see a huge amount in 'daily life'... until the time comes to meet for an event or club thing.
There have been BMW club sport series, race series, various events and even official recognition of clubs for decades. Love of BMW and M is not something new. There is no 'huge following gained'. It is formalising and publicising what already existed IMHO. New people are entering and because it is new for them, it must be new for everyone. BMWs have always been the best at this kind of thing (occasionally challenged by others) but there is a reason the M3 has been the benchmark since I was old enough to read until now.
That isn't to say (as most who have made the switch have found) that the 911 is not the thing M3/4 owners think they have (regardless of what articles or spec sheets say) but that is another matter entirely. You must also understand though, that as much as this segment is a big segment, if you don't have those constraints (and this is a much smaller market), the value prop largely collapses. There is a big segment of those people and as they age-through life become targets for supercars or 911s or Caymans (Even Z4s). BMW unfortunately has no credible answer to this that makes sense (the M8 is not it). An i8 with a B58/S58 in it would have cleaned house even in the higher tiers. Alas we can dream.
I think where @TBP88 's comments stem from is the fact that these are not cheap cars anymore (not by any metric) and the point is that (I guess in our old minds) if you can spend R1.5M on a car you probably have a R4.5M+ house at least and are earning a decent amount of money hence are unlikely to have the constraints that would make a G87 the car to pick. This was not the case with cars, say, pre 2015 where it was an 'average guy' that would be able to realistically buy an entry level M or used higher tier one. A reasonably new Porsche (obviously not the same model year, but still with driveplan) likewise would have been out of the question for someone shopping around there, whereas today when you're talking R1.5M it absolutely isn't.
On another note, please don't open more accessory or tuning shops in SA. There are more than enough already
Its about 80 litres I think
And what car was the home owner driving, usually when we drop off for service you don't actually see who is driving what unless you pull in the same time or you there early enough to join the queue.This is a consequence of following advice for other markets to some degree. These are also cars designed to accomplish that task and like you say they are really good. Do you do that if you have space for 4/6/8/10 cars?
That being said, I have come to realise that plenty of guys in SA do have this requirement by virtue of the number of these R1.5-2M cars I see parked under car ports at flats/'executive apartments' in JHB.
The last time I was in the BMW shuttle, we went through a section of waterfall to drop someone off. I would 'kindly' describe this as 'executive-squatter-camp meets industrial mini-unit'. Town houses built on top of one another to a visibly poor standard and using corrugated iron finishes (definitely going to stand the test of time
But I digress
No taste or eyesight was involved in the home purchase so it makes sense that the same would apply to the car. Definitely have to have money to be there though. There is no room to do anything except park your 2 (small) cars there and maybe a short commuter car in front of each unit. In this case they would each have to choose something that 'does everything'. I would argue that the G87 is still not that car - it would be the G80/2.
Yes its 80, I once went to look at one, the sales guy bluntly asked me sir do you have 15k a month for a fuel? I just said "no" but I see where you going with this, he says yes sir this is an just a toy not meant to be a daily unless you whip out that executive fuel card.
Yeah my dad has a company fuel card 🤣 🤣. He also has the Range Rover Sport P530 First Edition as his personal vehicle and that has a 90 litre fuel tank and V8. But its not as heavy as the Raptor, gets him about 500 ish, maybe more, even though we only use it on long distance trips.
And what car was the home owner driving, usually when we drop off for service you don't actually see who is driving what unless you pull in the same time or you there early enough to join the queue.This is a consequence of following advice for other markets to some degree. These are also cars designed to accomplish that task and like you say they are really good. Do you do that if you have space for 4/6/8/10 cars?
That being said, I have come to realise that plenty of guys in SA do have this requirement by virtue of the number of these R1.5-2M cars I see parked under car ports at flats/'executive apartments' in JHB.
The last time I was in the BMW shuttle, we went through a section of waterfall to drop someone off. I would 'kindly' describe this as 'executive-squatter-camp meets industrial mini-unit'. Town houses built on top of one another to a visibly poor standard and using corrugated iron finishes (definitely going to stand the test of time
But I digress
No taste or eyesight was involved in the home purchase so it makes sense that the same would apply to the car. Definitely have to have money to be there though. There is no room to do anything except park your 2 (small) cars there and maybe a short commuter car in front of each unit. In this case they would each have to choose something that 'does everything'. I would argue that the G87 is still not that car - it would be the G80/2.
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Lucky him! Still heavy things on petrol if must say, common tell him to go EV already
Those things are climate killers on steroids lol
Raptor is known for bad consumption hope it makes up in performance
He wanted to get the brand new Sport SV, but there's a 6 month to a year waiting list on them. Hence why the dealerships that have stock of them are listing them for close onto 5 bar which to me is absolutely ridiculous for a Range Rover which shares the same engine as the X5/6M Comp. I mean his P530 sport wasn't cheap either, but in comparison, for half the price of the SV it does the job perfectly. Pretty responsive and comfortable I have to say. Its technically an M50i since it has the same N63TU motor. We average about 13 ish or so when we do use it and thats with a heavy foot.
The Urus is an overpriced RSQ8, so no chance.
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13 seconds is massive, then again I never doubted the standard G87. That puts the M2 CS ahead of the current M3 CS as well the brawny M5 CS (F90)! Good on BMW, for me that is a mega fast road car, with iron clad track capabilities. Yes its not just power but also various chassis tweaks etc and I am sure that translates to a harsher ride than the standard G87 M2, the 30kg saving was laughed at and maybe its 30kg and other tweaks that has yielded this outcome, bearing in mind that the 2025 M2 also had a slight power bump and that car did not do its rounds at the ring yet...Seems like 30kg gooes long way, and there must be some techinical upgrades to chassis as well?
13 seconds faster than a stock g87 is a good achievement in terms of track capability.
One 100% agree with you....everyone was on about the 30kg. Internationally and locally.13 seconds is massive, then again I never doubted the standard G87. That puts the M2 CS ahead of the current M3 CS as well the brawny M5 CS (F90)! Good on BMW, for me that is a mega fast road car, with iron clad track capabilities. Yes its not just power but also various chassis tweaks etc and I am sure that translates to a harsher ride than the standard G87 M2, the 30kg saving was laughed at and maybe its 30kg and other tweaks that has yielded this outcome, bearing in mind that the 2025 M2 also had a slight power bump and that car did not do its rounds at the ring yet...
My earlier comment was lets see how it handles the ring, if 13 seconds faster is not a measurement of success than I don't know what is.
In SA terms 13 seconds is P@3s Fast!
Edit* 13 seconds is a lifetime not train lengths* as one of my friends just messaged on WhatsApp
