E9x M3 Owners - Mileage/Bearings

[individj]

Terry you have a very nice car & you are now in the denial phase..i hope that you don't run bearings ( i wouldn't wish it on anyone) but you are being ignorant with regards to the issue.
What do you think would happen if BMW made a statement..sorry guys..theres an issue..but as you were.
if you showed me 10 cars & out of that 10..2 ran bearings with proper maintenance etc. that would be an issue for me.
Anyways its your choice. I'm out.
ps. google it & see whats happening around the globe.:sorry:

 

[Pho3niX90]

Some of these posts really suprise me. If you want to be ignorant then go ahead and drive the car til it explodes. But do not say you weren't warned.

This is a common issue especially on the s65/s85. If it wasn't then you wouldn't have been asking this question in the first place. Let me give you my experience.

I maintained my M6 meticulously, oil changes every 8 to 10K kms. No revs passing 4000rpms during the weekdays and when I did drive her hard on the occasion I would make sure everything is up to temps at 100dec c. My car drove 90% of its life on easy KMs on the highway cruising. However. On 93K kms I opened her up to do bearings in any case. I in all honesty expected the bearings to be spotless, what I found was 9 bearings deep into the copper, and 1 had actually spun. My car had no issues, no noises and no performance degredation. If I continued another 10K kms it would have exploded.

Saying that there are s65s that has lasted 200Kkms. But probably 70% of them do not last past 150K, and probably 40% do not last 100K kms. So take this info and do what you want with it, but be warned that this is a real issue that BMW refuses to acknowledge.

No one here has anything to gain with trying to help you to replace the bearings, but you have an engine to lose if you don't.

Take advice from people that own these cars and that has actually done this as preventative maintenace and dodged a bullet, then some know it alls

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[Quad Pipe]

So my '08 is sitting on 122k km's and I have no issues.

I sometimes wonder how much of this is scaremongering...?

 

[individj]

you've obviously read the thread thoroughly. its scaremongering...youre right...enjoy your car

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and welcome to the forum...im sure you will contribute greatly to it.

 

[S65B44]

So my '08 is sitting on 122k km's and I have no issues.

I sometimes wonder how much of this is scaremongering...?

Quad pipe. No one wants to scare anyone into believing stuff. My motor was purring like a kitten, no signs of anything. All it took was a quick (chilled) drive to a friend, and once the visit was over and I restarted the car, knock-knock showed its evil face.

Upon stripping, my bearings where even chipping the copper layer off.
I can almost guarantee that if you had to ever check you bearings, they would have wear signs that should never be there, or are unacceptable for today's standards.

I wish I had done preventative maintenance instead of thinking to myself that the engine sounds good and healthy. Instead im stuck with a bill of over 200k.

 

[Xack]

Yep these bearings they do tend to go faster on the V8/V10 motors than the S54 it seems to me.:cartel:

 

[AndreasSA]

Terry you are really funny....only because BMW never issued a statement regarding problems with the bearings...there are no problems?

I know HUNDREDS of people in Germany wich run bearings! All 6, 8 and 10 cylinder high reving M engines!

 

[Peter@AEW]

So my '08 is sitting on 122k km's and I have no issues.

I sometimes wonder how much of this is scaremongering...?

Invest R20k now or R200 later...scaremongering aside common sense dictates that a very high revving motor with narrow bearings will have issues sooner or later.

Friend of a friend lost his 80k s54 motor a few weekends ago...well maintained had a conrod exit the block.

I am told that he had been repeatedly advised to look at the bearings.

 

[Xack]

So my '08 is sitting on 122k km's and I have no issues.

I sometimes wonder how much of this is scaremongering...?

Invest R20k now or R200 later...scaremongering aside common sense dictates that a very high revving motor with narrow bearings will have issues sooner or later.

Friend of a friend lost his 80k s54 motor a few weekends ago...well maintained had a conrod exit the block.

I am told that he had been repeatedly advised to look at the bearings.

Like somebody else I know :tiptoe:

 

[individj]

ja but you're the Austin Powers of //M owners :roflol::roflol::roflol:

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"i too...like to live dangerously"

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didn't want to say anything but we actually have a Whatsapp group where we're running bets on what mileage she'll go boom :sorry::biglol:

 

[Xack]

ja but you're the Austin Powers of //M owners :roflol::roflol::roflol:

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"i too...like to live dangerously"

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didn't want to say anything but we actually have a Whatsapp group where we're running bets on what mileage she'll go boom :sorry::biglol:

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:roflol::roflol::roflol:....my M3 was built by Chuck Norris :cartel:

 

[Peter@AEW]

Yours will go in the Bearings Hall of Fame Earl.

 

[Xack]

Yours will go in the Bearings Hall of Fame Earl.

Lol...I say a silent prayer every morning before start-up, that's the new warmup procedure for high miler //M cars:=):

This morning a Gti driver couldn't believe how easy it was to overtake me, since I stopped taking her pass 4000rpm (voluntary rev limiter employed)for the last few months, bars the race with the 63

 

[Pho3niX90]

Here are some more "Scare tactics"

Just by googling BMW S65:
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=s...&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=bmw+s65
First page is 3 results of the bearing issues, still think it's a hoax?

Now lets look at results from m3board:
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=s...22&ie=UTF-8#q=bmw+s65+rod+site:www.m3post.com
1810 results, still think it's a hoax?

Here is a link to a wiki regarding testing that happened to try and figure out why these engines prematurely die due to bearings, Extremely in depth:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892838
Think that guy wasted hundreds of hours because of lies?

Here is one of hundreds of threads dedicated to people that either lost the engines or replaced the bearings prematurely.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=880264

If at this point you still feel there is no need for you to replace the bearings ASAP, then the best for you to do is sell the car and get a honda.

Wish you all the luck and truly hope you do not damage your engine.
PS: All those links took me about 1min to find, and have studied them numerous times in the past before doing my bearings.

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So my '08 is sitting on 122k km's and I have no issues.

I sometimes wonder how much of this is scaremongering...?

You are totally right, your quad pipe german spec 122K kms M3 has nothing to worry about. It probably received the Hercules bearing upgrade in factory.

PS: These are no rumors, these are facts. Do yourself a favor. Get an oil sample of your current oil and take it to wearcheck. http://www.wearcheck.co.za/

 

[922-ZN]

Terry you are really funny....only because BMW never issued a statement regarding problems with the bearings...there are no problems?

I know HUNDREDS of people in Germany wich run bearings! All 6, 8 and 10 cylinder high reving M engines!

You know everybody in Germany, seems to be your go to line. Oh and everything ever possible on any BMW ever has been done in Germany also

Anyway, to the owners of the cars that have had issues, personally, I think you're being a little hard on the OP as well as the issues regarding bearings, while we know it is an issue, no one can for sure(possibly aside from BMW) say that X% of motors have run bearings and now it's something ALL owners should worry about.

if your car had a bearing knock and it was still under motorplan.:=):

Are you for real? Are you saying BMW SA has changed bearings on a failed S65???

Maybe Terry has addressed the concerns on these motors and is now confident in that motor, alternatively maybe he is ignorant... Point is YOU(individj) have no basis to point a finger at him or to discredit what he has said, where's your S65?

 

[kilotango]

if i owned a //M with a S engine in it which didnt have the bearings done.. i dont know how i'd be able to look at the car after reading this thread. some really scary stuff!

 

[individj]

Terry you are really funny....only because BMW never issued a statement regarding problems with the bearings...there are no problems?

I know HUNDREDS of people in Germany wich run bearings! All 6, 8 and 10 cylinder high reving M engines!

You know everybody in Germany, seems to be your go to line. Oh and everything ever possible on any BMW ever has been done in Germany also

Anyway, to the owners of the cars that have had issues, personally, I think you're being a little hard on the OP as well as the issues regarding bearings, while we know it is an issue, no one can for sure(possibly aside from BMW) say that X% of motors have run bearings and now it's something ALL owners should worry about.

if your car had a bearing knock and it was still under motorplan.:=):

Are you for real? Are you saying BMW SA has changed bearings on a failed S65???

Maybe Terry has addressed the concerns on these motors and is now confident in that motor, alternatively maybe he is ignorant... Point is YOU(individj) have no basis to point a finger at him or to discredit what he has said, where's your S65?

what do you think would happen if your car ran a bearing under motorplan mate? You are right..i don't have a S65 therefore i have no basis for my comments. Only people with said engine may respond as you cannot possibly know anything about the engine or car unless you own 1.
Makes sense :=):

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oh & i think you skipped this part of the thread.

Here are some more "Scare tactics"

Just by googling BMW S65:
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=s65+ro...#q=bmw+s65
First page is 3 results of the bearing issues, still think it's a hoax?

Now lets look at results from m3board:
https://www.google.co.za/search?q=s65+ro...m3post.com
1810 results, still think it's a hoax?

Here is a link to a wiki regarding testing that happened to try and figure out why these engines prematurely die due to bearings, Extremely in depth:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892838
Think that guy wasted hundreds of hours because of lies?

Here is one of hundreds of threads dedicated to people that either lost the engines or replaced the bearings prematurely.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=880264

If at this point you still feel there is no need for you to replace the bearings ASAP, then the best for you to do is sell the car and get a honda.

Wish you all the luck and truly hope you do not damage your engine.
PS: All those links took me about 1min to find, and have studied them numerous times in the past before doing my bearings.

 

[922-ZN]

what do you think would happen if your car ran a bearing under motorplan mate? You are right..i don't have a S65 therefore i have no basis for my comments. Only people with said engine may respond as you cannot possibly know anything about the engine or car unless you own 1.
Makes sense :=):

Your engine gets changed, your bearings aren't touched.

As for your second statement, all I am saying is that you are coming across as a know-it-all especially in your responses to Terry, a very ill informed know-it-all at that. My statement has been posted in my previous reply regarding the bearing issues, prove me wrong. Even if 70/100 fail, that doesn't make it "ALL". Maybe Terry and the OP are one of the lucky few who will see 200k kms on their motors, without opening those motors NO ONE can say for sure

 

[individj]

im not arguing that your engine gets changed.

They may very well get 300k KM..i never argued that either. I was saying..do you want to take that gamble..does it make sense out of motorplan?

Terry is saying that their isn't an issue...that BMW would of said something...well we can agree to disagree but I'm a logical person....theres an issue.

 

[Ga-3M]

Some of you gents are missing the point here. Nobody is saying that it's definitely going to happen to your S54/S65/S85, but the evidence is there that there is the chance that your motor may run bearings.

So, what do you do? Drive your car and hope it's one of the motors that runs to 200k km without bearing issues? Or, you have your bearings done sooner rather than later and at least have peace of mind that it has been done.

If you do decide to risk it and drive your car without checking or having your bearings done, that's your choice, and I hope that your car runs perfectly until then, but if your bearings do go, and you have read this thread, and you end up with a R150-R200k repair bill, you have nobody to blame but yourself.