BMW SA Strikes Again - Motorplan

herr bmw

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Caddy101 said:
Thank you for this rant, I nearly convinced my mother to buy a new X3, we were about to leave the house to go test drive one. Luckily women take long to get ready and I entertained myself on the forum.

Now to find somebody who wont treat my 50 year old mother like shit after she pays for the car. She's old, she needs a comprehensive motorplan/warranty that is reliable. She can't be shopping for parts or finding mechanics at her age.

its not the badge,caddy101,bmw is an excellent car,problem lies with the dealers and there mp rules.

i havent had any problems with mp yet,or the dealer i bought the car from.

cant say the same for vw,and only after phoning uitenhage,then i got results.

the same counts for my wifes nissan,and we only take it to centurion,as we get excelent service.
 

Philip Foglar

///Member
Does seem a tad over the top! Yep, motorplan is just a way of pre-ripping you off, and then when out of motorplan you really pay! It's basically a trap to in the form of a safety net, and it seems that when it comes to solving problems it doesn't always pay off. So parts and labour afterwards are inflated to the point of lunacy - asked for a price for the space-saver bag which has the tie-down straps. First of all, no stock, but then, over R800 for a BAG!!!
 

Caddy101

Active member
herr bmw said:
Caddy101 said:
Thank you for this rant, I nearly convinced my mother to buy a new X3, we were about to leave the house to go test drive one. Luckily women take long to get ready and I entertained myself on the forum.

Now to find somebody who wont treat my 50 year old mother like shit after she pays for the car. She's old, she needs a comprehensive motorplan/warranty that is reliable. She can't be shopping for parts or finding mechanics at her age.

its not the badge,caddy101,bmw is an excellent car,problem lies with the dealers and there mp rules.

i havent had any problems with mp yet,or the dealer i bought the car from.

cant say the same for vw,and only after phoning uitenhage,then i got results.

the same counts for my wifes nissan,and we only take it to centurion,as we get excelent service.

True.

My mom had a look at the X3, she liked it, but it was a bit pricey. So she's gonna wait for new Mercedes B Class to come out before she makes a final decision.

I wish we lived in a world where people gave us our money's worth. I'm talking government, insurance companies, medical aid, etc.

It seems nowadays, the game in the corporate world is "make them pay and don't reciprocate"
 

P Smit

New member
Nick, this attitude displayed by BMW is bulshit, unfortunately contract terms and conditions are just that.

That is why I normally buy good used cars just out of MP, with excellent MP history. New cars are just stupendously unnecessary expensive. I feel new cars are just overpriced.

The only new car I bought was a Fortuner last year July. What a joy, and the dealers in Pietersburg and Potgietersrus are great. I could even instal a Unichip, no problem. They know what it's all about.

Any case, I got excellent service once last year April when I fetched my M3 in the Cape, from Tygervalei BMW. The workshop manager was great, friendly and helpfull, also accurate with solving a problem on the car. Try them maybe next time.
 

Seether

New member
kabal said:
why didnt they just void the suspension portion of the motorplan?

to be fair, you violated the motorplan agreement

That being said, from what I understood and read, BMW failed to fix the problem and hence the reason why they were installed.
 

Carbon

///Member
Philip Foglar said:
Does seem a tad over the top! Yep, motorplan is just a way of pre-ripping you off, and then when out of motorplan you really pay! It's basically a trap to in the form of a safety net, and it seems that when it comes to solving problems it doesn't always pay off. So parts and labour afterwards are inflated to the point of lunacy - asked for a price for the space-saver bag which has the tie-down straps. First of all, no stock, but then, over R800 for a BAG!!!

Not to be rude, but most of the comments here are vague, opinionated and like the quoted comment, illogical. Yes, dealerships need to sharpen up, it sucks. But I have had only good experiences from most. I understand your dissatisfaction with the service you have received, but your rants are a bit misguided. Don't get me wrong, I don't like what is going on, but lets get our facts straight before we shoot to kill.

Hope SMG helps to get your cars fixed.

Regards
Jacques

 

Philip Foglar

///Member
Fair enough, there's always various sides to a story. My car went into for a routine service last week and I had asked them to attend to a few issues. My car was spotlessly clean so that they could see that I make a point to look after my car, and when physically inspected I pointed out the various areas where the was the odd scratch or mark from the previous ownership.

After being there for a few days it was eventually ready for collection. Couldn't really take a close look at the car where it was parked so ended up driving home. Parked in the driveway to take a look around. Immediately spotted some of the wheels all of a sudden have chips and scratches from careless treatment, the engine cover had some minor but annoying scratches, and even on the front bumper there were some dull minor scuff marks. Then I check my service book, not stamped - so straight back to the dealer to get it stamped and to show them the various bits of damage.

Book gets stamped and I begin to show them all the areas of damage. Immediately I was amazed at how quick they want to down play and make it seem like it's not such a big deal etc. Although very irritated with the wheels I am an honest person and said that the one wheel was slightly chipped from TWT a few months ago, so my aim was to bring this to their attention - what if this was a brand new car with larger and more expensive wheels? But the engine cover, was not happy with this - even though in reality the scratch was only slightly visible, it told me that not too much care was given when they worked on my car. Then they wanted to say that it's silly to expect the technician to pay R2500 to replace an engine cover that he may have scratched - not my problem, don't scratch and damage my stuff! For instance, the wheels had chips from clearly being allowed to fall or stand against something, and from carelessly dropping the wheel wrench and bolts against the holes on the wheels - avoidable stuff!

So I said I am not too worried about the wheels (in part because I wanted to fit other wheels), but not happy with the engine cover - they tell me that they have a car in their fleet with the same engine cover and they will swap them over the following week. Then I get a call telling me that the cover they have is different, it's for the facelift.

Monday comes and I had to go into Cape Town - was going to go to BMW the following day for them to try and have the engine cover touched up. On the way back along the N1 I hear a soft rumble and at first think it's the music or another vehicle, but then it begins to get louder and all of a sudden it's a proper and increasingly violent vibration! Not the safest place to stop and being in the right lane, I check to see if there are any warnings, maybe a flat tyre, nothing, then clutch in to see if it's engine related which didn't seem to make a difference, so was something to do with the wheels or drivetrain behind the engine. Had to pull off to the right which is the worst possible place to be forced to stop. Carefully did a walk around and all tyres and wheels appeared fine. Decided to limp on to BMW Forsdicks in Bellville which was nearby - at the top of Platterkloof hill had to pull over again, and this time there was a "chirp-chirp-chirp" sound as I came to a stop, so something brakes related. All four corners seemed fine and not hot at all. So slowly limped further and onto the Durban Road off-ramp, and then up to Forsdicks. The dealer that worked on my car had over-adjusted the handbrake causing them to bind and overheat! They adjusted the handbrake so that it wouldn't bind any further but said that since they hadn't done the work on the car I need to take it back to the other dealer and have them rectify the problem.

To say I was furious is an understatement. Spoke to someone high up at the dealership and explained my experiences and dissatisfaction, basically my car was in better physical and mechanic condition before going in for service! He seemed very sincere and arranged a courtesy car while they attend to the problems. In light of being stuck on the side of the road (not one of my previous cars have ever let me down) I insisted that they replace the rear disks and handbrake shoes (pads were newly fitted and unaffected) - the hubs and shoes however would have gotten very hot. Also insisted that they replace the engine cover - honestly, they should know to work carefully on these premium cars.

In the end, they sorted out these things and did so in a friendly manner, but it really shouldn't have happened - basically this was an eye opener for me and for all the horror stories that I've heard and read about. It's a catch twenty two situation - having motorplan is suppose to be piece of mind, but how often is it really working in your best interest? The catch is, like with most things, you are treated like a number and the quicker the turn around time the better, so sloppy work becomes the norm.

Basically, this is nothing new really and not specific to brands, happens from A to Z of the brands out there... Point is to not just accept poor service! :thumbs:
 

rick540

///Member
Cyclone101 said:
Philip Foglar said:
Does seem a tad over the top! Yep, motorplan is just a way of pre-ripping you off, and then when out of motorplan you really pay! It's basically a trap to in the form of a safety net, and it seems that when it comes to solving problems it doesn't always pay off. So parts and labour afterwards are inflated to the point of lunacy - asked for a price for the space-saver bag which has the tie-down straps. First of all, no stock, but then, over R800 for a BAG!!!

Not to be rude, but most of the comments here are vague, opinionated and like the quoted comment, illogical. Yes, dealerships need to sharpen up, it sucks. But I have had only good experiences from most. I understand your dissatisfaction with the service you have received, but your rants are a bit misguided. Don't get me wrong, I don't like what is going on, but lets get our facts straight before we shoot to kill.

Hope SMG helps to get your cars fixed.

Regards
Jacques

I would love to see how your oppinion changes the first time a dealer screws up in your case and it costs you R40000 out of your own pocket like has happened to many of us already.

 

Rooi_Willie

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Swiegie said:
Hi

I share your feelings, I am just as unhappy with the service I receive from BMW!! Our car has been to three different workshops to resolve some issues, but it is absolutely useless.

My next car will be an Alfa. At least when I buy it, i know I can expect to have some problems with it......

Cheers

:rollsmile::rollsmile::rollsmile:
 

Doomsdaya

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Totally off topic but when I was browsing through Car Magazine October 2011 issue, came across a "Customer Complaints" section per manufacturer...... Audi was rated the worst with yours truely BMW coming in a close 2nd. Surprisingly Toyota & VW didnt fair so badly considering they have a large piece of the market share.
 

Carbon

///Member
Swiegie said:
My next car will be an Alfa. At least when I buy it, i know I can expect to have some problems with it......

Cheers

Actually, Alfa tied VW for 10th place in the JDPowers survey. Don't know why people still think VW is a reliable car, or you can say that Alfa is reliable... Choose one :rollsmile:


Oh, and customer complaints is a subjective assessment since people with cheaper cars are less likely to report small problems, with more expensive cars the people get much more anal and don't accept anything other than perfect.

@rick540, Not saying it doesn't suck. Just saying theres always two sides to a story.

Regards
Jacques


 
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scunick

Guest
So me being the loving caring person I am I decided to not let sleeping dogs lie.
I sent the following email to our friend Johannes in BMW customer services:

Johannes,

It comes as no great surprise to see that you have not replied to my email or deemed it fit to process my refund as yet. I would at this time like to highlight to you your role in this situation. A brief glance at your title, attached at the bottom of all your emails, is "Specialist : Customer Services". Now if i am correct here I AM A CLIENT. Your role is to provide SERVICE. How does ignoring my emails and not meeting your stated commitments amount to service?

If you think that I am going to just disappear into the woodwork and ignore the problem because you choose to be patently rude and uncommunicative, then I am unfortunately going to disappoint you here. I WILL NOT GO AWAY.

Onto the next topic at hand. My BMW M Coupe which is currently under Motorplan has a number of issues that Motorplan will now address in terms of their contractual commitment. AS A POINT OF FACT THE M COUPE IS COMPLETELY UNMODIFIED IN ANYWAY SO ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO VOID MY MOTORPLAN WILL RESULT IN LEGAL PROCEEDINGS!!!!
These issues are:
The vehicles suspension is faulty and the vehicle does not track true. (THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM EXPERIENCED ON THE E46 M3 THAT WAS ONLY SOLVED WITH THE FITMENT OF AFTERMARKET COIL OVERS - WHICH BMW USED AS AN EXCUSE TO VOID MY MOTORPLAN). This vehicle has been aligned on numerous occasions and the problem still exists.
The clutch will on occasion slip. While I might have been tempted to let this go until more definitive failure, given BMW's approach I am afraid that I want this failure fixed immediately.
The drivers side window binds and squeaks when it is warm. It would seem that the track is worn.
There is a very annoying squeak from the drivetrain that must be resolved
The steering wheel has worn very badly and their are pinhole sized pits in the rubber. The steering wheel needs to be replaced.
The cubby hole requires significant effort to close properly as it looks like the hinge has worn. That too needs to be replaced.
The drivers and Passenger seats creak badly against the body panels when the seats are extended backwards. A requirement as I am 192cm's tall. The creaking must be resolved.
The GPS software needs to be updated. I will not accept that it has the latest version loaded. It is complete rubbish.
While this is not a complete list it is a good starting point.
By close of business today I expect to GET SOME SERVICE FROM YOU. I expect to have my vehicle booked into the dealer. I expect that a BMW SA representative will be there to inspect the issues and I expect the problems resolved (in BMW's ridiculous terms this means parts replaced) with 24hrs.

Finally, I take great personal offense to the approach you have applied to this issue. You are a representative of BMW (SA). You patently have no regard for my needs as a client and further based on the information I have received from external sources seem to take great glee in providing absolutely no customer service what so ever.

I would strongly suggest you start meeting my requirements as a customer. i am far from the least vocal client you have met and I will not let this just dissolve into oblivion.
Not stop sitting on your over padded posterior and get working on resolving my issues.

Good day


By way of a small miracle the response i got was:

Dear Nick

We will make a booking and contact SMG to overlook these highlighted problems for you.

Once Ashraf confirms a date and time, we will be in touch,

Regards


BMW (South Africa) (Pty) Ltd

Mr Johannes Conradie
Specialist : Customer Services
Dept Code: Dept Code ZA-VA-1-3
P.O Box 2955, Pretoria 0001
Phone: 0800 600 555
Fax: 0865574416
mailto: [email protected]
Url: http://www.bmw.co.za/
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Registration number 1960/000196/07
This e-mail and its contents are subject to the BMW (South Africa)(Pty) Ltd
Email Legal notice and information available at
http://www.bmw.co.za/legal/directorsnotice.asp

Directors: F-P Arndt*(Chairman), B Donauer* (Managing), U-B Sanne*(Finance & Human Resources),
J Ginglseder*(Technical & Logistics), Dr JP Fegbeutel*(Legal Services),
W Luhabe(Non-Executive), MS Phalatse(Non-Executive)
*(German)
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Still no reply on my issues around the refund. I have sent another email expressing my discontent.....

And yes I am now just being bloody difficult and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.... Poor Motorplan... i am devastated... you reap what you sow!

later peeps

Nick

 

rick540

///Member
Are you pissed with them for cancelling your Motorplan or just their s%$t service and attitude in general?

 
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scunick

Guest
rick540 said:
Are you pissed with them for cancelling your Motorplan or just their s%$t service and attitude in general?
Rick,
Frankly Both. They have voided my Motorplan for no relevant reason AND have always been the source of significant angst with their favorite "this performs within spec" statements.
If they had honoured the Motorplan on my E46 M3 then they would not have me climbing their frame right now. They have not and I now have to pay for a new diff. They bow will have me chasing them at every level until they meet the exact letter of the contract.
Later
Nick
 

rick540

///Member
scunick said:
rick540 said:
Are you pissed with them for cancelling your Motorplan or just their s%$t service and attitude in general?
Rick,
Frankly Both. They have voided my Motorplan for no relevant reason AND have always been the source of significant angst with their favorite "this performs within spec" statements.
If they had honoured the Motorplan on my E46 M3 then they would not have me climbing their frame right now. They have not and I now have to pay for a new diff. They bow will have me chasing them at every level until they meet the exact letter of the contract.
Later
Nick

I honestly do understand your frustration and frankly I fully agree with you, but the car was modified even if it was because they couldnt fix an issue, and that is a condition of the Motorplan contract that they can do this.

So technically they are in the right...it sucks but that's the contract.

Anyways give them what for anyway.

 
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scunick

Guest
rick540 said:
I honestly do understand your frustration and frankly I fully agree with you, but the car was modified even if it was because they couldnt fix an issue, and that is a condition of the Motorplan contract that they can do this.

So technically they are in the right...it sucks but that's the contract.

Anyways give them what for anyway.

Yep... I did modify the car and they are within their rights.
Now they will meet there obligations elsewhere. This for me is a clear case of what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. They wish to play the contract game then they should have made sure that i did not have any other cars under Motorplan. As i do have cars under motorplan I too can reciprocate and play the same game with them.

Them's the rubs... you play with the bull you get the horns... and they caught me at the perfectly wrong time. I am not in the mood for their cr@p:)

Cheers
Nick
 
M

Mike1

Guest
So hows the Discovery treating you Nick? :rollsmile:

Really surprised, well actually I am not... BMW need to do something or else.
 

Mamba

Member
Good luck, I fought them for two years and got nowhere, I did not give up as such but decided to take them on on a different level...


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