Who is going to march on Friday the 7th April - now Wednesday 12 April

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It will always be a race issue to some :smashScreen:

 

[Tinuva]

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/breaking-fitch-downgrades-sa-to-junk-status-20170407

 

[Lizzard]

Max Du Preez wrote: "if only the white people of south africa were all as passionate about the removal of apartheid laws back then as they are about Jacob Zuma and his Corruption cronies, this country would be far"

I couldn't agree more with him and this analogy can be extend to feesmustfall, unemployment, poverty, inequality, service delivery protests etc..

Corruption in government has always been rife, Zuma has always been President since 2009. now that he (Zuma) is fiddling with the economy (which is still predominantly still in white hands thanks to apartheid laws) there is an uprising.. don't get me wrong, I don't like him one bit and would love to see him gone.. In a nutshell what I'm saying is that it is human nature to seek an advantage, to preserve that advantage.. human beings will only revolt when they are touched on their studio..

Hence we saw the "feesmustfall" movement having fewer white people and fewer black middle class than with the current call.. there is also fewer of US with other protests in the country as they do not affect us in our High Walls..

I am all for Radical Economic Transformation.. but I also question the timing and the reasoning! it is surely being used for wrong reasons. why now? since 2009 he has been silent on it. why now? because his term is coming to end and only now he is trying to be relevant in the eyes of the ANC voters. because it is a perfect excuse to fight "white monopoly capital" as they put it, and capture the treasury for himself and his associates (Guptas and them) and not for the benefit of South Africans (especially previously disadvantaged).

Unfortunately only the ANC and its Alliance partners can remove Zuma. Other than that the ANC will suffer the consequences on the ballot in the next national elections, as was seen with the local elections.

I love the ANC so much that I had to vote against it in the previous elections, to punish them and shake them up.. Clearly they have not learnt and are still protecting Zuma, and for that I will meet them at the polls. I still believe in the ANC and its policies..

Why are we always taking things to the next step if I may ask. This thing that is happening today is for the economy which impacts on all of us. Yes I see your point about why didnt we protest, aka toy toy in the streets with all the other strikes and all I can say is that we are different when it comes to resolving an issue. We dont toy toy, and that is a given and that isnt part of our culture. We however do sit down and discuss the matter at hand and see what options is laid out before us and which direction we need to take it, aka a different approach.

Please dont make this day now about why we whites didnt do something like strike when the other things happened. Our cultures differs for this current generation as we were brought up differently. How do you know that the white people didnt do anything with the other strikes, cause there was no whites in the street toy toying. Just remember we are looking at things in different ways than each other.

And please for the sake of today, dont mix this with previous events. This day is where we stand together for the growth of the country.

 

[GoCart]

This day is where we stand together for the growth of the country.

This statement raise: as we (all of use, regardless of color) are South Africans.

 

[maleven-GP]

Max Du Preez wrote: "if only the white people of south africa were all as passionate about the removal of apartheid laws back then as they are about Jacob Zuma and his Corruption cronies, this country would be far"

I couldn't agree more with him and this analogy can be extend to feesmustfall, unemployment, poverty, inequality, service delivery protests etc..

Corruption in government has always been rife, Zuma has always been President since 2009. now that he (Zuma) is fiddling with the economy (which is still predominantly still in white hands thanks to apartheid laws) there is an uprising.. don't get me wrong, I don't like him one bit and would love to see him gone.. In a nutshell what I'm saying is that it is human nature to seek an advantage, to preserve that advantage.. human beings will only revolt when they are touched on their studio..

Hence we saw the "feesmustfall" movement having fewer white people and fewer black middle class than with the current call.. there is also fewer of US with other protests in the country as they do not affect us in our High Walls..

I am all for Radical Economic Transformation.. but I also question the timing and the reasoning! it is surely being used for wrong reasons. why now? since 2009 he has been silent on it. why now? because his term is coming to end and only now he is trying to be relevant in the eyes of the ANC voters. because it is a perfect excuse to fight "white monopoly capital" as they put it, and capture the treasury for himself and his associates (Guptas and them) and not for the benefit of South Africans (especially previously disadvantaged).

Unfortunately only the ANC and its Alliance partners can remove Zuma. Other than that the ANC will suffer the consequences on the ballot in the next national elections, as was seen with the local elections.

I love the ANC so much that I had to vote against it in the previous elections, to punish them and shake them up.. Clearly they have not learnt and are still protecting Zuma, and for that I will meet them at the polls. I still believe in the ANC and its policies..

Why are we always taking things to the next step if I may ask. This thing that is happening today is for the economy which impacts on all of us. Yes I see your point about why didnt we protest, aka toy toy in the streets with all the other strikes and all I can say is that we are different when it comes to resolving an issue. We dont toy toy, and that is a given and that isnt part of our culture. We however do sit down and discuss the matter at hand and see what options is laid out before us and which direction we need to take it, aka a different approach.

Please dont make this day now about why we whites didnt do something like strike when the other things happened. Our cultures differs for this current generation as we were brought up differently. How do you know that the white people didnt do anything with the other strikes, cause there was no whites in the street toy toying. Just remember we are looking at things in different ways than each other.

And please for the sake of today, dont mix this with previous events. This day is where we stand together for the growth of the country.

IN BOLD.. I included myself as a black middle citizen..
marching = protesting = toyi-toyi

 

[vjx]

what's next?

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

what's next?

A great deal of hardship and suffering. The poorest people will suffer most but their voices are lost because they have no forum to be heard. At the 2019 polls the ANC will again win the rural areas where people are told who to vote for.

The anger in the urban areas will dissipate as middle class folks focus their energy on trying to keep their houses, cars and flatscreen TV and food on the table (ironically that's probably the order of priority for many). The dissipation of anger for the reasons stated is coupled with the desperate knowledge that regime change won't be effected through the ballot. Why? Well that's because a significant proportion of the middle class referred to would still rather vote ANC or not at all than vote for the opposition which sadly remains as perceived to be a "white" party in the case of the DA.

As a white 46 yrs old male I don't feel welcomed in the EFF even if I agreed with their policies.

The wealthy will continue with their lives as they do now largely insulated from the rest of us or they will simply emigrate for 6 months at a time. Yes it's possible to do this because one can get a 180 visitors visa for example for the UK and after 180 days you come home for 2 weeks (for exampl) and then go back. If you have the money to do it then you also have the money to live at 25 to 30 ZAR to GBP 1.00 without breaking a sweat. I personally know 3 families that do this at present.

So the future isn't bright. The ANC MPs are protecting their R2bar per annum salary packets for another 18mnths and the unemployed poorly educated rabble that fills the ranks of the ANCYL will "die to defend" their Masters.

Have a great day folks

 

[Fruks]

Let's not loose sight of the fact that we're all here because we all love cars, and the world is not Black and White.

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

Let's not loose sight of the fact that we're all here because we all love cars, and the world is not Black and White.

Agreed re black and white so have a look at the edit to my previous post.

This is of course just my opinion.

 

[vjx]

Mid class have very little ability to move away from SA.
As the currency depreciate and PPI drops, mid class can be moved to relative poor situation if looking around other countries.
Sad to hear it.

 

[individj]

So went to the march on Friday..was amazing! if we can get the vote of no confidence anonymous..there's a chance..after Zuma of course we have to focus on the ANC ..they are absoluelty useless & corrupt.

 

[PLV]

Joined the motorbikes to Church Square and Union Buildings... was truly amazing to see all the support.

As you say no confidence vote absolutely has to be anonymous - otherwise no chance of that for now...

I am trying my best to be cautiously optimistic that sanity will prevail at some stage - but the realist in me is fighting that hard!

Tough times ahead guys... but will still try make the best of it...

 

[ChefDJ]

Speaker of Parliament has already denied an anonymous vote of no confidence.

 

[individj]

done this morning?!

 

[ChefDJ]

A few days ago...

Mbete refuses secret ballot for Zuma no confidence vote

National Assembly Speaker Baleka Mbete has rejected a request to vote by secret ballot during the motion of no confidence against President Jacob Zuma.

On Thursday, UDM leader Bantu Holomisa threatened to go to court if Mbete failed to respond or refused the opposition's request.

He says there have been threats of intimidation deterring ANC MPs from voting against Zuma.

The motion of no confidence debate has been set down for a special sitting of Parliament on 18 April.

Holomisa says opposition parties are duty-bound to seek another legal remedy.

Source

 

[Divio]

Went to Newtown, CBD (seen a small ANC March there) and Sandton..

Missed out most of the action being at work but this is what I seen..

Love the capture of the woman on the steps...

 

[Major]

Speaker of Parliament has already denied an anonymous vote of no confidence.

I didn't think it would happen anyway. Parliament would have to decide, first by a non-anonymous vote, whether members should be allowed to vote anonymously. Anybody voting in favour would get the same treatment.

 

[Lizzard]

Think the question is more why is the speaker denying the secret vote, isnt she suppose to give a valid reason behind her denying :thinking:

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

The speaker is where the Zuma capture begins. She is a leader of the pro Zuma camp.

End of story. Short and sweet....

 

[WIDEOPN-X5]

I see Zuma couldn't help himself today. In the absence of any other educated response to the marches and the underlying message from Joe Public that he is being asked to go what does he resort to? Racist.....the marches were Racist.

The ANC clearly has missed the message too. The individual ie head of country and head of state is asked to step down. NOT THE PARTY.

Ffs can they not see it? The individual has gone rogue. He's doing his own thing. Previously despite the prerogative being that of the president to select his cabinet, there was always in the past consultation with at the very least the "top 6". This time not so much.

This leads Gwede Jellyfish to state on the Friday after that "the list was compiled elsewhere ".... he didn't say Saxonwold Shebeen but it was implied.

Three days later he retracts that and actually on national and international television says. "We must lie about things to show unity" ......okay he said something about blue eyes and walking into poles but the message is clear. Despite the obvious being obvious we'll develop a narrative to repudiate the obvious.

Wow..... just...... WOW.