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General.Massacre
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Wow, thats an interesting read.
Specifically over the La Ferrari. If you want the new one, and dont own the old one, you have to first purchase an old one, then you eligible to purchase the new one.
So first spend R30mil, before you allowed to spend whatever the new one costs. thats crazy
Specifically over the La Ferrari. If you want the new one, and dont own the old one, you have to first purchase an old one, then you eligible to purchase the new one.
So first spend R30mil, before you allowed to spend whatever the new one costs. thats crazy
VinceM
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Different market altogether,
I was reading up on F12 vs 812 last night (in the Ferrarichat), somehow conversation morphed to 812 vs 488.
without fail, 99% said they kept both!
Obviously a lot less money to La Ferrari, but a common thread of “money is no object” mindset.
A totally different world!
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TurboLlew
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The article covers most of this but the sales experience in SA is a little better than it is in Europe and especially in the USA. You can definitely get cars 'new' but they are, much like BMW, sitting on a floor brand new waiting to be bought. Ferrari owners only really go for a handful of specs so this isn't as bad as trying to buy (I kid you not) a Yellow on Yellow or electric-blue on Yellow Lamborghini - many strange specs 
.
Ferrari is VERY particular about who it sells its most special cars to. They don't really see things in the same way as most manufacturers do or at least they didn't in the past.
When the Ferrari sales person realises you are ready to actually buy something they enter a mode trying to get you into an entry level mainstream V8 or a used 'special' V8 like a Scuderia for instance... followed by a newer (or even brand new) V12. This is to build your profile. They don't just track what you are buying and how long you're holding onto it for but also WHERE You are buying from. Bought your SF90 and 488 Pista Spider from Fouche hoping you're going to be invited to buy a car from them in future? Think again. Enjoy the flexing, but your 'marks' are not the same as someone who has been a lifelong devotee that bought these from Ferrari and has been keeping them maintained there.
Either way, whatever anyone on here is likely to engage in is basically just 'dating'... the marriage only comes after you ALREADY OWN and have KEPT a variety of these for extended periods of time. I will likely never be in the league of some of these guys that are FXX programme customers or who get the 1 of 1 cars made to order. To put this into perspective, you could have won the few billion rand US powerball the other day and still not been anywhere close to this league... in terms of the time and money it takes to be 'invited'. You can maybe hope that one of the customers burns their bridges, sells it to First Motors in Dubai and then you pay 4x the price for one
MAYBE a mere mortal could get onto the list for the 'next' LaFerrari or Daytona SP1 type limited lists one day in 10 years time. This is how these cars sell out WAY WAY ahead of launches. The launch is just to show the public that the thing exists and create FOMO in those guys on the long list that are 'nearly' there - just a few million euros more to spend before you get invited to spend your 1 million euros on one of these....
There is a growing belief though that this is coming to an end with Ferrari now entering the post-Pininfarina era coupled with the SUV, electrification, reductions in displacement/cylinder count, 4 seaters and 'unlimiting' production on their previously special cars (The previous generation 488 Pista/Pista Spider being cases in point). On the latter, Ferrari produced all they could make (past 2500 units) vs. the prior gen which was limited to 499 units. There has been evidence that they have produced larger numbers for certain special cars than originally claimed (eg: the La Ferrari) in the past as revealed by registries that are fairly common nowadays. The increase in volumes was in response to becoming more conscious of what competitors were doing and specifically McLaren selling 720Ses in high volumes (as far as these things go).
Ultimately as much value as they have built in the brand over time, and the 'I don't care what you think' attitude to the press, clients and competitors, that their most devoted fans will tell you they have 'earned', if there are no desirable cars left (or the belief that there are no desirable cars coming anytime soon) then they are going to have fewer people willing to put up with what it takes to get onto their list... that said no doubt they will be making 1 of 1 or super limited run V12 6MT cars like Koenigsegg and Pagani are likely to be doing as well.
Anyway all this is kind of 'not for us' set of scenarios but fascinating. I am only at the very very beginning of this chain and likely will only actually own one of these in my life I'm afraid
.Ferrari is VERY particular about who it sells its most special cars to. They don't really see things in the same way as most manufacturers do or at least they didn't in the past.
When the Ferrari sales person realises you are ready to actually buy something they enter a mode trying to get you into an entry level mainstream V8 or a used 'special' V8 like a Scuderia for instance... followed by a newer (or even brand new) V12. This is to build your profile. They don't just track what you are buying and how long you're holding onto it for but also WHERE You are buying from. Bought your SF90 and 488 Pista Spider from Fouche hoping you're going to be invited to buy a car from them in future? Think again. Enjoy the flexing, but your 'marks' are not the same as someone who has been a lifelong devotee that bought these from Ferrari and has been keeping them maintained there.
Either way, whatever anyone on here is likely to engage in is basically just 'dating'... the marriage only comes after you ALREADY OWN and have KEPT a variety of these for extended periods of time. I will likely never be in the league of some of these guys that are FXX programme customers or who get the 1 of 1 cars made to order. To put this into perspective, you could have won the few billion rand US powerball the other day and still not been anywhere close to this league... in terms of the time and money it takes to be 'invited'. You can maybe hope that one of the customers burns their bridges, sells it to First Motors in Dubai and then you pay 4x the price for one
MAYBE a mere mortal could get onto the list for the 'next' LaFerrari or Daytona SP1 type limited lists one day in 10 years time. This is how these cars sell out WAY WAY ahead of launches. The launch is just to show the public that the thing exists and create FOMO in those guys on the long list that are 'nearly' there - just a few million euros more to spend before you get invited to spend your 1 million euros on one of these....
There is a growing belief though that this is coming to an end with Ferrari now entering the post-Pininfarina era coupled with the SUV, electrification, reductions in displacement/cylinder count, 4 seaters and 'unlimiting' production on their previously special cars (The previous generation 488 Pista/Pista Spider being cases in point). On the latter, Ferrari produced all they could make (past 2500 units) vs. the prior gen which was limited to 499 units. There has been evidence that they have produced larger numbers for certain special cars than originally claimed (eg: the La Ferrari) in the past as revealed by registries that are fairly common nowadays. The increase in volumes was in response to becoming more conscious of what competitors were doing and specifically McLaren selling 720Ses in high volumes (as far as these things go).
Ultimately as much value as they have built in the brand over time, and the 'I don't care what you think' attitude to the press, clients and competitors, that their most devoted fans will tell you they have 'earned', if there are no desirable cars left (or the belief that there are no desirable cars coming anytime soon) then they are going to have fewer people willing to put up with what it takes to get onto their list... that said no doubt they will be making 1 of 1 or super limited run V12 6MT cars like Koenigsegg and Pagani are likely to be doing as well.
Anyway all this is kind of 'not for us' set of scenarios but fascinating. I am only at the very very beginning of this chain and likely will only actually own one of these in my life I'm afraid
TurboLlew
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On this topic, there are also other interesting sales approaches with Porsche, Lamborghini and Ferrari. The cars you see on the floor are largely to create the impression that not many are available and the impression that cars are moving. The salespeople regularly post unlisted or incoming stock cars on their whatsapp statuses once you start engaging and tell them what you're looking for... these are usually not even advertised at all. This keeps the market very tight. Lamborghini is probably the best at controlling the used market this way.
A few posts from disgruntled owners make their way out now and then on trade values/sale values/treatment but best believe with only a tiny number of dealers to work with you are going to keep quiet about a lot that you wouldn't put up with from BMW/Merc/Audi/Toyota etc.
A few posts from disgruntled owners make their way out now and then on trade values/sale values/treatment but best believe with only a tiny number of dealers to work with you are going to keep quiet about a lot that you wouldn't put up with from BMW/Merc/Audi/Toyota etc.
TurboLlew
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Interesting read, thanks for sharing.
Slightly off topic, but enough GT3 RSs on the floor at Porsche PTA.
2 with 1000kms, and one with slightly higher.
So whoever is shopping, you can have your pick
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I blame you guys for winding up at Porsche this weekend: This is a helluva choice... newer 6MT specced as a GT3 should be (except for the colour LOL) or Older RS with Weissach pack & PDK for nearly the same money
No need for the RS, that GT3 is sick.
Had a few mates that have RSs and one that has both of these, says RS is an investment but not worth driving on the weekend - pulls the GT3 out mostly. Regardless, any recent year GTx is proper, can't complain either way.
992 GT3 plus a '22+ Cayenne GTS/Turbo and you sorted - perfect 2 car garage for me.
Had a few mates that have RSs and one that has both of these, says RS is an investment but not worth driving on the weekend - pulls the GT3 out mostly. Regardless, any recent year GTx is proper, can't complain either way.
992 GT3 plus a '22+ Cayenne GTS/Turbo and you sorted - perfect 2 car garage for me.
TBP88
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OR just get a 991.2GT3 and strip the wing off, maybe even get a nice ducktail.
Morribiscuit
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You haven't looked at enough Huracans. Verde Mantis with that styling is kinda a big YES.
WIDEOPN-X5
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