Avi135 said:
WIDEOPN-X3 said:
Started to write a detailed repost then thought f*** it.... Simply impossible to alter someone's mind that's already made up and doesn't want to be confused with facts.
PS : Realise the following. The vast majority of the minority cannot and will not go anywhere else. So either kill us or accept us but understand that the majority of the minority did not grow up with a silver spoon in their mouths contrary to popular myth spread by the likes of Juju and his ilk.
It is not my fault that I grew up in a home with 4 family members in stead of 10. I had 2 children instead of 6...
I started working very young and have worked my ass off for what I have. I never once felt entitled to anything and indeed have never expected anything to be given to me for free. Sad reality is that there are now millions of people who have now been brainwashed into believing the country owes them for their struggles.
Good luck with that. When you have f*** all better to do one day take a trip to any of the "free" African countries north of our borders and check out the how they eat their freedom. The masses are a comodiity and a means of ensuring power for the elite.
For a seemingly educated individual you make some worrying statements.....
Bud, I don't think anyone believes that you or anyone else was born with a silver spoon in your mouth. But please don't dismiss the fact that being white under the apartheid government was an advantage for you or your parents. It's insulting to say the least.
I get it, you worked damn hard, I do too. Sometimes you don't realize the advantages you had or white individuals in general.
Many successful black individuals with well paying jobs are still not "ahead" in life because they are building homes for their families back in the rural areas and taking care of their parents and brothers and sisters. I am not saying all, just using an example
It's not an attack on you, and I hope it didn't come across that way. I just don't like listening to the fact that the ANC is allowing a black person to benefit it now suddenly is a problem.
Nobody should ask you to leave this country it's your home and it's mine too.
Let's deal in some uncomfortable truths.
1994 - white population - est 5 191 000
- black population - est 23 000 000
2018 - white population - est 4 490 000
- black population - est 41 000 000 (+)
This is available through any number of sources online ranging from census figures to research estimates. I make no comment on the strict accuracy of the figures however the exact figures won't impact significantly on the argument.
I reiterate my point above that I grew up in a family of 4. I had a family of 3 in my first marriage and I have a child with my second wife. 4 people.
Our dear char lady who is the sweetest soul.....6 children 3 different fathers
Our landscape manager.....awesome man for whom I have great respect as a human being - 7 kids
Do you really want me to spell out the reason why there are the levels of unemployment that there are??
Do you really need me to spell out the reason that poverty is at the levels that it is at?
The liberal take is usually along the lines of "well poor education of the disadvantaged means that they have no opportunities and that's why they are living in poverty"
Erm.... well perhaps there is some truth in the statement regarding education however what I will never be able to get my head around is how people will continue to create mouths to feed when they don't have the means to do so and THEN make it the problem of someone else by expecting hand outs. At what stage does one say feck off and take responsibility for your own actions.
This is what I alluded to in my previous post however because population demographics are an inconvenient truth it is side-stepped at best or the fault of apartheid at worst. Please help me understand that....
The fact remains that the entire continent is littered with examples. Why will we be different if we talk the same path our Northern "success stories" have taken?
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It's not an attack on you, and I hope it didn't come across that way. I just don't like listening to the fact that the ANC is allowing a black person to benefit it now suddenly is a problem.
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No offence taken however I want to take issue with the bit after ANC in the sentence above.
The ANC are indeed allowing black people to benefit and I have no problem with that at all.
However, hears an example of the ANC benefication system at work.
Dept of Agriculture KZN hires 4 buses to run employs to and from work. Each employee making use of the service pays R120 per month. Of course the department subsidises the cost. Good for them. The cost of the buses?? R1 MILLION per month. Yes that's right R1 MILLION for 4 buses for 5 days a week. R11 363 per bus per day.
Then one kicks the hornets nest and discovers that the person in charge of awarding the contract gets R100k cash payment every month.
To benefit black people the department could purchase 4 buses. 4 drivers jobs created. Mechanics to maintain - jobs created. Never going to get close to R11k per bus per day:rage:
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The biggest problem in SA is not the ANC, Government, Affirmative Action, Land Expropriation or any other policy, The problem is with those that feel entitled, grew up with that sense of entitlement and now in a free and fair society without that entitlement sit back and complain. For me, that is the Cancer that SA must rid itself off.
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SAA Bankrupt employment agency - bail outs heading towards R15 billion
Eskom - Heading down the SAA path
Are these failures the result of the cancer YOU speak of or the cANCer I speak of??
Both the aforementioned SoE's have been driven into the ground by ineptitude, greed, mismanagement and corruption.
Let me at once add that Coleman Andrews played a big part in the SAA debacle but in that regard, he was simply part of the alarming trend that sees CEO's on contracts worth millions that are often terminated early due to non-performance.
The CEO then gets paid out in full while a new contractor is installed at an even bigger cost. What happened to employed CEO's answerable to a board of directors and shareholders and who got FIRED if they failed??
As has been said here, opinions will never find common ground on this subject because in my opinion there is a sense of entitlement that has been cultivated by the current ruling party based on unrealistic and unsustainable models. Keep making the same promises every 5 yrs and now because the electorate (masses) have woken up to your BS you create a new diversion.....go back to mid 80's mentality and blame the whites.
Difference is of course that in the 80's it was justified because of an evil system perpetuated by a narrow minded corrupt clique......*gazes into the distance*...... the more things change the more they stay the same :dunnoanymore:
RAArmstrong said:
Long and the short of it really is this:
Fuel price is going up ALOT. It sucks ass. It's going to hurt most of us in the pocket alot over the next few months. We can but hope it gets better.
Political debate here always ends with alot of hurt feelings, negative rep points and bans. It's not worth it.
We all live here. SA is our home. Hell, I hold an EU passport and have the option to leave should I wish. I don't want to. Every time I think about it, it saddens me to the point of tears. I'm a born and bred South African, I love my country, its a country like no other.
We need more South Africans to cross the racial and cultural divide and identify not as black or white or english or afrikaans, but as South Africans. If we can do that, we can start to heal as a nation and build on what is already an incredible nation.
100% - interesting factoid. In Rwanda, it is now an offence to call oneself Hutu or Tutsi - one is simply Rwandan. Klaar . Period. End of.
Isn't that refreshing. The result. a lot of positive healing in a country ripped apart by a mass genocide around the same time as our first democratic election.
Makes one think doesn't it.....
