E9x M3 Owners - Mileage/Bearings

[individj]

This thread is meant to be informative. This is why i replied. This is dangerous.

"terrynew Wrote:
Hey buddy if you looked well after your car there should be no reason to change bearings. I dont know what the hype is about this knock knock kak. If you see most of the people that has replaced bearings at high or low mileage their bearings are not bad at all. Most of the pictures I have seen is just normal wear. I dont know where people get the idea bearings is not suppose to show wear. If bearings did not wear then we would be having disastrous engine failures.

People sending in vids of bearing knocks and if you listen to it then it is just the sound of a normal high performance V8 engine making a noise. You can clearly define when it is a bearing knock. These engines are a work of art and if looked after properly you should enjoy it for a long time. Proper cold start and good maintenance then there should be no problems. I do all that to mine and I ride it to its limits and enjoy every single minute of it. There are owners that have over 200k on the clock that have not changed bearings."


Thanks dude....Thats my concern... I dont know of many personally. But everyone mentions it and thats scary....hence me asking this questions.

I always say if shes well taken care of, then she should be good....But all this talk did make me worry about this... (Knock Knock)


Jettaz felt at ease after Terry's comment.

 

[Ga-3M]

It's a gamble, that's what it is! In this instance, if I were in OP's shoes, I'd rather be safe, and get it done! As has been said, outlay R20k now to save yourself from maybe having to outlay R200k later. Another way to look at it is a form of insurance. Nobody will say your car is going to be stolen, but there is the chance that it may, so rather pay the insurance and have peace of mind!

 

[Quad Pipe]

Here are some more "Scare tactics"

Just by googling BMW S65:
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=s...&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=bmw+s65
First page is 3 results of the bearing issues, still think it's a hoax?

Now lets look at results from m3board:
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=s...22&ie=UTF-8#q=bmw+s65+rod+site:www.m3post.com
1810 results, still think it's a hoax?

Here is a link to a wiki regarding testing that happened to try and figure out why these engines prematurely die due to bearings, Extremely in depth:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892838
Think that guy wasted hundreds of hours because of lies?

Here is one of hundreds of threads dedicated to people that either lost the engines or replaced the bearings prematurely.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=880264

If at this point you still feel there is no need for you to replace the bearings ASAP, then the best for you to do is sell the car and get a honda.

Wish you all the luck and truly hope you do not damage your engine.
PS: All those links took me about 1min to find, and have studied them numerous times in the past before doing my bearings.

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So my '08 is sitting on 122k km's and I have no issues.

I sometimes wonder how much of this is scaremongering...?

You are totally right, your quad pipe german spec 122K kms M3 has nothing to worry about. It probably received the Hercules bearing upgrade in factory.

PS: These are no rumors, these are facts. Do yourself a favor. Get an oil sample of your current oil and take it to wearcheck. http://www.wearcheck.co.za/

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Why the disrespect man?

 

[Pho3niX90]

Here are some more "Scare tactics"

Just by googling BMW S65:
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=s...&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=bmw+s65
First page is 3 results of the bearing issues, still think it's a hoax?

Now lets look at results from m3board:
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=s...22&ie=UTF-8#q=bmw+s65+rod+site:www.m3post.com
1810 results, still think it's a hoax?

Here is a link to a wiki regarding testing that happened to try and figure out why these engines prematurely die due to bearings, Extremely in depth:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892838
Think that guy wasted hundreds of hours because of lies?

Here is one of hundreds of threads dedicated to people that either lost the engines or replaced the bearings prematurely.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=880264

If at this point you still feel there is no need for you to replace the bearings ASAP, then the best for you to do is sell the car and get a honda.

Wish you all the luck and truly hope you do not damage your engine.
PS: All those links took me about 1min to find, and have studied them numerous times in the past before doing my bearings.

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So my '08 is sitting on 122k km's and I have no issues.

I sometimes wonder how much of this is scaremongering...?

You are totally right, your quad pipe german spec 122K kms M3 has nothing to worry about. It probably received the Hercules bearing upgrade in factory.

PS: These are no rumors, these are facts. Do yourself a favor. Get an oil sample of your current oil and take it to wearcheck. http://www.wearcheck.co.za/

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Why the disrespect man?

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I might have came off a bit rude towards you specifically. But it does frustrate me when there are issues on these cars, but members give guys false hopes. So by focusing my frustration solely on you was uncalled for, so I apologise.

To the OP. I would strongly suggest going through all those links I posted and make an informed decision on your way forward.

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[S_N]

Hi,
Where would be the best place to have the bearings replaced ?

 

[AndreasSA]

You know everybody in Germany, seems to be your go to line. Oh and everything ever possible on any BMW ever has been done in Germany also

Anyway, to the owners of the cars that have had issues, personally, I think you're being a little hard on the OP as well as the issues regarding bearings, while we know it is an issue, no one can for sure(possibly aside from BMW) say that X% of motors have run bearings and now it's something ALL owners should worry about.

Quite funny that you try to judge my knowledge....:hammerhead:

Ever heard of the M owners club in Germany? Or the m-forum? No? Than you should NOT give such stupid comments!

P.S.: Do you know Tunetech? They have in average three S65 engines per week that ran bearings....

 

[922-ZN]

Quite funny that you try to judge my knowledge....:hammerhead:

Ever heard of the M owners club in Germany? Or the m-forum? No? Than you should NOT give such stupid comments!

P.S.: Do you know Tunetech? They have in average three S65 engines per week that ran bearings....

I am sorry but few of your comments on this very forum are utter bullsh!t based on your "Germany experiences", so yes I do think I can be opinionated on your "knowledge". By the way, your club and forum that side don't know it ALL so stop strutting around here like your word is law based on your "german" experiences

Also, do you know Bob? Andy? John? Jack? Jill? The Jolly green giant? They all have S65s over 200 000km with no bearing change. My point is that the bearings are not the sole reason for failure and if the other issues are treated also, bearings will not be a concern. You can replace bearings today and next week have those brand new bearings seize or spin due to the other factors mentioned above, so don't think a bearing change will solve all your problems, once again this is a gamble.

That's it from me... Peace out

 

[ZMC]

You know everybody in Germany, seems to be your go to line. Oh and everything ever possible on any BMW ever has been done in Germany also

Anyway, to the owners of the cars that have had issues, personally, I think you're being a little hard on the OP as well as the issues regarding bearings, while we know it is an issue, no one can for sure(possibly aside from BMW) say that X% of motors have run bearings and now it's something ALL owners should worry about.

Quite funny that you try to judge my knowledge....:hammerhead:

Ever heard of the M owners club in Germany? Or the m-forum? No? Than you should NOT give such stupid comments!

P.S.: Do you know Tunetech? They have in average three S65 engines per week that ran bearings....

Wowzers, so averaging 156 cars per years? Or let's say 150 car per year, excluding holidays. Yikes!

 

[444YYY]

Ok, so out of all of this, why is the price to replace the bearing such a secret?? If Tunetech is doing 3 a week, can someone post a cost breakdown here?

It will be helpful to all on this forum, owners and potential owners....

 

[AndreasSA]

You guys are so clever....

Lets see when your V8 is xxxx...:clapper:

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Ok, so out of all of this, why is the price to replace the bearing such a secret?? If Tunetech is doing 3 a week, can someone post a cost breakdown here?

It will be helpful to all on this forum, owners and potential owners....

That is what I saw during the last months there. Price is depending on the damage, most of the times the crank is also damaged what makes it much more expensive...ask them for a quote!

 

[922-ZN]

Ok, so out of all of this, why is the price to replace the bearing such a secret?? If Tunetech is doing 3 a week, can someone post a cost breakdown here?

It will be helpful to all on this forum, owners and potential owners....

I think it was Pho3niX90@OBDWorx that got a quote in the region of R25k all in from Tunetech

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You guys are so clever....

Lets see when your V8 is xxxx...:clapper:

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Don't hold your breath on that one:thumbs:

 

[individj]

there are tonssss out there

 

[444YYY]

Ah ok, so R25k for just the bearings, and no damage to the crank.... Hmmmm

 

[individj]

Thats doing the bearings before they go.

 

[ZMC]

You guys are so clever....

Lets see when your V8 is xxxx...:clapper:

Seriously? What is wrong with you?

 

[Fordkoppie]

My point is that the bearings are not the sole reason for failure and if the other issues are treated also, bearings will not be a concern. You can replace bearings today and next week have those brand new bearings seize or spin due to the other factors mentioned above

Would you mind elaborating on these "other issues" and how, if they are treated, will prevent bearing failure?

 

[individj]

it would be amazing if the guys could do an oil analysis & see what the copper reading is

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My point is that the bearings are not the sole reason for failure and if the other issues are treated also, bearings will not be a concern. You can replace bearings today and next week have those brand new bearings seize or spin due to the other factors mentioned above

Would you mind elaborating on these "other issues" and how, if they are treated, will prevent bearing failure?

So 922-ZN ...is your official position on this that bearings are an issue but there are other issues as well?

 

[922-ZN]

it would be amazing if the guys could do an oil analysis & see what the copper reading is

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My point is that the bearings are not the sole reason for failure and if the other issues are treated also, bearings will not be a concern. You can replace bearings today and next week have those brand new bearings seize or spin due to the other factors mentioned above

Would you mind elaborating on these "other issues" and how, if they are treated, will prevent bearing failure?

So 922-ZN ...is your official position on this that bearings are an issue but there are other issues as well?

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Yes

 

[Xack]

My point is that the bearings are not the sole reason for failure and if the other issues are treated also, bearings will not be a concern. You can replace bearings today and next week have those brand new bearings seize or spin due to the other factors mentioned above

Would you mind elaborating on these "other issues" and how, if they are treated, will prevent bearing failure?

Yes please elaborate on these other issues...If you fitted new bearings this week only to have it spun during the next , it would be safe to assume that the surely "other factors" would be that they probably weren't fitted properly to begin with?

 

[922-ZN]

My point is that the bearings are not the sole reason for failure and if the other issues are treated also, bearings will not be a concern. You can replace bearings today and next week have those brand new bearings seize or spin due to the other factors mentioned above

Would you mind elaborating on these "other issues" and how, if they are treated, will prevent bearing failure?

Yes I would mind, alot of it is theoretical and I wouldn't like to post something I am not 100% on myself. For MY OWN use I am doing some research on minimising the bearing wear and its failure based on cases available on the net.