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illegal drag race crash in Durban
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Dewald Basson
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Kimeran@TheFanatics said:
Don't know about the from the back on a truck, but this suggests you could use a mid mounted car to flip a bus, while braking.
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VictorMike
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Kimeran@TheFanatics said:
Yes, but did your truck end up on its roof on a wall?
To the people asking who won? We are all winners when reckless people get taken off the roads.
WIDEOPN-X5
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WyKiD said:
I was going to keep quiet but feel compelled to "throw an electronic stone".... Chap, I travel on average 44000km per year on the highways and byways of the Durban / Pietermaritzburg region. My car is an extension of my office.
I have been on scene at several gruesome accidents, most of which occur between 22h00 on Friday night and 06h00 on a Saturday morning. A significant portion of these gruesome scenes involve young drivers with big balls and no brains.
An over supply of testosterone which eliminates the ability NOT to take the bait and "dice my bru ekse".... In a lot of the cases as long as the road is straight life is cakes and rainbows but you throw in something like a tightening radius corner or a double apex corner with say a little bump halfway through the corner and these guys run out of talent VERY quickly....
Do you want evidence? Go and look at the concrete barriers on the corners around Umgeni Road / Springfield Park just as an example.
There are of course those drivers who are perhaps skilled and know how their cars are going to behave when at high speed and a "curve ball" is thrown in. But that simply doesn't justify the high speed in quasi suburban roads being shared with traffic that (as I witness on a DAILY basis) does completely unpredictable things.
Things like going from the extreme right lane, across three lanes to take a side road because "last minute dotcom" realised thats where they want to go. Now you have "my bru ekse" in his modified flame spitting exhaust popping hot rod doing 100and plenty coming up on that and he has to swerve....I have seen the consequences. Not nice.
The simple solution. Don't be a dick on the road. Sadly the simple solution is not simple so this is not the first or the last of this type of incident about which we will read in News24 / Fanantics pages / VW Forum etc etc.
When the "my bru ekse" wipes him/herself out alone, that's one thing but when the take out innocent bystanders even if such bystanders did the stupid lane crossing thing described above, that's when sympathy for the "racer" rapidly dissipates.
In closing, if you know the "facts" do please share so that we can all learn and perhaps the "stoning" will stop....
Kimeran
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While I agree it is extremely wrong what these guys were doing (if they were racing), I agree with what was said here earlier. Half the people that are pointing fingers and saying "they got what they deserve blah blah blah," those people were all doing some sort of illegal activity on the road at some point.
Willy
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I have in my life partaken in illegal racing before, I have been there and done that, I have also been through the whole street to strip thing and then onto other forms of Motorsport. People however grow up(well some at least) and maybe have families and start thinking about life differently than before.
My life of racing was however in something I could afford and handle. A classic mini.
Guys these days come out of varsity with 200+ kw cars showing off and they do not have the experience on the road to handle cars like that at their limit.
Thing is, if you race and break the law you should be able to life with the consequences and not expect people to feel sorry for you if you potentially put their or their families lives in danger.
If one of my kids or my wife got hurt during something like this, I would probably be arrested for what I will do. And then someone must not come with this lame line of they where not racing and didn't deserve it.
BS, If you take the risk you must live with the result.
And there where reports of eye witnesses at the scene that said that the two cars where racing. So I tend to think that that is proof that they where in fact racing.
And yes if they have families then I do feel sorry for them as well. because either they did not think of what might happen or their families/friends approved and so must also be able to live with the results.
I am not just a keyboard warrior. I have been there in my life.
There are more than enough legal/organized events to take your car to the limit.
Do not do it on the road.
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My life of racing was however in something I could afford and handle. A classic mini.
Guys these days come out of varsity with 200+ kw cars showing off and they do not have the experience on the road to handle cars like that at their limit.
Thing is, if you race and break the law you should be able to life with the consequences and not expect people to feel sorry for you if you potentially put their or their families lives in danger.
If one of my kids or my wife got hurt during something like this, I would probably be arrested for what I will do. And then someone must not come with this lame line of they where not racing and didn't deserve it.
BS, If you take the risk you must live with the result.
And there where reports of eye witnesses at the scene that said that the two cars where racing. So I tend to think that that is proof that they where in fact racing.
And yes if they have families then I do feel sorry for them as well. because either they did not think of what might happen or their families/friends approved and so must also be able to live with the results.
I am not just a keyboard warrior. I have been there in my life.
There are more than enough legal/organized events to take your car to the limit.
Do not do it on the road.
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The defence is amusing me.
The foto looks like a race gone wrong to the average joe...
He was at illegal racing before the accident....
The cops have taken an interest in the scene....
cruising my butt. If he is innocent it will be a fluke of note.
But not to worry, if innocent the insurance will pay out.
And as for getting what he deserves....those that have raced illegally and got away with it simply did not get what they deserve.
Cause and effect
The foto looks like a race gone wrong to the average joe...
He was at illegal racing before the accident....
The cops have taken an interest in the scene....
cruising my butt. If he is innocent it will be a fluke of note.
But not to worry, if innocent the insurance will pay out.
And as for getting what he deserves....those that have raced illegally and got away with it simply did not get what they deserve.
Cause and effect
WyKiD
Active member
@ wideopn-x3, no specific reference was made in my post but seeing as you felt so compelled to respond....I guess its a case of the shoe fitting.....
You continue to extoll ad nauseam what is known motoring behaviour and appear to be a one trick pony.
I have no facts or links to this incident but merely an empathy for the parties involved...humane sentiment. This outcome may have been a result of their "actions" but who amongst us obeys and follows the rules a 100% of the time.
If your intention is to come across as a condescending blow hard you're succeeding...chap!
You continue to extoll ad nauseam what is known motoring behaviour and appear to be a one trick pony.
I have no facts or links to this incident but merely an empathy for the parties involved...humane sentiment. This outcome may have been a result of their "actions" but who amongst us obeys and follows the rules a 100% of the time.
If your intention is to come across as a condescending blow hard you're succeeding...chap!
Lizzard
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So let me understand this correctly. We are fighting about a stupid thing someone else did.
He DID deserve what he got as when he put his right foot down he already knew the risks and "signed" ownership of that decision. I do agree with you Wykid that maybe we should feel sorry and have condolences for the chap who did this driving, but lets be fair. Would you have that for a stranger when you can see the rules wasnt obeyed. And yes we dont obey the rules 100% but who of us goes and do 100+ km/h in a suburb (not saying the driver here did, well he would have as kinetic energy show us that the VW ended up over a distance up a wall and upside down as well) as you would be the biggest fool of us all. Dont put other people's lives at risk because you want to joyride.
To whoever's friend this vw bloke is, sorry but i hope the law takes a hard turn on him, actually on both these drivers and they dont do this again going forward.
We can throw stones, but remember that enough stones builds a wall or ripples to make a wave. We are all family here on this forum, so please lets do what family do and put this behind us. The driver of both vehicles have loses and have learned the hard way. For us, we can learn from their mistakes (i know this is on deaf ears for the 20+ year olds as it is nice driving a 200+kw car at full speed between traffic, you are the man, well atleast you think you are).
With age comes wisdom and responsibility. We are family, please stop fighting about what someone else did. The truth will come out eventually. And to Wideopn-x3, man i am impressed by the eye to details.
He DID deserve what he got as when he put his right foot down he already knew the risks and "signed" ownership of that decision. I do agree with you Wykid that maybe we should feel sorry and have condolences for the chap who did this driving, but lets be fair. Would you have that for a stranger when you can see the rules wasnt obeyed. And yes we dont obey the rules 100% but who of us goes and do 100+ km/h in a suburb (not saying the driver here did, well he would have as kinetic energy show us that the VW ended up over a distance up a wall and upside down as well) as you would be the biggest fool of us all. Dont put other people's lives at risk because you want to joyride.
To whoever's friend this vw bloke is, sorry but i hope the law takes a hard turn on him, actually on both these drivers and they dont do this again going forward.
We can throw stones, but remember that enough stones builds a wall or ripples to make a wave. We are all family here on this forum, so please lets do what family do and put this behind us. The driver of both vehicles have loses and have learned the hard way. For us, we can learn from their mistakes (i know this is on deaf ears for the 20+ year olds as it is nice driving a 200+kw car at full speed between traffic, you are the man, well atleast you think you are).
With age comes wisdom and responsibility. We are family, please stop fighting about what someone else did. The truth will come out eventually. And to Wideopn-x3, man i am impressed by the eye to details.
WIDEOPN-X5
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WyKiD said:
My last post on this thread because it would seem everything that I have said somehow is misconstrued. If I have offended anyone, my apologies. It was never my intention.
Go back and read each of my posts. Not ONCE have I passed judgment on either driver involved in this accident. Not once did I say either deserved what happened. Not once.
My observations regarding the initial hypothesis that these two vehicles collided caused me to question the circumstances. Look at the photo of the front end of the Merc. To the left of the right front wheel there is a very neat straight edge at the bottom of the destroyed engine compartment. Do you see it?
Now look at the first photo. See the concrete blocks? I am fairly confident that width of the base of that concrete block is exactly the width of the area of the engine compartment described above. The area immediately above the "squared off bottom edge" is flattened suggesting impact with a hard flat surface. So, from this observation, I was fairly confident that the Merc ploughed into the concrete block. Again, fairly confident but I never said, "this is what happened etc etc"
Then one starts looking for the rest of the holes in the "swiss cheese" lining up.
On the face of it, the Golf doesn't have obvious front or rear damage although I qualified my statement on this observation by adding that the left side and full rear of the car weren't visible in the photo. But back to the Merc, the front damage has been explained and there is no distortion visible in the roof line that would suggest a significant impact in addition to the front end.
So my view was that these cars were going in the same direction. Yes of course its possible that they touched but based on my observations as set out above in respect of the Golf, I thought it highly improbable that the Golf was "cruising along" and was hit at high speed by a racing Merc.
Once again, merely observations tempered by a lot of years of looking at wrecks and crash sites and piecing the puzzle together. Am I 100% sure?? No of course not. I cannot be based on 2 photos.
However, when one adds the "admission" by the Golf drivers mate that he had been out drag racing earlier to the mix, making the hop and skip to the conclusion that these two cars were racing and lost control wasn't unreasonable. Low and behold, a few posts later and eye witness reports started to corroborate what the photographic evidence (imho) already showed. A high speed accident scene. The holes in the "swiss cheese" started to line up.
As to the rest of your post, if I sound condescending that is unfortunate but hardly my intention.
This posting on the forum came on the back of my issuing a report during February on a very nasty accident with fatalities and frankly I had had enough. It struck a chord with me.
I have never had much to say in a serious vain on this forum because it should be light hearted and an escape from the kak of the day. Well that is how I see it anyway. I brought my work into the forum. My mistake I guess.
I am tired of seeing young lives wasted because of a rush of mud to the head and the balls being bigger than the brains. As Willy said above here, some kids are given high powered cars as 18th birthday presents. Those parents may as well hand them a loaded 9mm with a hair trigger and one up.
Anyway, in the words of Forrest Gump, "that's all I got to say about that"
Back to being lighthearted.:=):
Cheers
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