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Read the WELCOME ALL BMWFANATICS post.
msm
Well-known member
Ok - so I got to see one in the metal this week. Did not get a chance to drive it but don't think I'm going to bother....
Sat in the drivers seat and the perceived build quality of this thing is shocking cr@p - no other way to say it. For R300K, I'd rather buy a 2/3 year old 335i/330d and know that I have a car that is built much better. Even if you look around in the engine bay, it looks like it was put together in a shed - can't put a finger on exactly what was wrong, but it was just not right. I'd be scared to sneeze near this car in case something falls off ...
Initial judgement :thumbdo:
Might be a great drivers car, but sorry, not for me.
Sat in the drivers seat and the perceived build quality of this thing is shocking cr@p - no other way to say it. For R300K, I'd rather buy a 2/3 year old 335i/330d and know that I have a car that is built much better. Even if you look around in the engine bay, it looks like it was put together in a shed - can't put a finger on exactly what was wrong, but it was just not right. I'd be scared to sneeze near this car in case something falls off ...
Initial judgement :thumbdo:
Might be a great drivers car, but sorry, not for me.
Sabretooth tiger
///Member
My boss' son bought one, he says it makes no sense, build quality is not good, too much plastic inside, no boot space, its cramped in the back, even for small kids. But he says the drive is awesome.
Mortifer
New member
I will rather wait for this one.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/subaru/2014-subaru-brz-sti-ar127134.html
Instead of driving a Toyota with a Subaru engine in it!!! :thumbs:
O yes and in America it is branded under Scoin also there model name is the FR-S but still the same car.
http://www.scion.com/cars/FR-S/
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/subaru/2014-subaru-brz-sti-ar127134.html
Instead of driving a Toyota with a Subaru engine in it!!! :thumbs:
O yes and in America it is branded under Scoin also there model name is the FR-S but still the same car.
http://www.scion.com/cars/FR-S/
Major
Active member
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The comparison between this car and a used Cayman obviously only applies in the UK, you're looking at upwards of a half-mil to buy a used Cayman here. But see what he has to say about the car itself.
The comparison between this car and a used Cayman obviously only applies in the UK, you're looking at upwards of a half-mil to buy a used Cayman here. But see what he has to say about the car itself.
The Subaru BRZ isn't 4WD, and I very seriously doubt they would introduce a 4WD version with the STi either.Space86 said:
rayven_king
New member
I'll still rather have a 370z
question really is do you buy a car for the numbers or how it makes you feel...
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wikk3d88
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moranor@axis said:
That pretty much sums up what the 86 is all about
Major
Active member
So I drove the Subaru BRZ today, thought I'd review it. I only had it in my hands for 10 or so minutes with a salesperson chilling on my left shoulder, so it's hard to say for sure how I feel about this thing, I would like to drive it again for longer by myself and on some twisty roads. Salesperson dictated the route and, honestly, made a hash of it. Speed bumps, straight main roads, school zones, traffic, really not the point of a test drive. I think the most exhilarating part was a traffic circle. Would give it a second go if I could drive by myself.
The car is so low it feels strange, you literally feel like you're sitting on a moving mattress that's on the floor, and I felt like the car was pointing upwards towards the nose (feels like the current Z4, with a shorter bonnet and lower down). I'm not a total fan of this kind of position. I know its merits and that it gives this car awesome handling, but as a seating position it feels odd, there's no easy way to describe it. I feel like I should be sitting in something the size of a go-kart, but it's a car, almost makes me claustrophobic, I get the same thing in an MX5. I remember hating the seating position in the Z4 as well, you feel like you're trying to command a plank of wood that's stretching out in front of you. And if your girlfriend/wife/mistress/mother is in the car with a skirt on, she is straight up showing the world what she's working with when she gets out. The door sills on this thing are level with your hips and wide, you have a bit of trouble getting out and really have to throw your legs out. The seats will not stand up to this abuse long term.
Power is obviously underwhelming at WOT, but it kicks itself in the ass at 5000RPM to redline where it comes to life. That being said it isn't exciting. If I strangled this engine to death on some twisty roads bouncing off the limiter I'm sure I'd discover the car's soul, but I couldn't obviously do that, so on the straights I wasn't impressed. If you do a pull from 2nd below 5k you will die waiting for this thing to come to life, felt like 4th. I think this car would be magical on some twisty roads by the coast, but not up here in the city. I'm not a big fan of the intake tube that runs into the cabin for extra "vrooms", sounds odd and artificial to me.
You very much feel like the car's centre of gravity when you're sitting in this thing, but I'm coming from a wafty, bouncy castle of a Hyundai Elantra with bad shocks so this thing feels very tight, and pivots around your ass. I don't like shunting the car around corners with a salesperson so I can't really comment on how it was in the bends, but the few corners I did sweep this thing through it felt very positive. Never felt that this thing's electronic steering was lying to me, seemed natural at all the different speeds and communicative. The car is quite stiff over rough surfaces, a bit noisy and "clunky" coming from inside over bumps. As a daily driver in traffic I think this car is a little too "tight" and takes itself too seriously.
Love the throw on the gearlever, literally feels like they're all 3cm apart and they're easy to catch, but the positioning is quite far and high for my tastes (but you'd get used to it and I understand it's for track). Clutch is very short and nippy, brakes are firm but gradual and doesn't suddenly break your neck. I don't really focus on a car's interior I must be honest, I'm not comfort orientated. Cars are very much a source of entertainment, travel and just plain driving for me. To me, the car has an awesome interior and it doesn't look cheap, everything is where you want it. At the end of the day I drive looking at the road, not my interior. Cupholders everywhere! I've sat in all manner of BMW's while working there and I didn't sit in this thing and cough up blood, it's OK in my opinion, but interiors aren't my thing. Stereo is decent. Had no issues with space in this car at a lanky 6'4". Not quite sure what the point of the rear seats were, can't fit my hand behind the seat when I'm in it. As for the front seats, I was kind of missing some support on my sides, but it's definitely decent in stock trim with suede inserts. Out of all the things to piss me off, it has to be the speed dial. 0km/h starts at 5 o'clock and all the speeds are bunched together in small text, I felt I had to use the digital gauge to get an accurate idea of how fast I was going.
The big question is, would I buy it? The BRZ is only going to come to South Africa in the Limited spec (basically High spec for the Toyota 86), at around R372k. Now you tell me, what's in that price range? The entire hot hatch market, you can't ignore it, and it's right in there with the 125i and that's 70k up on the low spec 86. Sure, this thing is the RWD, LSD-equipped, lightweight go-kart that the world has waited for, but at that price? Ouch. The hot hatches, especially in JHB, mince this car for speed, and you'd have to be on a pretty windy piece of road to extract the "point" of the BRZ over a hot hatch where you can be quick everywhere. The BRZ is good in and of itself, no doubt, but is it hot-hatch-beating good in their own price-range? I'm not so sure. Not for utility, seating, space and speed.
Handling isn't the be-all-and-end-all of car purchases. If you fully intend on wringing this cars neck every day you've got a winner, but even then you have to seriously consider how much you value handling over power and torque, which is a harder argument in Joburg. If you plan on modifying this car in terms of power once you're used to it my argument is mute, but that applies to a Citi Golf too. Is R372k worth it as a base price for some fun? When the fun stops and you need a means of transport, was fun worth it?
The car is so low it feels strange, you literally feel like you're sitting on a moving mattress that's on the floor, and I felt like the car was pointing upwards towards the nose (feels like the current Z4, with a shorter bonnet and lower down). I'm not a total fan of this kind of position. I know its merits and that it gives this car awesome handling, but as a seating position it feels odd, there's no easy way to describe it. I feel like I should be sitting in something the size of a go-kart, but it's a car, almost makes me claustrophobic, I get the same thing in an MX5. I remember hating the seating position in the Z4 as well, you feel like you're trying to command a plank of wood that's stretching out in front of you. And if your girlfriend/wife/mistress/mother is in the car with a skirt on, she is straight up showing the world what she's working with when she gets out. The door sills on this thing are level with your hips and wide, you have a bit of trouble getting out and really have to throw your legs out. The seats will not stand up to this abuse long term.
Power is obviously underwhelming at WOT, but it kicks itself in the ass at 5000RPM to redline where it comes to life. That being said it isn't exciting. If I strangled this engine to death on some twisty roads bouncing off the limiter I'm sure I'd discover the car's soul, but I couldn't obviously do that, so on the straights I wasn't impressed. If you do a pull from 2nd below 5k you will die waiting for this thing to come to life, felt like 4th. I think this car would be magical on some twisty roads by the coast, but not up here in the city. I'm not a big fan of the intake tube that runs into the cabin for extra "vrooms", sounds odd and artificial to me.
You very much feel like the car's centre of gravity when you're sitting in this thing, but I'm coming from a wafty, bouncy castle of a Hyundai Elantra with bad shocks so this thing feels very tight, and pivots around your ass. I don't like shunting the car around corners with a salesperson so I can't really comment on how it was in the bends, but the few corners I did sweep this thing through it felt very positive. Never felt that this thing's electronic steering was lying to me, seemed natural at all the different speeds and communicative. The car is quite stiff over rough surfaces, a bit noisy and "clunky" coming from inside over bumps. As a daily driver in traffic I think this car is a little too "tight" and takes itself too seriously.
Love the throw on the gearlever, literally feels like they're all 3cm apart and they're easy to catch, but the positioning is quite far and high for my tastes (but you'd get used to it and I understand it's for track). Clutch is very short and nippy, brakes are firm but gradual and doesn't suddenly break your neck. I don't really focus on a car's interior I must be honest, I'm not comfort orientated. Cars are very much a source of entertainment, travel and just plain driving for me. To me, the car has an awesome interior and it doesn't look cheap, everything is where you want it. At the end of the day I drive looking at the road, not my interior. Cupholders everywhere! I've sat in all manner of BMW's while working there and I didn't sit in this thing and cough up blood, it's OK in my opinion, but interiors aren't my thing. Stereo is decent. Had no issues with space in this car at a lanky 6'4". Not quite sure what the point of the rear seats were, can't fit my hand behind the seat when I'm in it. As for the front seats, I was kind of missing some support on my sides, but it's definitely decent in stock trim with suede inserts. Out of all the things to piss me off, it has to be the speed dial. 0km/h starts at 5 o'clock and all the speeds are bunched together in small text, I felt I had to use the digital gauge to get an accurate idea of how fast I was going.
The big question is, would I buy it? The BRZ is only going to come to South Africa in the Limited spec (basically High spec for the Toyota 86), at around R372k. Now you tell me, what's in that price range? The entire hot hatch market, you can't ignore it, and it's right in there with the 125i and that's 70k up on the low spec 86. Sure, this thing is the RWD, LSD-equipped, lightweight go-kart that the world has waited for, but at that price? Ouch. The hot hatches, especially in JHB, mince this car for speed, and you'd have to be on a pretty windy piece of road to extract the "point" of the BRZ over a hot hatch where you can be quick everywhere. The BRZ is good in and of itself, no doubt, but is it hot-hatch-beating good in their own price-range? I'm not so sure. Not for utility, seating, space and speed.
Handling isn't the be-all-and-end-all of car purchases. If you fully intend on wringing this cars neck every day you've got a winner, but even then you have to seriously consider how much you value handling over power and torque, which is a harder argument in Joburg. If you plan on modifying this car in terms of power once you're used to it my argument is mute, but that applies to a Citi Golf too. Is R372k worth it as a base price for some fun? When the fun stops and you need a means of transport, was fun worth it?
Chavoos
Active member
Great handling car, awesome to drive in the twisties.
However the suspension is bit of an overkill for that measly 147kW.
Buiild quality is typical Toyota, plasticky but not to bad.
Some stats:
It did a 16.2 quarter mile at Matubatuba :blab::biglol:
Top speed for the auto version is 210km/h :nonono:, tested by topcar. I think this is close to the 20v corolla rsi, which is a 1600 from 1997 . :fencelook:
However the suspension is bit of an overkill for that measly 147kW.
Buiild quality is typical Toyota, plasticky but not to bad.
Some stats:
It did a 16.2 quarter mile at Matubatuba :blab::biglol:
Top speed for the auto version is 210km/h :nonono:, tested by topcar. I think this is close to the 20v corolla rsi, which is a 1600 from 1997 . :fencelook:
Fordkoppie
///Member
Its usually old or fat people who complain about a low seating position
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wikk3d88
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Chavoos said:
15.8 actually. Was tested quicker at gerotek tho, oddly enough
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Dippies
Guest
///Shaun said:
:biglol::biglol:
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