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Billybob.
Alex never said 15°. He said 8mm. Big difference.
Show us where Alex or Chris wrote / said 15°.
Alex never said 15°. He said 8mm. Big difference.
Show us where Alex or Chris wrote / said 15°.
Crash has asked me to close the thread as he does not feel there will be any resolution reached
I am very sad this project ended here and we will probably never know what went wrong
Crash I wish you all the best with whatever direction you choose for the car the options you told me on the phone all sound exciting and I hope to see this car come back better than ever
I am very sad this project ended here and we will probably never know what went wrong
Crash I wish you all the best with whatever direction you choose for the car the options you told me on the phone all sound exciting and I hope to see this car come back better than ever
because of the large allegations leveled at Peter he is not happy to leave it at this and feels he should be given the opportunity to address this
as far as I am concerned although this thread is in my section but it belongs to both Chris and Peter... Chris has said he no longer wants to engage in this thread and I respect that he does not have to post here if he does not wish to however I feel this thread cannot be locked until both are happy to do so
as far as I am concerned although this thread is in my section but it belongs to both Chris and Peter... Chris has said he no longer wants to engage in this thread and I respect that he does not have to post here if he does not wish to however I feel this thread cannot be locked until both are happy to do so
I had a long discussion with Sean post his chat with Christopher and we decided that we would leave the thread open as it serves a number of purposes one of which is the dissemination of information.
I am equally not fond of censorship as it stifles debate.
In addition I was advised by Sean that during his chat with Christopher today he was advised that I am not to see the engine as I have an agenda.
Although an unreasonable statement in itself I do agree that I have an agenda and the agenda is to establish the full extent of the damage as well as the cause.
The engine has already been opened and I was not afforded the opportunity to be present yet I am expected to accept all manner of accusations.
That is grossly unreasonable.
So I shall continue here without the benefit of having inspected the engine to understand what happened.
I trust that Christopher shall be forthright with his answers now that I have proven beyond reasonable doubt that his man lies as a matter of course.
To recap, the engine in my estimation was damaged due to the fact that it did not have a tune file on it and was running off a base file that caused rich and lean conditions as evidenced by the cracked liners.
Equally the cam timing has nothing to do with the tune file as the car was timed correctly in December whilst the car was still on the base file and it was still on the base file when the compression recorded low in February and it was still on the base file when I inquired in March and it was still on the base file when it was being dragged in April.
Watch this space as I still need Bahn stormer to explain how he was able to determine that the cam timing was out... if he does not I shall post the procedure and the evidence as originally promised with Nikhil acting as a neutral observer.
This is not a conspiracy it is fact as stated by your man.
Please feel free to call me a liar.
I am equally not fond of censorship as it stifles debate.
In addition I was advised by Sean that during his chat with Christopher today he was advised that I am not to see the engine as I have an agenda.
Although an unreasonable statement in itself I do agree that I have an agenda and the agenda is to establish the full extent of the damage as well as the cause.
The engine has already been opened and I was not afforded the opportunity to be present yet I am expected to accept all manner of accusations.
That is grossly unreasonable.
So I shall continue here without the benefit of having inspected the engine to understand what happened.
I trust that Christopher shall be forthright with his answers now that I have proven beyond reasonable doubt that his man lies as a matter of course.
To recap, the engine in my estimation was damaged due to the fact that it did not have a tune file on it and was running off a base file that caused rich and lean conditions as evidenced by the cracked liners.
Equally the cam timing has nothing to do with the tune file as the car was timed correctly in December whilst the car was still on the base file and it was still on the base file when the compression recorded low in February and it was still on the base file when I inquired in March and it was still on the base file when it was being dragged in April.
Watch this space as I still need Bahn stormer to explain how he was able to determine that the cam timing was out... if he does not I shall post the procedure and the evidence as originally promised with Nikhil acting as a neutral observer.
Christopher please pay attention: You told me 15 degrees Alex twice told me 15 degrees and there are a fair number of people who have quoted 15 degrees off forum.///SilverWolff said:
This is not a conspiracy it is fact as stated by your man.
Please feel free to call me a liar.
I'm happy to see its has been reopened. For the sake of the forum, and off course to both the parties, it best that every single claim is either rubbished or proven. The reason I say this, is that we are a community, we meet and greet each other often, and we go by recommendations of other fanatics as to who gives good service and who to stay away from.
Chris and Peter are long standing members of this community with solid inputs and get contributions, be it through their knowledge of cars, their thoughts on current affairs, or their contributions towards the entertainment industry. I'm sure all will agree, watching the videos of crashes through the years, especially the rebuild of the engine kept a lot guys busy, and the knowledge and pedantic nature of Peter when building taught a lot of us as well.
Keeping that in mind, we need to know who, where and why things went pear shaped. It can't just be closed up and swept under the carpet. If tomorrow I decide to give my car to Peter to maintain, I need to do so with a clean heart and conscience, and not be thinking that there's a possibility he doesn't know what his doing.
I say let the thread run it course, let the challenges be laid out and let's the claims be rubbished or proven, not so that the community knows who is right and who is wrong, but more importantly that a man integrity and honour can either be kept, or thrown in the dirt as some would have it. In doing so, the guy that decides to use Peter or Alex for his next round of servicing does so well informed.
Fair play...that what I'm routing for...
Chris and Peter are long standing members of this community with solid inputs and get contributions, be it through their knowledge of cars, their thoughts on current affairs, or their contributions towards the entertainment industry. I'm sure all will agree, watching the videos of crashes through the years, especially the rebuild of the engine kept a lot guys busy, and the knowledge and pedantic nature of Peter when building taught a lot of us as well.
Keeping that in mind, we need to know who, where and why things went pear shaped. It can't just be closed up and swept under the carpet. If tomorrow I decide to give my car to Peter to maintain, I need to do so with a clean heart and conscience, and not be thinking that there's a possibility he doesn't know what his doing.
I say let the thread run it course, let the challenges be laid out and let's the claims be rubbished or proven, not so that the community knows who is right and who is wrong, but more importantly that a man integrity and honour can either be kept, or thrown in the dirt as some would have it. In doing so, the guy that decides to use Peter or Alex for his next round of servicing does so well informed.
Fair play...that what I'm routing for...
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Peter has for a long long time had the reputation for being a stickler for precision and for pedantic workmanship.
I would easily trust, if I had the money, for Peter to look after my engine, so long as it is to factory or better than factory standards
I have however, not just on these forums, but in real life, seen way to many of my friends engines go up in smoke, once tampering with it beyond manufacturers specifications happens, in an attempt to outdo what the manufacturer had designed a particular reliable engine to do in the first place.
A standard "Brakpan" statement was always along the lines of : "My enjine is so warm gemaak, as hy in die son staan, start hy sommer van selfs", followed by a phone call a few weeks later with the vehicle stuck on the side of the road, didn't surprise me then.
So in the nature, of experimenting beyond the standard specifications of power output and reliability, I am never surprised when I hear that a motor has given the ghost, it is part of the risk that is taken I suppose.
sorry for all the pain, inconvenience, and expenses incurred by all, it is an interesting read though.
I would easily trust, if I had the money, for Peter to look after my engine, so long as it is to factory or better than factory standards
I have however, not just on these forums, but in real life, seen way to many of my friends engines go up in smoke, once tampering with it beyond manufacturers specifications happens, in an attempt to outdo what the manufacturer had designed a particular reliable engine to do in the first place.
A standard "Brakpan" statement was always along the lines of : "My enjine is so warm gemaak, as hy in die son staan, start hy sommer van selfs", followed by a phone call a few weeks later with the vehicle stuck on the side of the road, didn't surprise me then.
So in the nature, of experimenting beyond the standard specifications of power output and reliability, I am never surprised when I hear that a motor has given the ghost, it is part of the risk that is taken I suppose.
sorry for all the pain, inconvenience, and expenses incurred by all, it is an interesting read though.
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Alright Peter, we shall do this your way.
Let me start off by saying that I spoke with Moranor last week, and he can vouch for me, that I was happy to let Peter see the engine... My words to him were that it is only fair and I was happy to let him and the new engine builder discuss what went wrong.
After seeing the engine, and taking the weekend off to think about my options, I was calm and peaceful, ready to just move on. I had chosen to forget this circus and focus my time and energy on positive things. I chose to adopt a sanguine outlook here on out. Life is short guys. Why waste it on a car thread arguing with an old stubborn man who never accepts that he is wrong, I thought. I am young. I am successful, I am wealthy. I can fix this car easily. Money isn't the issue here. So what is? Trying to teach an old fart humility? Really? Is that was I was wasting my time doing on this thread. No. I decided that this is a life lesson. This car came to me and taught me humility. To be humble. I was flamboyant and narcissistic when I first got this car over three years ago. From the get go she has taught me so much about myself, my old showboating ways and how it is beneath ones self to be self obsessed. Also, might I add, that I accepted that breaking engines is part of the parcel when you modify cars. If you can't deal with it, you shouldn't be in the kitchen. I thought to myself, I can walk away from this having learnt a lot. And my next project will fair better. Although I do admit, that I had a certain sense of compunction for how this thread turned out, and in time I guess I might have been inclined to have reached out to Peter to make amends, but now I'm wary and bellicose.
Why you might ask? Because Peter, after hearing what you told Burgy over the phone the other day, how you were going to gun for me, that you were going to make me look like an idiot on the forum. That you would do everything in your power to take me down. I decided that you don't deserve to be near my engine. This is what I meant by you have an agenda. You're not here to play fair or see what has gone wrong with the car. Moranor clearly is, and he has been supportive. But not you. No. You sir, are a snake, a man without honour. You simply think too highly of yourself, and this caused you to make mistakes. Mistakes that may very well have destroyed my car. Mistakes that you keep trying to disprove. You now openly call Alex a liar. You say he said 15 degrees, yet I see nowhere where he or I said 15 degrees. This 15 degree story seems to be taking the main focus here, when actually, it is not about how many degrees, but that the cams were indeed timed incorrectly. You now challenge Alex to explain to you how he discovered that the cams were wrong, you turn the focus around. This is a smart tactic, but the onus is on you to prove to us that you had indeed timed the car correctly, not the other way around. I have posted a video, where you can clearly see, when the cams were set top dead centre, that the cam alignment tool did not touch the bridge of the cylinder head. The video does not lie. I have no reason to falsify the evidence. Let us also not forget to mention, the car miraculously passed a vanos test the day after having the cams being seen to by Alex. A test, I might add, that the car had failed a few days prior to the timing being seen to. The vanos and o2 errors also vanished. Yet, you said it was impossible to be a mechanical timing issue, but, you also admitted to Moranor that you installed my Cams hot. Yes, Moranor told me that you knew my cams were hot. You knew they were installed not to factory spec. So if you knew they were not to factory spec, and that they were out, why are you trying so hard to disprove Alex? He has no reason to lie. He didn't charge me a cent to fix my car. He just helped me. So, I pose this question to you Peter. Why when I kept getting VANOS errors and cam sensor errors did you make me buy a new VANOS unit. Please explain to me why you thought that was the first option? And please do not get your son to interdict me with a million sidewinding questions that try to elude to what is really at at the heart of this. Your garrulous son can try disabuse the forum of your guilt all he wants, but you sir, must simply answer the question posed to you. Do not answer with questions back as you so often do. Riddle me this batman, why did you let me drive with HOT cams for 10 months, but never thought to maybe tell me they may be the reason why I was getting Vanos errors? I'll tell you why. You simply didn't have the experience to know any better. You didn't have the correct tool at the time, but instead, you had a home made tool. You should know that the BMW cam tool is inimitable. You can't just guess how it works and make your own. So, instead of admitting to the use of an incorrect tool, you hoped that maybe a new Vanos unit would fix it. Guess what, it didn't. But no real surprise there right. You didn't know what you were dealing with.
It is as simple as that.
Now getting back to what you told Burgy over the phone. Was this some kind of scare tactic? What was your reasons? Please indulge us? You can say Burgy is being fallacious in his recalling of your conversation with him. And that is fine, that seems to be your go to card anyway. Your fan boys on here will believe you as well. That is fine too. The important bit here is, that I believe Burgy. He was genuinely concerned over the phone when I spoke with him. He would not lie to me about what you said, and I know it is the truth because Peter, I know you better than anyone else here. I know who you really are. So if you'd like to open up the dirty laundry for all to see, then be my guest. But know that I have had some interesting conversations with a little bee. Very interesting indeed. So, I offer you to take your best shot. TAKE ME DOWN Peter.. as you explained in your own words over the phone to Burgy. Just be aware, my retaliation will leave you wishing you left this thread locked.
I told Moranor today, I actually don't care whether the car is proven to be broken because of the sleeves, the tune file, bad assembly of the engine, the overheating or because I have rotten luck. I don't care because what I am most annoyed with, is your lack of ability to admit when you are wrong. How many times did I prove you were wrong Peter? How many solutions did I come up with to fix my car, but you would shoot them down and tell me I was wrong. Which is ok, but in the end, I was actually right... and you were left looking stumped.
How many times Peter, did I say, the power steering pump pulley wheel is skew.
Yet you told me my eyes were skew, that I didn't know what I was looking at. Who the hell do you think you are? How can you speak to me, not just a paying customer, but a friend like that? That blew my mind? That you could say something so cruel. I am easy to offend when I deal with people I trust. So, clearly the relationship between us was not mutual. I looked up to you, yet you looked down on me.
In the end Peter, I proved you wrong. I fixed my car myself with the help of Nikhil. But the damage was already done. The car had already overheated twice, once when the belt came off originally. The second time when I was testing the new belt tensioner, which apart from swapping for a smaller serpentine belt, seemed like the only other solution, as you would not admit to to the power steering pump being skew. So, after installing the new mechanical belt tensioner myself one Saturday afternoon, I had to take the car around the block to see if it fixed the issue. I was less than 500m from my house when the belt came off. I told you I parked the car right away after the cluster light up like a christmas tree. Yet the cars temperature kept climbing. You told me not to worry, that it wasn't in the red for long enough to cause any damage. Do you remember this? I sat for half an hour waiting for the car to cool down before trying to get her home. But, you seem to think I just drove the car happily without concern. You told Burgy that I am at fault for overheating the car because I drove it around? Yet you are the one that told me to install a new tensioner and to test and see if the belt comes off. We tried everything short of changing the water pump pulley and crank pulley before I just decided to get Nikhil to help me straighten the power steering pump ourselves. But you still had the guts to blame it on the vibration from he supercharger, not your handiwork. You are delusional. Here are some pictures from your skew pulley install.
The first picture is the actual bolt and how it was sitting on the power steering pump. Nikhail can confirm this is how we found it installed on the car.
The second photo is the straight edge that was used to show the direction that the power steering pulley was facing. Note, the straight edge should rather line up with the supercharger pulley up top, instead the straight edge runs at an angle past the pulley.
The third photo shows how the straight edge is aligned with the supercharger pulley once the power steering pump was correctly installed by Nikhil. These photos were sent to Peter, but he blamed it on the new pump being faulty. Not his workmanship.
Lastly, whilst we are looking at photos, here is the pump disc I mentioned earlier, that does not belong to me. See how it is damaged. Looks pretty much like the one that came off tehwalleth's car. I for one am not happy about having a pump disc of this type on my car and would have appreciated being told about it.
How many times did my car come back to you to fix a simple oil leak??? Yet you never fixed it.
You can keep saying the same rhetoric "that Christopher drove with a base file for so long." - Whilst it is true, that is also mostly your fault Peter. The tune file could not be changed until the mechanical issues were sorted. And by the time they were sorted, the car was already done for. So you can keep telling the forum that I still had the base file come April, but you and I both know we discussed a rebuild in January and I parked the car. There was no further need to write another file for the car. The damage was done. You were so quick to blame the tune file. You were dead set on the fact that the piston rings were dead, that the bores were glazed because the car was running too rich. But no, the bores are not glazed, the rings are not damaged. Guess what, you were wrong again. The tune file never overfueled enough to cause bore wash. Instead, we had a failure of the sleeves. Sleeves I never wanted to install in the first place. Sleeves that you convinced me were the best idea to go for. You mentioned Dalton sleeves would be used. Yet what we find in the car are not Dalton sleeves. I am still waiting for an answer from you regarding the sleeving of the car. Do you remember that long conversation we had in December of 2013 about sleeving the block. How I was against it. You convinced me, saying there were scratches in cylinder 6 because of the dropped valve the previous year. This put the fear of God into me, and I then entrusted you to make sure you knew what you were doing. It is one thing reading about sleeving an engine, it is a totally different thing to actually go ahead with it. I asked you if JB will be using a torque plate when they were going to bore and press in the sleeves. You didn't really give me a sufficient answer, but rather a vague "JB knows what they are doing." And they should, seeing as they do produce great work for RGM, but this still leaves me with the question, why are there cheap sleeves in my block? I still need to do more research on the matter, but from what I have been told, if you are going to sleeve this engine, it needs to be tungsten sleeves and they need to be very strong. Also, a torque head has to absolutely be used, otherwise the block will warp and the cylinders will not be round. This is not Peters fault, but rather an oversight by JB if they did indeed not use a torque plate when pressing in the sleeves.
In the end, the car only did 9000 odd km's since its rebuild. 2000km were to run the engine in. Another 3000 were NA. That leaves 4000 km supercharged, with a base file, for a year. You do the math. The car was barely driven. It sat in my garage for most of this year, coming out to one BMW day event, and one midnight race event in February. (Peter will now try point out that I raced the car at this event, that I was abusing the car and once again, he will blame it on me, but that would be a an unfortunate misunderstanding, as the car couldn't even line up against its competitor. It stalled at the line and would not engage third gear. So, no racing actually took place unfortunately, even though I did try, call me stupid, but I had been wanting to show my friends my supercharged e46 M3 that had been in hiding for so long. But this only ended up in me looking like an idiot, and I tucked my tail between my legs and drove home, sad and disappointed in the car I set out to build).
And yet, here I sit, finding myself typing away at 6am to what end? To prove what? I am left asking myself the question why did I even type all of this? But more importantly, what is the purpose of even letting Peter see this engine now, after hearing his plans to GUN for me. Will that change his attitude if it is proven that this is 100% without a doubt his fault. What will happen then, will Peter post more pictures of squeaky clean cars to distract us from what is the real point. No, I am done. I have already started to gather the things needed for the rebuild. I'm looking into a S62 swap, or a stroker kit. I might sell my HorsePower Freaks rods and my Crank and Vac Stage 1 cylinder head. I haven't made up my mind just yet.
Gentlemen, I really would rather concentrate my time and energy on something positive. This is why I will not entertain you, so I bid this thread farewell. Peter, go mad buddy. Say what you want, call me what you will. I really don't care anymore. I know it will be a fruitless endeavour to continue this tennis match of he said she said, so this will be my last response. I do not see the point in letting you see the engine, so that you can waste more of my time explaining why you are right all the time. Other members on this forum have not experienced you the way I have, and I am so sick of hearing your excuses Peter. So so so sick of it. This is why I asked Moranor to close the thread. I have no rapacious wishes for Peter to apologise for my cars demise. I had only wished he would admit his mistakes after he was proven wrong. That is all. You gentlemen that choose to work with Peter will learn in time, who he is. But I just hope this will teach him to respect his clients better, and not talk down on them. Peter, I know you meant well. And that you really did try to build the best S54 engine in the country. But let us be honest here, whilst the execution was a good attempt, there were certain issues that lead us down this path. Namely ones that involve your god complex. Some of you may not agree with what I have posted today. That is alright. You are entitled to have your opinion, but please, direct them to the wall behind you. I know what diatribe I had to endure from Peter when I found out he was wrong on so many occasions. If this thread is to be left open, then I trust Mototechnik may post his findings on what caused the engine to break in due course, and I also trust that the moderators will not delete his findings this time, but rather let him have his say, unlike last time he posted.
In closing, Peter, you won't get to see the engine. Not because I have something to hide. But because, and I will say it again, you simply don't deserve to be in that cars presence. You are quick to castigate everyone else but yourself, and the phone call with Burgy was the last straw. This is why I have decided this thread will not go anywhere. So you can sit her with your dick in your hand and discuss in circles about how I falsely accused you of so many wrongs. This thread will end with it becoming a tryst for you and your followers. I just hope one day they will find it within themselves to remove their tongues from your behind.
One final point. Billybob earlier said I attacked Peter openly, that it was distasteful. Billybob, I know you have feelings of antipathy against me, but let me teach you the difference between "attacking someone" and stating ones experiences of a matter. Before this post, I was posting my findings and the proof of my accusations against Peter. All that I posted was to my knowledge, the truth. The posting of the whatsapp messages were only to show how Peter refused to acknowledge his mistakes. This is not attacking someone, this is not distasteful, in a court of law, that would be called evidence my man.
have at thee...
Let me start off by saying that I spoke with Moranor last week, and he can vouch for me, that I was happy to let Peter see the engine... My words to him were that it is only fair and I was happy to let him and the new engine builder discuss what went wrong.
After seeing the engine, and taking the weekend off to think about my options, I was calm and peaceful, ready to just move on. I had chosen to forget this circus and focus my time and energy on positive things. I chose to adopt a sanguine outlook here on out. Life is short guys. Why waste it on a car thread arguing with an old stubborn man who never accepts that he is wrong, I thought. I am young. I am successful, I am wealthy. I can fix this car easily. Money isn't the issue here. So what is? Trying to teach an old fart humility? Really? Is that was I was wasting my time doing on this thread. No. I decided that this is a life lesson. This car came to me and taught me humility. To be humble. I was flamboyant and narcissistic when I first got this car over three years ago. From the get go she has taught me so much about myself, my old showboating ways and how it is beneath ones self to be self obsessed. Also, might I add, that I accepted that breaking engines is part of the parcel when you modify cars. If you can't deal with it, you shouldn't be in the kitchen. I thought to myself, I can walk away from this having learnt a lot. And my next project will fair better. Although I do admit, that I had a certain sense of compunction for how this thread turned out, and in time I guess I might have been inclined to have reached out to Peter to make amends, but now I'm wary and bellicose.
Why you might ask? Because Peter, after hearing what you told Burgy over the phone the other day, how you were going to gun for me, that you were going to make me look like an idiot on the forum. That you would do everything in your power to take me down. I decided that you don't deserve to be near my engine. This is what I meant by you have an agenda. You're not here to play fair or see what has gone wrong with the car. Moranor clearly is, and he has been supportive. But not you. No. You sir, are a snake, a man without honour. You simply think too highly of yourself, and this caused you to make mistakes. Mistakes that may very well have destroyed my car. Mistakes that you keep trying to disprove. You now openly call Alex a liar. You say he said 15 degrees, yet I see nowhere where he or I said 15 degrees. This 15 degree story seems to be taking the main focus here, when actually, it is not about how many degrees, but that the cams were indeed timed incorrectly. You now challenge Alex to explain to you how he discovered that the cams were wrong, you turn the focus around. This is a smart tactic, but the onus is on you to prove to us that you had indeed timed the car correctly, not the other way around. I have posted a video, where you can clearly see, when the cams were set top dead centre, that the cam alignment tool did not touch the bridge of the cylinder head. The video does not lie. I have no reason to falsify the evidence. Let us also not forget to mention, the car miraculously passed a vanos test the day after having the cams being seen to by Alex. A test, I might add, that the car had failed a few days prior to the timing being seen to. The vanos and o2 errors also vanished. Yet, you said it was impossible to be a mechanical timing issue, but, you also admitted to Moranor that you installed my Cams hot. Yes, Moranor told me that you knew my cams were hot. You knew they were installed not to factory spec. So if you knew they were not to factory spec, and that they were out, why are you trying so hard to disprove Alex? He has no reason to lie. He didn't charge me a cent to fix my car. He just helped me. So, I pose this question to you Peter. Why when I kept getting VANOS errors and cam sensor errors did you make me buy a new VANOS unit. Please explain to me why you thought that was the first option? And please do not get your son to interdict me with a million sidewinding questions that try to elude to what is really at at the heart of this. Your garrulous son can try disabuse the forum of your guilt all he wants, but you sir, must simply answer the question posed to you. Do not answer with questions back as you so often do. Riddle me this batman, why did you let me drive with HOT cams for 10 months, but never thought to maybe tell me they may be the reason why I was getting Vanos errors? I'll tell you why. You simply didn't have the experience to know any better. You didn't have the correct tool at the time, but instead, you had a home made tool. You should know that the BMW cam tool is inimitable. You can't just guess how it works and make your own. So, instead of admitting to the use of an incorrect tool, you hoped that maybe a new Vanos unit would fix it. Guess what, it didn't. But no real surprise there right. You didn't know what you were dealing with.
It is as simple as that.
Now getting back to what you told Burgy over the phone. Was this some kind of scare tactic? What was your reasons? Please indulge us? You can say Burgy is being fallacious in his recalling of your conversation with him. And that is fine, that seems to be your go to card anyway. Your fan boys on here will believe you as well. That is fine too. The important bit here is, that I believe Burgy. He was genuinely concerned over the phone when I spoke with him. He would not lie to me about what you said, and I know it is the truth because Peter, I know you better than anyone else here. I know who you really are. So if you'd like to open up the dirty laundry for all to see, then be my guest. But know that I have had some interesting conversations with a little bee. Very interesting indeed. So, I offer you to take your best shot. TAKE ME DOWN Peter.. as you explained in your own words over the phone to Burgy. Just be aware, my retaliation will leave you wishing you left this thread locked.
I told Moranor today, I actually don't care whether the car is proven to be broken because of the sleeves, the tune file, bad assembly of the engine, the overheating or because I have rotten luck. I don't care because what I am most annoyed with, is your lack of ability to admit when you are wrong. How many times did I prove you were wrong Peter? How many solutions did I come up with to fix my car, but you would shoot them down and tell me I was wrong. Which is ok, but in the end, I was actually right... and you were left looking stumped.
How many times Peter, did I say, the power steering pump pulley wheel is skew.
Yet you told me my eyes were skew, that I didn't know what I was looking at. Who the hell do you think you are? How can you speak to me, not just a paying customer, but a friend like that? That blew my mind? That you could say something so cruel. I am easy to offend when I deal with people I trust. So, clearly the relationship between us was not mutual. I looked up to you, yet you looked down on me.
In the end Peter, I proved you wrong. I fixed my car myself with the help of Nikhil. But the damage was already done. The car had already overheated twice, once when the belt came off originally. The second time when I was testing the new belt tensioner, which apart from swapping for a smaller serpentine belt, seemed like the only other solution, as you would not admit to to the power steering pump being skew. So, after installing the new mechanical belt tensioner myself one Saturday afternoon, I had to take the car around the block to see if it fixed the issue. I was less than 500m from my house when the belt came off. I told you I parked the car right away after the cluster light up like a christmas tree. Yet the cars temperature kept climbing. You told me not to worry, that it wasn't in the red for long enough to cause any damage. Do you remember this? I sat for half an hour waiting for the car to cool down before trying to get her home. But, you seem to think I just drove the car happily without concern. You told Burgy that I am at fault for overheating the car because I drove it around? Yet you are the one that told me to install a new tensioner and to test and see if the belt comes off. We tried everything short of changing the water pump pulley and crank pulley before I just decided to get Nikhil to help me straighten the power steering pump ourselves. But you still had the guts to blame it on the vibration from he supercharger, not your handiwork. You are delusional. Here are some pictures from your skew pulley install.
The first picture is the actual bolt and how it was sitting on the power steering pump. Nikhail can confirm this is how we found it installed on the car.
The second photo is the straight edge that was used to show the direction that the power steering pulley was facing. Note, the straight edge should rather line up with the supercharger pulley up top, instead the straight edge runs at an angle past the pulley.
The third photo shows how the straight edge is aligned with the supercharger pulley once the power steering pump was correctly installed by Nikhil. These photos were sent to Peter, but he blamed it on the new pump being faulty. Not his workmanship.
Lastly, whilst we are looking at photos, here is the pump disc I mentioned earlier, that does not belong to me. See how it is damaged. Looks pretty much like the one that came off tehwalleth's car. I for one am not happy about having a pump disc of this type on my car and would have appreciated being told about it.
How many times did my car come back to you to fix a simple oil leak??? Yet you never fixed it.
You can keep saying the same rhetoric "that Christopher drove with a base file for so long." - Whilst it is true, that is also mostly your fault Peter. The tune file could not be changed until the mechanical issues were sorted. And by the time they were sorted, the car was already done for. So you can keep telling the forum that I still had the base file come April, but you and I both know we discussed a rebuild in January and I parked the car. There was no further need to write another file for the car. The damage was done. You were so quick to blame the tune file. You were dead set on the fact that the piston rings were dead, that the bores were glazed because the car was running too rich. But no, the bores are not glazed, the rings are not damaged. Guess what, you were wrong again. The tune file never overfueled enough to cause bore wash. Instead, we had a failure of the sleeves. Sleeves I never wanted to install in the first place. Sleeves that you convinced me were the best idea to go for. You mentioned Dalton sleeves would be used. Yet what we find in the car are not Dalton sleeves. I am still waiting for an answer from you regarding the sleeving of the car. Do you remember that long conversation we had in December of 2013 about sleeving the block. How I was against it. You convinced me, saying there were scratches in cylinder 6 because of the dropped valve the previous year. This put the fear of God into me, and I then entrusted you to make sure you knew what you were doing. It is one thing reading about sleeving an engine, it is a totally different thing to actually go ahead with it. I asked you if JB will be using a torque plate when they were going to bore and press in the sleeves. You didn't really give me a sufficient answer, but rather a vague "JB knows what they are doing." And they should, seeing as they do produce great work for RGM, but this still leaves me with the question, why are there cheap sleeves in my block? I still need to do more research on the matter, but from what I have been told, if you are going to sleeve this engine, it needs to be tungsten sleeves and they need to be very strong. Also, a torque head has to absolutely be used, otherwise the block will warp and the cylinders will not be round. This is not Peters fault, but rather an oversight by JB if they did indeed not use a torque plate when pressing in the sleeves.
In the end, the car only did 9000 odd km's since its rebuild. 2000km were to run the engine in. Another 3000 were NA. That leaves 4000 km supercharged, with a base file, for a year. You do the math. The car was barely driven. It sat in my garage for most of this year, coming out to one BMW day event, and one midnight race event in February. (Peter will now try point out that I raced the car at this event, that I was abusing the car and once again, he will blame it on me, but that would be a an unfortunate misunderstanding, as the car couldn't even line up against its competitor. It stalled at the line and would not engage third gear. So, no racing actually took place unfortunately, even though I did try, call me stupid, but I had been wanting to show my friends my supercharged e46 M3 that had been in hiding for so long. But this only ended up in me looking like an idiot, and I tucked my tail between my legs and drove home, sad and disappointed in the car I set out to build).
And yet, here I sit, finding myself typing away at 6am to what end? To prove what? I am left asking myself the question why did I even type all of this? But more importantly, what is the purpose of even letting Peter see this engine now, after hearing his plans to GUN for me. Will that change his attitude if it is proven that this is 100% without a doubt his fault. What will happen then, will Peter post more pictures of squeaky clean cars to distract us from what is the real point. No, I am done. I have already started to gather the things needed for the rebuild. I'm looking into a S62 swap, or a stroker kit. I might sell my HorsePower Freaks rods and my Crank and Vac Stage 1 cylinder head. I haven't made up my mind just yet.
Gentlemen, I really would rather concentrate my time and energy on something positive. This is why I will not entertain you, so I bid this thread farewell. Peter, go mad buddy. Say what you want, call me what you will. I really don't care anymore. I know it will be a fruitless endeavour to continue this tennis match of he said she said, so this will be my last response. I do not see the point in letting you see the engine, so that you can waste more of my time explaining why you are right all the time. Other members on this forum have not experienced you the way I have, and I am so sick of hearing your excuses Peter. So so so sick of it. This is why I asked Moranor to close the thread. I have no rapacious wishes for Peter to apologise for my cars demise. I had only wished he would admit his mistakes after he was proven wrong. That is all. You gentlemen that choose to work with Peter will learn in time, who he is. But I just hope this will teach him to respect his clients better, and not talk down on them. Peter, I know you meant well. And that you really did try to build the best S54 engine in the country. But let us be honest here, whilst the execution was a good attempt, there were certain issues that lead us down this path. Namely ones that involve your god complex. Some of you may not agree with what I have posted today. That is alright. You are entitled to have your opinion, but please, direct them to the wall behind you. I know what diatribe I had to endure from Peter when I found out he was wrong on so many occasions. If this thread is to be left open, then I trust Mototechnik may post his findings on what caused the engine to break in due course, and I also trust that the moderators will not delete his findings this time, but rather let him have his say, unlike last time he posted.
In closing, Peter, you won't get to see the engine. Not because I have something to hide. But because, and I will say it again, you simply don't deserve to be in that cars presence. You are quick to castigate everyone else but yourself, and the phone call with Burgy was the last straw. This is why I have decided this thread will not go anywhere. So you can sit her with your dick in your hand and discuss in circles about how I falsely accused you of so many wrongs. This thread will end with it becoming a tryst for you and your followers. I just hope one day they will find it within themselves to remove their tongues from your behind.
One final point. Billybob earlier said I attacked Peter openly, that it was distasteful. Billybob, I know you have feelings of antipathy against me, but let me teach you the difference between "attacking someone" and stating ones experiences of a matter. Before this post, I was posting my findings and the proof of my accusations against Peter. All that I posted was to my knowledge, the truth. The posting of the whatsapp messages were only to show how Peter refused to acknowledge his mistakes. This is not attacking someone, this is not distasteful, in a court of law, that would be called evidence my man.
have at thee...
Dewald Basson
///Member
I feel you Chris 
But we have to live and learn.
But we have to live and learn.
Tareeq
Active member
:blueCry: Crash and Peter I really don't know what went wrong and where it went wrong from what I can remember you guys had a good understanding with one another. I am really surprised that the fighting hasn't come to an end yet and all I would like to say is put away the Pride and Ego and place yourselves in on another shoes.
@Crash I look forward to your new build I have to admit the S62 swop sounds like a good idea buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I think a S54 is an even better idea :rollsmile:
@Crash I look forward to your new build I have to admit the S62 swop sounds like a good idea buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I think a S54 is an even better idea :rollsmile:
UpNcOmiNg!
Events Organiser
I have refrained from posting on this thread for a number of reason but I have found myself compelled at this point to be the keyboard warrior I am deep down, and should someone want to see if I'll back it up in person, I am more than glad to do just so.
Being Chris' friend, I thought my views would be bias and skewed, but as a reasonable person I look at attitude and evidence.
Peter, as an honourary well-respected member of a forum of like-minded people of varying backgrounds, professions and experiences, I find your attitude to this entire scenario very cold to say the least. Facts are cold at best, but your holier-than-thou attitude is the reason why Chris's humble attitude as evidenced in his last post will ALWAYS set himself apart as a man and as a success.
He paid school fee's to work WITH you on this build, your return is due. If not monetarily so, then by way of admission. Humble yourself to the situation you find yourself in. This is not chance, this is not circumstance but this is YOUR choice that places you here today. Humble yourself to it and learn from it what you will.
This entire debacle has turned savage, and honestly, Chris has been a much better man than I would ever have been in this situation. I don't take lightly to being demeaned, my response is usually to then make a way to own that person, buy his business or compete with it and drown it, but yours is a business centrally focused on your ability (and apparent disability), and I would never want to own that if this is the attitude that is displayed for all the public.
The outcome is apparent. I am not shifting blame, but as someone with a mechanical mind, like Jezebels motor, open it. Open it to the possibility that you cocked up Peter. Open it to the chance for restitution in some way, shape or form.
The fact that you can demean someone with an equal or greater passion that is shared (we are all on this forum because of a genuine love), for the sake of your own pride tells me more about where your business is headed than any of your good, great, exceptional and sometime shit workmanship ever could.
Chris, I am sorry for you trials! Truly I am my friend. Your attitude has shown that the Pheonix rises. You have risen. You have humbled yourself to a lesson. That is an attitude that I admire. Your endurance is enviable.
I wish you the best with this situation.
Peter. You are a legend. You are not a God. You make mistakes. We all do. Own them and do what you feel befits the situation.
A humble attitude grows. If humility makes you uncomfortable, then you know you are growing. Nothing grows in comfort.
Being Chris' friend, I thought my views would be bias and skewed, but as a reasonable person I look at attitude and evidence.
Peter, as an honourary well-respected member of a forum of like-minded people of varying backgrounds, professions and experiences, I find your attitude to this entire scenario very cold to say the least. Facts are cold at best, but your holier-than-thou attitude is the reason why Chris's humble attitude as evidenced in his last post will ALWAYS set himself apart as a man and as a success.
He paid school fee's to work WITH you on this build, your return is due. If not monetarily so, then by way of admission. Humble yourself to the situation you find yourself in. This is not chance, this is not circumstance but this is YOUR choice that places you here today. Humble yourself to it and learn from it what you will.
This entire debacle has turned savage, and honestly, Chris has been a much better man than I would ever have been in this situation. I don't take lightly to being demeaned, my response is usually to then make a way to own that person, buy his business or compete with it and drown it, but yours is a business centrally focused on your ability (and apparent disability), and I would never want to own that if this is the attitude that is displayed for all the public.
The outcome is apparent. I am not shifting blame, but as someone with a mechanical mind, like Jezebels motor, open it. Open it to the possibility that you cocked up Peter. Open it to the chance for restitution in some way, shape or form.
The fact that you can demean someone with an equal or greater passion that is shared (we are all on this forum because of a genuine love), for the sake of your own pride tells me more about where your business is headed than any of your good, great, exceptional and sometime shit workmanship ever could.
Chris, I am sorry for you trials! Truly I am my friend. Your attitude has shown that the Pheonix rises. You have risen. You have humbled yourself to a lesson. That is an attitude that I admire. Your endurance is enviable.
I wish you the best with this situation.
Peter. You are a legend. You are not a God. You make mistakes. We all do. Own them and do what you feel befits the situation.
A humble attitude grows. If humility makes you uncomfortable, then you know you are growing. Nothing grows in comfort.
Crash_Nemesis said:Alright Peter, we shall do this your way.
Let me start off by saying that I spoke with Moranor last week, and he can vouch for me, that I was happy to let Peter see the engine... My words to him were that it is only fair and I was happy to let him and the new engine builder discuss what went wrong.
After seeing the engine, and taking the weekend off to think about my options, I was calm and peaceful, ready to just move on. I had chosen to forget this circus and focus my time and energy on positive things. I chose to adopt a sanguine outlook here on out. Life is short guys. Why waste it on a car thread arguing with an old stubborn man who never accepts that he is wrong, I thought. I am young. I am successful, I am wealthy. I can fix this car easily. Money isn't the issue here. So what is? Trying to teach an old fart humility? Really? Is that was I was wasting my time doing on this thread. No. I decided that this is a life lesson. This car came to me and taught me humility. To be humble. I was flamboyant and narcissistic when I first got this car over three years ago. From the get go she has taught me so much about myself, my old showboating ways and how it is beneath ones self to be self obsessed. Also, might I add, that I accepted that breaking engines is part of the parcel when you modify cars. If you can't deal with it, you shouldn't be in the kitchen. I thought to myself, I can walk away from this having learnt a lot. And my next project will fair better. Although I do admit, that I had a certain sense of compunction for how this thread turned out, and in time I guess I might have been inclined to have reached out to Peter to make amends, but now I'm wary and bellicose.
Why you might ask? Because Peter, after hearing what you told Burgy over the phone the other day, how you were going to gun for me, that you were going to make me look like an idiot on the forum. That you would do everything in your power to take me down. I decided that you don't deserve to be near my engine. This is what I meant by you have an agenda. You're not here to play fair or see what has gone wrong with the car. Moranor clearly is, and he has been supportive. But not you. No. You sir, are a snake, a man without honour. You simply think too highly of yourself, and this caused you to make mistakes. Mistakes that may very well have destroyed my car. Mistakes that you keep trying to disprove. You now openly call Alex a liar. You say he said 15 degrees, yet I see nowhere where he or I said 15 degrees. This 15 degree story seems to be taking the main focus here, when actually, it is not about how many degrees, but that the cams were indeed timed incorrectly. You now challenge Alex to explain to you how he discovered that the cams were wrong, you turn the focus around. This is a smart tactic, but the onus is on you to prove to us that you had indeed timed the car correctly, not the other way around. I have posted a video, where you can clearly see, when the cams were set top dead centre, that the cam alignment tool did not touch the bridge of the cylinder head. The video does not lie. I have no reason to falsify the evidence. Let us also not forget to mention, the car miraculously passed a vanos test the day after having the cams being seen to by Alex. A test, I might add, that the car had failed a few days prior to the timing being seen to. The vanos and o2 errors also vanished. Yet, you said it was impossible to be a mechanical timing issue, but, you also admitted to Moranor that you installed my Cams hot. Yes, Moranor told me that you knew my cams were hot. You knew they were installed not to factory spec. So if you knew they were not to factory spec, and that they were out, why are you trying so hard to disprove Alex? He has no reason to lie. He didn't charge me a cent to fix my car. He just helped me. So, I pose this question to you Peter. Why when I kept getting VANOS errors and cam sensor errors did you make me buy a new VANOS unit. Please explain to me why you thought that was the first option? And please do not get your son to interdict me with a million sidewinding questions that try to elude to what is really at at the heart of this. Your garrulous son can try disabuse the forum of your guilt all he wants, but you sir, must simply answer the question posed to you. Do not answer with questions back as you so often do. Riddle me this batman, why did you let me drive with HOT cams for 10 months, but never thought to maybe tell me they may be the reason why I was getting Vanos errors? I'll tell you why. You simply didn't have the experience to know any better. You didn't have the correct tool at the time, but instead, you had a home made tool. You should know that the BMW cam tool is inimitable. You can't just guess how it works and make your own. So, instead of admitting to the use of an incorrect tool, you hoped that maybe a new Vanos unit would fix it. Guess what, it didn't. But no real surprise there right. You didn't know what you were dealing with.
It is as simple as that.
Now getting back to what you told Burgy over the phone. Was this some kind of scare tactic? What was your reasons? Please indulge us? You can say Burgy is being fallacious in his recalling of your conversation with him. And that is fine, that seems to be your go to card anyway. Your fan boys on here will believe you as well. That is fine too. The important bit here is, that I believe Burgy. He was genuinely concerned over the phone when I spoke with him. He would not lie to me about what you said, and I know it is the truth because Peter, I know you better than anyone else here. I know who you really are. So if you'd like to open up the dirty laundry for all to see, then be my guest. But know that I have had some interesting conversations with a little bee. Very interesting indeed. So, I offer you to take your best shot. TAKE ME DOWN Peter.. as you explained in your own words over the phone to Burgy. Just be aware, my retaliation will leave you wishing you left this thread locked.
I told Moranor today, I actually don't care whether the car is proven to be broken because of the sleeves, the tune file, bad assembly of the engine, the overheating or because I have rotten luck. I don't care because what I am most annoyed with, is your lack of ability to admit when you are wrong. How many times did I prove you were wrong Peter? How many solutions did I come up with to fix my car, but you would shoot them down and tell me I was wrong. Which is ok, but in the end, I was actually right... and you were left looking stumped.
How many times Peter, did I say, the power steering pump pulley wheel is skew.
Yet you told me my eyes were skew, that I didn't know what I was looking at. Who the hell do you think you are? How can you speak to me, not just a paying customer, but a friend like that? That blew my mind? That you could say something so cruel. I am easy to offend when I deal with people I trust. So, clearly the relationship between us was not mutual. I looked up to you, yet you looked down on me.
In the end Peter, I proved you wrong. I fixed my car myself with the help of Nikhil. But the damage was already done. The car had already overheated twice, once when the belt came off originally. The second time when I was testing the new belt tensioner, which apart from swapping for a smaller serpentine belt, seemed like the only other solution, as you would not admit to to the power steering pump being skew. So, after installing the new mechanical belt tensioner myself one Saturday afternoon, I had to take the car around the block to see if it fixed the issue. I was less than 500m from my house when the belt came off. I told you I parked the car right away after the cluster light up like a christmas tree. Yet the cars temperature kept climbing. You told me not to worry, that it wasn't in the red for long enough to cause any damage. Do you remember this? I sat for half an hour waiting for the car to cool down before trying to get her home. But, you seem to think I just drove the car happily without concern. You told Burgy that I am at fault for overheating the car because I drove it around? Yet you are the one that told me to install a new tensioner and to test and see if the belt comes off. We tried everything short of changing the water pump pulley and crank pulley before I just decided to get Nikhil to help me straighten the power steering pump ourselves. But you still had the guts to blame it on the vibration from he supercharger, not your handiwork. You are delusional. Here are some pictures from your skew pulley install.
The first picture is the actual bolt and how it was sitting on the power steering pump. Nikhail can confirm this is how we found it installed on the car.
The second photo is the straight edge that was used to show the direction that the power steering pulley was facing. Note, the straight edge should rather line up with the supercharger pulley up top, instead the straight edge runs at an angle past the pulley.
The third photo shows how the straight edge is aligned with the supercharger pulley once the power steering pump was correctly installed by Nikhil. These photos were sent to Peter, but he blamed it on the new pump being faulty. Not his workmanship.
Lastly, whilst we are looking at photos, here is the pump disc I mentioned earlier, that does not belong to me. See how it is damaged. Looks pretty much like the one that came off tehwalleth's car. I for one am not happy about having a pump disc of this type on my car and would have appreciated being told about it.
How many times did my car come back to you to fix a simple oil leak??? Yet you never fixed it.
You can keep saying the same rhetoric "that Christopher drove with a base file for so long." - Whilst it is true, that is also mostly your fault Peter. The tune file could not be changed until the mechanical issues were sorted. And by the time they were sorted, the car was already done for. So you can keep telling the forum that I still had the base file come April, but you and I both know we discussed a rebuild in January and I parked the car. There was no further need to write another file for the car. The damage was done. You were so quick to blame the tune file. You were dead set on the fact that the piston rings were dead, that the bores were glazed because the car was running too rich. But no, the bores are not glazed, the rings are not damaged. Guess what, you were wrong again. The tune file never overfueled enough to cause bore wash. Instead, we had a failure of the sleeves. Sleeves I never wanted to install in the first place. Sleeves that you convinced me were the best idea to go for. You mentioned Dalton sleeves would be used. Yet what we find in the car are not Dalton sleeves. I am still waiting for an answer from you regarding the sleeving of the car. Do you remember that long conversation we had in December of 2013 about sleeving the block. How I was against it. You convinced me, saying there were scratches in cylinder 6 because of the dropped valve the previous year. This put the fear of God into me, and I then entrusted you to make sure you knew what you were doing. It is one thing reading about sleeving an engine, it is a totally different thing to actually go ahead with it. I asked you if JB will be using a torque plate when they were going to bore and press in the sleeves. You didn't really give me a sufficient answer, but rather a vague "JB knows what they are doing." And they should, seeing as they do produce great work for RGM, but this still leaves me with the question, why are there cheap sleeves in my block? I still need to do more research on the matter, but from what I have been told, if you are going to sleeve this engine, it needs to be tungsten sleeves and they need to be very strong. Also, a torque head has to absolutely be used, otherwise the block will warp and the cylinders will not be round. This is not Peters fault, but rather an oversight by JB if they did indeed not use a torque plate when pressing in the sleeves.
In the end, the car only did 9000 odd km's since its rebuild. 2000km were to run the engine in. Another 3000 were NA. That leaves 4000 km supercharged, with a base file, for a year. You do the math. The car was barely driven. It sat in my garage for most of this year, coming out to one BMW day event, and one midnight race event in February. (Peter will now try point out that I raced the car at this event, that I was abusing the car and once again, he will blame it on me, but that would be a an unfortunate misunderstanding, as the car couldn't even line up against its competitor. It stalled at the line and would not engage third gear. So, no racing actually took place unfortunately, even though I did try, call me stupid, but I had been wanting to show my friends my supercharged e46 M3 that had been in hiding for so long. But this only ended up in me looking like an idiot, and I tucked my tail between my legs and drove home, sad and disappointed in the car I set out to build).
And yet, here I sit, finding myself typing away at 6am to what end? To prove what? I am left asking myself the question why did I even type all of this? But more importantly, what is the purpose of even letting Peter see this engine now, after hearing his plans to GUN for me. Will that change his attitude if it is proven that this is 100% without a doubt his fault. What will happen then, will Peter post more pictures of squeaky clean cars to distract us from what is the real point. No, I am done. I have already started to gather the things needed for the rebuild. I'm looking into a S62 swap, or a stroker kit. I might sell my HorsePower Freaks rods and my Crank and Vac Stage 1 cylinder head. I haven't made up my mind just yet.
Gentlemen, I really would rather concentrate my time and energy on something positive. This is why I will not entertain you, so I bid this thread farewell. Peter, go mad buddy. Say what you want, call me what you will. I really don't care anymore. I know it will be a fruitless endeavour to continue this tennis match of he said she said, so this will be my last response. I do not see the point in letting you see the engine, so that you can waste more of my time explaining why you are right all the time. Other members on this forum have not experienced you the way I have, and I am so sick of hearing your excuses Peter. So so so sick of it. This is why I asked Moranor to close the thread. I have no rapacious wishes for Peter to apologise for my cars demise. I had only wished he would admit his mistakes after he was proven wrong. That is all. You gentlemen that choose to work with Peter will learn in time, who he is. But I just hope this will teach him to respect his clients better, and not talk down on them. Peter, I know you meant well. And that you really did try to build the best S54 engine in the country. But let us be honest here, whilst the execution was a good attempt, there were certain issues that lead us down this path. Namely ones that involve your god complex. Some of you may not agree with what I have posted today. That is alright. You are entitled to have your opinion, but please, direct them to the wall behind you. I know what diatribe I had to endure from Peter when I found out he was wrong on so many occasions. If this thread is to be left open, then I trust Mototechnik may post his findings on what caused the engine to break in due course, and I also trust that the moderators will not delete his findings this time, but rather let him have his say, unlike last time he posted.
In closing, Peter, you won't get to see the engine. Not because I have something to hide. But because, and I will say it again, you simply don't deserve to be in that cars presence. You are quick to castigate everyone else but yourself, and the phone call with Burgy was the last straw. This is why I have decided this thread will not go anywhere. So you can sit her with your dick in your hand and discuss in circles about how I falsely accused you of so many wrongs. This thread will end with it becoming a tryst for you and your followers. I just hope one day they will find it within themselves to remove their tongues from your behind.
One final point. Billybob earlier said I attacked Peter openly, that it was distasteful. Billybob, I know you have feelings of antipathy against me, but let me teach you the difference between "attacking someone" and stating ones experiences of a matter. Before this post, I was posting my findings and the proof of my accusations against Peter. All that I posted was to my knowledge, the truth. The posting of the whatsapp messages were only to show how Peter refused to acknowledge his mistakes. This is not attacking someone, this is not distasteful, in a court of law, that would be called evidence my man.
have at thee...
Good post man. As I said earlier. Whoever cocked up should acknowledge their mistakes and move on. This finger pointing shit is old and tired.
Good luck with your future build.
BillyBob
Active member
Crash_Nemesis said:
On a personal note, quite the contrary Chris - what you saw as the genesis of friction and antipathy was my attempts to correct your boost / pulley calculations and advise you on the build, which you responded to by calling me a know-it-all arsehole in so many words.. We'd since broken bread along with Burgy and even bantered while plasti-dipping your center console - but I'm assuming my insistence that you get your car retuned before driving it, somehow reignited your impression of me being a know-it-all who has it in for you.
A pity - I really wanted to see your build succeed, regardless of how you interpreted and responded to my advice.
As for the rest of your posts, it's downright macabre... arguing from the Silverwolff account as if to add another voice to your cause... and now another long-winded iteration of your tirade against Peter, with a (now missing) epilogue paragraph where you openly swore the man and everything he stands for.
You'll have to pardon my saying so, but it reflects anything but a man at peace with the situation he finds himself in.
Your initial posts regarding the matter started with criticizing not just Peter's workmanship (which is the subject at hand), but openly criticizing his nature and character - if that's not defamatory, I don't know what is.
And by the same token, viewed from that angle, after two weeks of verbal attacks and character assassination, could you blame the man even if he did say to Burgy that he's now gunning for you? Or would you expect him to take all of your criticism and remarks laying down with a smile, while still showing utter willingness to offer restitution and assist in effecting the repair?
Pending results of the teardown measurements and engineering reports, the cause for the failure will be attributed to the responsible party:
* The bore washing theory has been laid to rest - thank goodness. Similarly, the bearings probably survived intact.
* The motor didn't fail due to 2.8° of hotter cam timing - even if the Vanos & O2 errors prevented proper logging of cam position & thus writing a final map, the tuner still had a responsibility to write an interim map, adjusting injector duty cycles to ensure you didn't run rich or lean.... His claims of not being able to do that are a COMPLETE fabrication. Injector duty cycle can be adjusted based on AFR logs alone - logs which you had.
* If the sleeves cracked due to hot spots & detonation, your tune is at fault for lean running at low RPM - we know it ran lean at low RPM from the AFR logs, but the detonation could easily be dispelled if you've got knock logs (Burgy?)
* If the sleeves were incorrectly specced to begin with, Peter needs to explain the origin and reason they were specced.
* If the sleeves weren't installed with a torque plate, the engineering shop is accountable, and responsibility lies with Peter to hold them accountable as he chose JB Engineering
* If the sleeves cracked due to overheating - the fault lies somewhere between the power steering pump throwing belts (Peter), and how far you drove the car in an overheated state... if you drove it after the water pipe got cut, the gauge wouldn't have reflected overheating, as the sensor measures temperature of water (of which there was none). If you drove it, thinking that it safe as the gauge wasn't in the red, you warped the block, cracked the sleeves, and probably the head as well.
While I'm in full agreement with laying blame at the door of the responsible party, there is the overriding impression that no matter what the outcome of the teardown, you'll attribute the failure to Peter....
By you openly vilifying Peter and barring him from even inspecting the motor for himself, you're stacking the cards against him and effectively removing objectivity from the report in question. Alex has already been proven wrong on some of his assumptions and allegations regarding Peter's work... so one could be excused for expecting a potentially biased report if Peter isn't allowed to see the motor --- or even get an independent 3rd party to assess for that matter.
I still do wish you the best for a rebuild or whatever direction this ends up going.
Bawb
Willy
Member
BillyBob said:
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And this blaming game is staring to sound childish and American.
I have not met anybody involved in this matter. So I have nothing to gain or lose and also no reason to stand by anybody.
I have also been told I know nothing about tuning by a mere dyno operator which also have no idea of who I am and what I do. But I am not going to beg for anybody on a public forum to say sorry because I am not a drama queen like that.
They problem here is with the tuner as I have said before but apparently I am the one that doesn't listen.
You can build an engine as strong as you want and spend your bottomless pit of money on all the fancy parts. If the fueling and timing is not right it will break. (I am not even going to mention the fact that nobody thought to put colder plugs in)
If the car is not right and you use it, its your fault especially if there is a great big gauge telling you that all is not well. You can not go on blaming everybody and cry about it in public if you don't have the balls to take some of the responsibility for breaking the car you will gain nothing from this except a broken up community.
If you however feel that you have done absolutely nothing wrong why do you still beat the dead cow (damn where is that smiley when you need it). Build a new engine with that what you have learned from this one and stop crying about some kid that stole your toys.
VictorMike
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Willy said:
Dude, you being a bit harsh here. It is statements like this that would split a community apart, more than anything else.
Willy
Member
:slap:
:argue:
:floggin:
This is what I said: "Build a new engine with that what you have learned from this one and stop crying about some kid that stole your toys."
Not :"stop crying about some kid that stole your toys."
And yes maybe so I am sorry, I can not retract that statement but I would if I could.
:coolShake:
See what I did there?
Why can't everybody do that?
:argue:
:floggin:
This is what I said: "Build a new engine with that what you have learned from this one and stop crying about some kid that stole your toys."
Not :"stop crying about some kid that stole your toys."
And yes maybe so I am sorry, I can not retract that statement but I would if I could.
:coolShake:
See what I did there?
Why can't everybody do that?
