Crash's Jezebel in for a Rebuild-Rebuilding an e46 S54 UPDATE on page 26

[BahnStormer]

Peter

I was being polite, but will now be to the point and I will absolutely answer your questions, on a public forum, as you request.

Firstly, I have absolutely no idea where you get this insistent '15 degrees' from. I said 8mm. But for fun let's say I said 15..or 3 degrees..or 18 degrees.. Does it matter? As I predicted, we are focusing on semantics which have nothing to do with the result..that customers were unhappy with cars you did the timing on and complained they 'weren't the same', I worked on the cars, and then they were magically happy again. Last time I checked I wasn't Houdini..I just follow procedure. To answer your question, I verified that the cams were out because when I placed the bridge on the cams, the bridge remained lifted off the head as it illustrates in the picture Chris took.. I don't know what more there is to it.

Secondly, I didn't want to get into this point because it exposes gross negligence, but you asked.. Regarding the splines, you went as far as to mix up the intake and exhaust vanos splines on Chris's car. Yes you read correctly.. you connected the intake spline to the exhaust piston and exhaust hub sprocket and vica versa which could have resulted in catastrophic failure of..well pretty much everything neighbouring the splines and I'm amazed that neither the pump, vanos pistons, solenoid pack nor the splines themselves got shredded.

Lets not get into the chain tensioner guide rail..

What I don't understand is why these details are even relevant.. the objective fact that chris's car was throwing codes before I worked on it and after was no longer throwing codes should say it all..aside from Chris's seat dyno and how he exclaimed how much better his car felt..

 

[Peter@AEW]

Peter

I was being polite, but will now be to the point and I will absolutely answer your questions, on a public forum, as you request.

Firstly, I have absolutely no idea where you get this insistent '15 degrees' from. I said 8mm. But for fun let's say I said 15..or 3 degrees..or 18 degrees.. Does it matter? As I predicted, we are focusing on semantics which have nothing to do with the result..that customers were unhappy with cars you did the timing on and complained they 'weren't the same', I worked on the cars, and then they were magically happy again. Last time I checked I wasn't Houdini..I just follow procedure. To answer your question, I verified that the cams were out because when I placed the bridge on the cams, the bridge remained lifted off the head as it illustrates in the picture Chris took.. I don't know what more there is to it.

Secondly, I didn't want to get into this point because it exposes gross negligence, but you asked.. Regarding the splines, you went as far as to mix up the intake and exhaust vanos splines on Chris's car. Yes you read correctly.. you connected the intake spline to the exhaust piston and exhaust hub sprocket and vica versa which could have resulted in catastrophic failure of..well pretty much everything neighbouring the splines and I'm amazed that neither the pump, vanos pistons, solenoid pack nor the splines themselves got shredded.

Lets not get into the chain tensioner guide rail..

What I don't understand is why these details are even relevant.. the objective fact that chris's car was throwing codes before I worked on it and after was no longer throwing codes should say it all..aside from Chris's seat dyno and how he exclaimed how much better his car felt..

Alex thank you for the clarity within your post.


With regards to Exhaust spline shaft placed on intake camshaft hub/gearbox and intake on exhaust.
If one looks closely the exhaust side of the motor has the spline shaft protruding

The below picture clearly shows that the pistons are equal in protrusion within their respective chambers, something that would not happen if the spline shafts were mixed in the cams.


The above pictures refute your allegations as does the video evidence presented by Christopher, which specifically indicates that the exhaust spline shaft is located in the exhaust camshaft hub.

One can equally see that the hub has not been disturbed as it is covered in engine oil as are the hub bolts and the spline shaft. Clearly at that point of the video you are still in the process of discussing things with Christopher.

For those that are not familiar here is a link to the different sizes on the spline shafts with the exhaust being longer than the intake.

With regards to your assertions of the spline shafts being incorrectly mounted I need to tell you that you are far from the truth. If one were to mount them as you propose the vanos piston would push into the end cap and cause it to leak oil profusely.

With regards the 15 degree "story" it was you who said it to me twice; once when I first phoned you, and the second time when you came to visit me. I will not comment on what you may have said to others.

You have still not explained how you came to test the cam position as per the video.
Please explain in the same amount of detail as you did with the spline shafts which were placed correctly but which you have chosen to represent as having been fitted incorrectly.

To start you off ...I removed the tappet cover and brought the engine to top dead center...



For those following this pulling of teeth I have made a note to demonstrate the above when Nikhil visits.

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For those who may not know what an end cap is here is a picture of the vanos with the two caps that seal the pistons within the unit.
They are commonly referred to as end caps.

 

[moranor@axis]

I would like to ask that a1exander and BahnStormer finish their discussion before we post our thoughts...

their discussion is the only way we are going to get real answers on the cam timing so posting and distracting from it is counter productive

 

[BahnStormer]

Peter

I really have nothing further to say. You can post as many pictures as you like, I know what I pulled apart. I am not here to make up random stories because I have nothing to gain from this tragedy.

I just hope Chris is not expected to spend a single cent to get his car back up to scratch at a mechanic of his choice..

 

[herr bmw]

any further updates?

 

[moranor@axis]

Burgy and Peter need to meet with the current engine builder to look at the engine in order to try determine what caused this failure

the go ahead has been given but no date has been set yet

 

[Peter@AEW]

Peter

I was being polite, but will now be to the point and I will absolutely answer your questions, on a public forum, as you request.



Secondly, I didn't want to get into this point because it exposes gross negligence, but you asked.. Regarding the splines, you went as far as to mix up the intake and exhaust vanos splines on Chris's car. Yes you read correctly.. you connected the intake spline to the exhaust piston and exhaust hub sprocket and vica versa which could have resulted in catastrophic failure of..well pretty much everything neighbouring the splines and I'm amazed that neither the pump, vanos pistons, solenoid pack nor the splines themselves got shredded.

Let me start off by making the following statement of fact: You were not being polite you were lying.
The spline shafts were not incorrectly seated as proven by the video footage supplied by Christopher.
If you thought that you could make a statement as per above and get away with it you are more foolish than I thought you to be.

I reversed the spline shafts in the cams so that I could show you what happens.

This picture shows how the spline shafts should be located.
The exhaust spline shaft on the left hand of the picture has a stem noticeably longer than the intake which is on the right hand of the picture

In Christopher's video we see the exhaust spline shaft with its long stem.
Here is a picture captured from the video



Below is a picture of the exhaust camshaft with the inlet camshaft spline shaft located and secured in it.


Here is a picture with the exhaust spline shaft located in the inlet camshaft


This is what they look like when viewed at a slight angle


This is a picture of the vanos body mounted on the engine with the exhaust side piston visibly retracted in the cylinder due to the fact that the inlet spline shaft has been placed on the exhaust camshaft.


This is a picture of the vanos body mounted on the engine with the inlet side piston visibly protruding from the cylinder due to the fact that the exhaust spline shaft has been placed on the inlet camshaft.



And here is a series of pics as to the reason that no sensible man would ever mix the spline shafts and ignore it as the engine would not run for very long with 100 Bar of pressure pushing the oil out of the end cap which cannot be secured on the vanos body.






If the above is not evidence enough than nothing will be.

Equally and I quote:
"I really have nothing further to say. You can post as many pictures as you like, I know what I pulled apart. I am not here to make up random stories because I have nothing to gain from this tragedy."
The reason that you have nothing further to say is due to the fact that you have built on lies the most ludicrous and far fetched being that I placed the spline shafts incorrectly into the wrong hubs.

Prove me wrong please go set up your car as you say I did the spline shafts and come visit me in it (I very much doubt that it will run).
If you make it to my house from your house driving your car under its own power and not with a ceased engine you can have the keys to the red car.

 

[Fordkoppie]

:lmoa:

Lies have this nasty way of screwing the liar eventually:boink:

I wonder where his fanbase will run to next? :mmm:

 

[Willy]

:tiptoe:

 

[faisel]

This is becoming like scandal.it would have been ideal for peter to have been present when the motor was opened however he wasn't. Is it going to happen that he gets to inspect the motor?
I'm very sure there must have been some other reason for this failure and if so the purpose of a forum is to inform us so we don't fall foul to the same, whether it be bad workmanship,bad mapping, bad driving habits, etc etc

 

[922-ZN]

:lmoa:

Lies have this nasty way of screwing the liar eventually:boink:

I wonder where his fanbase will run to next? :mmm:

Fan base is still here sunny boy and will continue to be, I like how peter is turning this around on Alex...

Sarcasm on* Alex you are now to blame for Crash' fcuked engine sarcasm off*

:crazylaugh::crazylaugh::crazylaugh:

 

[Rommies]

i still think overheating caused all the sleeves to crack.

 

[moranor@axis]

This is becoming like scandal.it would have been ideal for peter to have been present when the motor was opened however he wasn't. Is it going to happen that he gets to inspect the motor?
I'm very sure there must have been some other reason for this failure and if so the purpose of a forum is to inform us so we don't fall foul to the same, whether it be bad workmanship,bad mapping, bad driving habits, etc etc

so far the new engine builder has been completely truthful about what he has found he seems honest

hopefully this week Burgy and Peter can go look at the engine

 

[Lysis]

:lmoa:

Lies have this nasty way of screwing the liar eventually:boink:

I wonder where his fanbase will run to next? :mmm:

Fan base is still here sunny boy and will continue to be, I like how peter is turning this around on Alex...

Sarcasm on* Alex you are now to blame for Crash' fcuked engine sarcasm off*

:crazylaugh::crazylaugh::crazylaugh:

If that is what you took away from that then I seriously question your ability to comprehend what you read.
Please point out to me where it was insinuated that Alex was responsible for any failure on Chris' car. This is not Peter turning anything on Alex, this is Peter pointing out how it isn't possible to mix up the spline shafts. Nothing else was addressed in Peter's last post. If the explanation given isn't proof enough that Alex was incorrect in his assessment of the spline shafts then nothing will be and that's fine. What I would suggest however, is that you don't post such obviously inflammatory comments to hide your own lack of understanding.

 

[922-ZN]

If that is what you took away from that then I seriously question your ability to comprehend what you read.
Please point out to me where it was insinuated that Alex was responsible for any failure on Chris' car. This is not Peter turning anything on Alex, this is Peter pointing out how it isn't possible to mix up the spline shafts. Nothing else was addressed in Peter's last post. If the explanation given isn't proof enough that Alex was incorrect in his assessment of the spline shafts then nothing will be and that's fine. What I would suggest however, is that you don't post such obviously inflammatory comments to hide your own lack of understanding.

You can question anything you want and have any opinion of me, you know what they say about opinions:thumbs:

I may have a lack of understanding but that's why I am part of this forum, to learn, and I am learning ALOT in this thread, both mechanical and character based knowledge:thumbs:

 

[Lysis]

If that is what you took away from that then I seriously question your ability to comprehend what you read.
Please point out to me where it was insinuated that Alex was responsible for any failure on Chris' car. This is not Peter turning anything on Alex, this is Peter pointing out how it isn't possible to mix up the spline shafts. Nothing else was addressed in Peter's last post. If the explanation given isn't proof enough that Alex was incorrect in his assessment of the spline shafts then nothing will be and that's fine. What I would suggest however, is that you don't post such obviously inflammatory comments to hide your own lack of understanding.

You can question anything you want and have any opinion of me, you know what they say about opinions:thumbs:

I may have a lack of understanding but that's why I am part of this forum, to learn, and I am learning ALOT in this thread, both mechanical and character based knowledge:thumbs:

I'm glad to hear that you're here to learn, and I'm sure that most of us are here to learn and share what we learn, it's just a pity that your posts don't reflect that.

 

[M3_FTW]

Yoh, some hectic accusations taking place here.

If indeed the Cam timing was out then I would expect the engine builder to man up and cover the costs involved. Same story for the issue with the sleeves.

 

[BillyBob]

Oops...

Interesting how one little over-embellishment can make the whole story unravel at the seams and shred virtually all credibility.

If the switched splines story is a fabrication, what else is?

 

[M3_FTW]

Oops...

Interesting how one little over-embellishment can make the whole story unravel at the seams and shred virtually all credibility.

If the switched splines story is a fabrication, what else is?

I am by no means an expert on this shit. But if the cam timing was so far out wouldn't the car run like absolute shit ?

 

[Willy]

Oops...

Interesting how one little over-embellishment can make the whole story unravel at the seams and shred virtually all credibility.

If the switched splines story is a fabrication, what else is?

I am by no means an expert on this shit. But if the cam timing was so far out wouldn't the car run like absolute shit ?

Less than 3 degrees out would not make such a difference. If the car that I drove was done using the same cam timing tool then you wouldn't notice a difference, in fact it still pulls like a train.

And it will also not have any lights on. . .