M3 vs 335i?

[Coupe Turbo GP]

:biglol: ..... That diesel kicks ass! Watch out!! It's a trap! :roflol:

hahahhaha

You see now you gonna start rumours. We just looking to test the cars out. No politically discussions etc

His M sounds strong to be taking out X35s etc We just wanna test and see how we fair against a strong M.

I rekon you need to bring your M as well , not to race but for me to take and go put in my garage :lol:

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Lol 250whp 650+ wnm! no thank you hahaha! Im still stock bru! i will give it a try once i add some masala, ginger an garlic, bay leafs etc to the ///M hahahahahaha. But at the reef i still might catch a hiding.

Dyno figures are for tuning mate , on the road we all know driver skills is what is needed. I had loads of fun in my ///M , just wanna experience that again. We run for fun dude not for this I won/lost stories.

Honestly I hardly even race the Diesel , I look forward more to driving DVST8s Z3 M powered car , its just more fun.

:joy:

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I never said i beat x35i's, but i give them a hard time, stock vs's stock

For sure my bru. I will join you guys some time for some fun.


I managed a best of 14.4 last Saturday at ODI. Traction was crap and for a stock 14 year old car to run that time, Its pretty impressive if you ask me


EDIT:............. and 215km/h on the 1km

 

[///Shaun]

For sure my bru. I will join you guys some time for some fun.


I managed a best of 14.4 last Saturday at ODI. Traction was crap and for a stock 14 year old car to run that time, Its pretty impressive if you ask me


EDIT:............. and 215km/h on the 1km

Thats strong dude. 14.4 is quiet decent..

Do exhaust , intake , diff and hello mids 13s. Trust me on this....

:idea:

 

[BrandonF1]

my cab is pretty healthy though 234.6whp and 287wnm at KAR.

Wanna try a Diesel....just asking so please dont shoot me here

:fencelook:

Can i also try this M......:=):

I know i will lose. But for the fun of it why not :fencelook:

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Ok... I drive a e36 M3 3.2 stock except for a decat and k&n airfilter. I ran a 335i cabrio on the highway that was most probably stock and he couldn’t pass me. I was cruising at 120km/h he drove up my rear bumper looking for a race as I was in the middle lane and he could have passed on the right. I dropped from 6th to 4th and hit the loud pedal and instantly pulled a car and a half on him, into 5th and he managed to close half a car, @around 230 or so the //M starts slowly creeping away from the 335 and it stayed like that until 240km/h when I had to tap off for my off-ramp.

I also ran a 135i auto with the upgraded exhaust from BMW @ ODI. I thought I was going to get broken! 1st gear his by my back door, 2nd gear his by my fender, by the end of 3rd gear there was a fender length between the cars over the quarter mile. I have video footage of the run.

What’s funny about the ///M is that it doesn’t feel as fast as it really is. The only time you realize how fast the car is, is when you open up a can of whip ass on modded hot hatches etc.

So Peertjies well done your run.

Hey bud, I am assuming this was at the coast?

Nope up on the reef bru. my cab is pretty healthy though 234.6whp and 287wnm at KAR.

This means you cab is running roughly 240kw and 390nm at the fly wheel (calculated here: http://www.maxauto.co.za/CntView.aspx?CatID=37&CntID=271). Your car stock when brand new was quoted at 236 kW (321 PS; 316 hp) 350 N·m (258 lb·ft) taken off wiki. That means your car of 14 years old makes more power than brand new. I would say that's very healthy almost impossible to believe, but you made the figures raise: a 135i stock is quoted at 225 kw and 400nm so based on your cars current power you should be taking them......or run close

There you go: http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=36745


I ran M135i thats on this forum at ODI and it was pretty close. You can ask him if i'm bullshitting


My best friend had a Megane R26 RS and it was murder on the dance floor when ever we ran.

Lol! quick edit for the 4th time. 234.6whp = 173wkw according to the max auto site

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Your car runs insanely well for a 14 year old car and in my opinion a "freak out of the bunch", :thumbs: Who was is your friend maybe I know him? I am on the RS forum as well, Megane RS's are not known for their straight line speeds, although I do have 1 e46 M3 under my belt but then again I am far from stock (Here is my run http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=26784). I am not here to point out whether or not you're bullshitting, I am however saying that your car is def an exception.....I doubt many pre 2000 m3's are running as well as your car with so little done to it. Your power figures tell the story and it makes sense you can roll with the x35's.....

 

[///Shaun]

@ Brandon theres lots fo E36Ms on this forum that make similar power and have run similar times. Some even less power and lower times. Not so long ago there was a few of us peddling these cars into mid 13s at Tarlton and ODI. Its a ///M car it will alway deliver no matter the age

 

[Coupe Turbo GP]

For sure my bru. I will join you guys some time for some fun.


I managed a best of 14.4 last Saturday at ODI. Traction was crap and for a stock 14 year old car to run that time, Its pretty impressive if you ask me


EDIT:............. and 215km/h on the 1km

Thats strong dude. 14.4 is quiet decent..

Do exhaust , intake , diff and hello mids 13s. Trust me on this....

:idea:

Thanks Shaun. The car does have a DIY "back Yard" intake lol! de-restricted the box and 80mm aircon flexi hose that runs from the bumper break duct into the airbox :biglol: To be honest i felt the difference before and after.

Coming soon: Software, diff and maybe cams

 

[///Shaun]

Thanks Shaun. The car does have a DIY "back Yard" intake lol! de-restricted the box and 80mm aircon flexi hose that runs from the bumper break duct into the airbox :biglol: To be honest i felt the difference before and after.

Coming soon: Software, diff and maybe cams

That DIY is 100% correct. Works very well. Dont waste your time with aftermarket filters , stock works best. (leave the restrictor in the box - circle shaped that feeds to the trottles)

Do the exhaust buddy and you will unleash the beast inside.

Diff , cams etc at a later stage.

Heres what this car can do: exhaust , intake
http://www.clipmoon.com/videos/202341f/mos1ted-vs-chevy-ss.html

Sorry to the others for the jack.

 

[Coupe Turbo GP]

my cab is pretty healthy though 234.6whp and 287wnm at KAR.

Wanna try a Diesel....just asking so please dont shoot me here

:fencelook:

Can i also try this M......:=):

I know i will lose. But for the fun of it why not :fencelook:

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Hey bud, I am assuming this was at the coast?

Nope up on the reef bru. my cab is pretty healthy though 234.6whp and 287wnm at KAR.

This means you cab is running roughly 240kw and 390nm at the fly wheel (calculated here: http://www.maxauto.co.za/CntView.aspx?CatID=37&CntID=271). Your car stock when brand new was quoted at 236 kW (321 PS; 316 hp) 350 N·m (258 lb·ft) taken off wiki. That means your car of 14 years old makes more power than brand new. I would say that's very healthy almost impossible to believe, but you made the figures raise: a 135i stock is quoted at 225 kw and 400nm so based on your cars current power you should be taking them......or run close

There you go: http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=36745


I ran M135i thats on this forum at ODI and it was pretty close. You can ask him if i'm bullshitting


My best friend had a Megane R26 RS and it was murder on the dance floor when ever we ran.

Lol! quick edit for the 4th time. 234.6whp = 173wkw according to the max auto site

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Your car runs insanely well for a 14 year old car and in my opinion a "freak out of the bunch", :thumbs: Who was is your friend maybe I know him? I am on the RS forum as well, Megane RS's are not known for their straight line speeds, although I do have 1 e46 M3 under my belt but then again I am far from stock (Here is my run http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=26784). I am not here to point out whether or not you're bullshitting, I am however saying that your car is def an exception.....I doubt many pre 2000 m3's are running as well as your car with so little done to it. Your power figures tell the story and it makes sense you can roll with the x35's.....

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Thanks bud.

I still think with better traction i could run a 14.0 with the current setup. Launching at 1500 rpm the car would come of the line sideways because i had an extra mm or 2 of that liquid rubber stuff on my tyres. I tried burning it off the last 2 runs and that helped.

 

[BrandonF1]

@ Brandon theres lots fo E36Ms on this forum that make similar power and have run similar times. Some even less power and lower times. Not so long ago there was a few of us peddling these cars into mid 13s at Tarlton and ODI. Its a ///M car it will alway deliver no matter the age

Thanks for input shaun, amazing how these cars hold up so well.

 

[Peertjies]

Thanks Shaun. The car does have a DIY "back Yard" intake lol! de-restricted the box and 80mm aircon flexi hose that runs from the bumper break duct into the airbox :biglol: To be honest i felt the difference before and after.

Coming soon: Software, diff and maybe cams

That DIY is 100% correct. Works very well. Dont waste your time with aftermarket filters , stock works best. (leave the restrictor in the box - circle shaped that feeds to the trottles)

Do the exhaust buddy and you will unleash the beast inside.

Diff , cams etc at a later stage.

Heres what this car can do: exhaust , intake
http://www.clipmoon.com/videos/202341f/mos1ted-vs-chevy-ss.html

Sorry to the others for the jack.

Shaun... When you say do the exhaust...do you mean decat or whole new system starting from the headers?
I thought of just doing a decat on my e46 but that's more for the sound.

 

[///Shaun]

On any ///M car , the power lies in the exhaust setup. Complete system built with the original headers staying intact (I dont believe there is any better headers out there than the one that came from the ///M factory)

The aftermarket exhaust unleashes the HP of a ///M cause of its less restrictive boxes and the bends of the piping that allows exhaust gases to exit faster hence the gain over a stock system.

To appreciate the HP in a ///M car , it has to be driven keeping the car in its powerband. With aftermarket exhaust , keeping the car in its powerband is far more easier as the exhaust allows the car to rev up faster and more freely

Hope this makes sense

 

[Peertjies]

Well it sounds sensible but does one gain hp in loss of torque or doesn't it affect the torque?
Sorry for all the noob questions but I would also love to know what could still be done on the M as she is still stock standard including cats!
I was thinking of a software tune.

 

[Coupe Turbo GP]

Thanks Shaun. The car does have a DIY "back Yard" intake lol! de-restricted the box and 80mm aircon flexi hose that runs from the bumper break duct into the airbox :biglol: To be honest i felt the difference before and after.

Coming soon: Software, diff and maybe cams

That DIY is 100% correct. Works very well. Dont waste your time with aftermarket filters , stock works best. (leave the restrictor in the box - circle shaped that feeds to the trottles)

Do the exhaust buddy and you will unleash the beast inside.

Diff , cams etc at a later stage.

Heres what this car can do: exhaust , intake
http://www.clipmoon.com/videos/202341f/mos1ted-vs-chevy-ss.html

Sorry to the others for the jack.

I apologize aswell guys :fencelook:

I already cut out the restrictor. Exhaust is definitely my next mod.

'The video is not playing for some reason bru.

 

[Josh-ZN]

Though on a serious note, I don't believe this will even be a discussion once the FI M3 is released.

Yes but only because it will be a bit quicker than a tuned x35 robot to robot, otherwise the x35 is a better car all round. :rollsmile::fencelook:

:roflol: sneaky comment that. almost missed it :rollsmile:

the x35i is a better package, not a better car imo. beeeeeeeg difference

 

[///Shaun]

Well it sounds sensible but does one gain hp in loss of torque or doesn't it affect the torque?
Sorry for all the noob questions but I would also love to know what could still be done on the M as she is still stock standard including cats!
I was thinking of a software tune.

No stress , needless to say if it says ///M its got me interested :lol:

With HP comes torque , not massive amounts like a FI car but enough to get the ///M car to breathe. I know i sound like a broken record here but honestly any ///M car needs a full exhaust , this is really where the car releases its HP. Induction added to the breathing is what makes the ///M car unleash its ponies. Software Tuning then takes these mods and helps the ECU read the new values being sent.

All added up together is what makes the ///M a Turbo cars nightmare. Im not saying is going to go beat every Turbo car but I am saying Turbo cars will definitely have to work much harder to be in front (reef). At the coast ///M car with these mods is just serious damage as the car gets to run at its full potential.

Lets just say we as ///M lovers spent lots of time playing with exhaust setups to get our cars to move fast , thats why I can openly say to any ///M owner if they want HP do exhaust , lots of persons refer to it as XPIPE

To answer the question with a graph : http://www.xcedeperformance.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/M3.jpg

hope this makes sense , if not let me know

Damn you Peertjies , I should have just taken the ///M from kabal .I miss have these discussions more and more now

And cause I can ///M FTW baby

:lol:

 

[Peertjies]

Damn...love that graph! Is that just with the Xpipe mod?
If so...how much we talking? And how much discount if I
take you for a spin... :rollsmile:

 

[///Shaun]

will pm you buddy , dont wanna make this a advertising thread.

I love the ///M hence my inputs

:thumbs:

 

[zama]

Lets race..! 135i/335i VS E46M..
You are only allowed to look under the bonnet of the E46M after the race :fencelook: :rollsmile:

 

[Peertjies]

Now I'm curious Zama. What have you got hiding under that bonnet of yours??? mmmmmmm... :blab:

 

[///Shaun]

If its M Turbo.....pics...pics...pics please....

raise:

 

[ASH M]

Except for the CSL and GTS, M's are also mass produced and depreciate almost as bad as other bmw's....:thumbs:

I gave up arguing. I have every comfort feature necessary in a solid high performance car that handles just great for my road use. I leave almost all m3's in my wake (except sherwins) and best of all it didn't cost me near R1mill. No brainer really :fencelook:

Wow just JB4 and no M3 can beat you even at the coast. Your cab's flying. :thumbs:

It takes a +400wkw supercharged M3 to show you a set of pipes.

You racing the wrong M3's/drivers buddy.

Ash, sometimes its best to just let it be.

:rollsmile:

Josh obviously have never had a run on the highway with an M3, it will take a lot more than a map to beat one from 160+.

And since your car isnt stock, it would only be fair to run against a mapped M3 too right?

you're 100% correct but I dont race up to those crazy speeds. you shouldnt either unless you on a track :tease:

map your m3 wont make much difference except leaving a huge hole in your pocket. oh wait, there was already a hole there from the purchase of the m3
:fencelook:

Maybe a run is in order but I think Josh only goes to 120 from what I gather from his posts so you are not going into 3rd gear Ash. :rollsmile: and there race will be over in about 7 seconds.

Just kidding

:roflol: sorry no can do at the moment, i am driving a rent-a-POS as my car is at panel beater

i think my current 0-100km/h time is around 35 seconds in this POS car.

me go over 120km/h? never! there is a spietkop on the forum so i obey the law imp:

@Josh, you're evil :roflol: Just kidding.... This is why I always enjoy the x35 vs M3 debate on the forum amongst us fanatics. :thumbs:

@M Fanatic, I totally get what you are saying. The M3 is just something else on top, let alone the bends.

@Devtri, Yep a run will see him winning the 0-120, and me winning the it from 120- ..... because I prefer to go from like 120 onwards. Looks like we'll be racing our-selves. :roflol:

BTW Josh, i can show you a vid of how I wasted a V10 M5 after wasting my money on SW for the M3, if i can only get permission from the M5 owner to post. :rollsmile:

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Though on a serious note, I don't believe this will even be a discussion once the FI M3 is released.

If its got a highly modded N54 or N55 motor, there will be even more problems trust me.