Has BMW lost their MOJO???

[Diablo Jnr]

Some-one on the BMR board needs to grow a pair and say."lets take these little gloves off and see what happens". Sometimes it seems as if all the German manufactures get together and draw straws to decide who is allowed to make the most powerful engine in a specific model. When it comes to building engines, BMW are one of the best, if not the best, so why to they insist on holding back...

 

[moranor@axis]

im pretty sure most cars will be turbo when proper electric types become more available...
they use a turbine on the exhaust to make electricity then charge the system so you can boost the engine exactly when you need it these systems are supposedly just as efficient as a normal turbo because the losses you get from the electric system are balanced out by you being able to boost exactly when needed

with this system you can have the best of both

 

[StK]

Be good if they came up with something like this
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109061619952/bmw-m-concept-envisions-audi-r8-rival

 

[P1000]

im pretty sure most cars will be turbo when proper electric types become more available...
they use a turbine on the exhaust to make electricity then charge the system so you can boost the engine exactly when you need it these systems are supposedly just as efficient as a normal turbo because the losses you get from the electric system are balanced out by you being able to boost exactly when needed

with this system you can have the best of both

It will be too expensive. Never cars handle the issue of lag very well.

 

[moranor@axis]

it wont be too expencive because cars will have some sort of regen brake system anyway so there will be enough batteries

 

[StK]

Some more images

http://www.flylyf.com/bmw-m-design-concept-by-idries-noah/

South African artist too :clap:

 

[P1000]

it wont be too expencive because cars will have some sort of regen brake system anyway so there will be enough batteries

In that case, you can just as well overcome the turbo lag by boosting performance during lag with the electric motors, since they can be overdriven for short periods.

 

[JustNN]

I think Bmw missed there chance of a real super car, if they brought a pure v12 or v10 fuel guzzler super car out a few years back it would have been good timing , now days its all about saving fuel and inviroment:dunno: .

I mean seriously Bmw has always been known for Performance and the best sports cars, as an old Top Gear episode said the other day all the other manufacturers(audi,merc) can thank Bmw for the M cars because thats where the whole Performance car started.

Bmw has never waited and be late to the party but this time they dropped the ball big time, They where suppose to bring out a super car that the others follow(audi,merc) and copied and if they bring one out now we were last to do it:banghead:, times have changed and now we are back of the pack

 

[Diablo Jnr]

Just think, the Maclaren F1 was released about 20 years ago, i stand corrected, that BMW V12 made something like 468kw. 20 years of new technology.
E30 325is - 155kw - 1990
E36 M3 - 228kw - 1997
E46 M3 - 252kw - 2001
E92 M3 - 309kw - 2007
Producing a V12 that can flatten an Enzo or anything out there shouldn't really be a problem given the advancements in technology - so what the freaking hell is the problem, its not like no one produces V12's anymore.:cursin:

 

[JustNN]

Yup Bmw will supply one of the greatest engines to a Mclaren and to this day it is still one of the fastest cars in the world but they wont build there own super car:thinking: i guess this is one of the unknown questions in the universe like what is the meaning of life:mmm:

 

[moranor@axis]

it wont be too expencive because cars will have some sort of regen brake system anyway so there will be enough batteries

In that case, you can just as well overcome the turbo lag by boosting performance during lag with the electric motors, since they can be overdriven for short periods.

an electric turbo would reduce weight and cost because the energy you are putting into compressing the air is then made into even more energy inside the engine

so for the same power gain you can run much smaller batteries

 

[Sankekur]

I doubt whether that will work, there will always be losses. Else we would have had perpetual motion a long time ago (well at least other the first kind, or whatever its called)

 

[moranor@axis]

its not perpetual motion its just a way to increase power without huge displacement or lag...

 

[Coisman]

imp:
bmw has been playing it safe I think, the last time you could even say a bmw supercar was on the road was the M1,
and in fact that was a total washout to tell the truth. the McLaren F1, the one from 20 odd years ago,
now that was a proper car, but did not carry the bmw badge.
They have even pulled out of F1, and are now focussing on the touring car races,
Not doing rally, not doing F1, not doing enough I say.
I went on google and typed in bmw supercar, not really good hits, mostly speculation on future models,
or discussions about past failed models, seriously bmw, what the hell!!!
type in audi supercar, first hit, Audi R8, type in merc supercar, yip, mclaren slr.
So I think there is some serious truth to this topic, to bad bmw wont be able to respond,
because like Sankekur rightly said, bmw is focussing in going green, so people,
I give you the bmw supercar of the future: the BMW i8
http://www.speedlux.com/bmw-i8-codenamed-vision-efficient-dynamics-caught-racing-abu-dhabi/

 

[JustNN]

The guy sleeping in that pic really tells you alot about how exciting that car is:spit: 3 cylinder diesel supercar:mmm:
Are we all now going to pretend this car doesnt exist

 

[Coisman]

...The guy sleeping in that pic really tells you alot about how exciting that car is :spit: ...

Good one!! :clap:

 

[msm]

Forget Audi, Merc, etc. If boring old Lexus can build the LFA supercar, what the F*&K is stopping BMW at making a decent supercar :banghead:

 

[Coisman]

imp:
If you read the article I posted about the i8,
it goes 0-100 in 4.8 seconds... thats using a 3-cylinder turbo,
imagine if they where to use a 6 cylinder turbo... :mmm:

 

[Sankekur]

its not perpetual motion its just a way to increase power without huge displacement or lag...

I gave perpetual motion as an example, my point was that if you use a 1kW motor to drive a turbine on the intake you will get less than 1kW increase in power for the engine, in all probability you will get a lot less.

imp:
If you read the article I posted about the i8,
it goes 0-100 in 4.8 seconds... thats using a 3-cylinder turbo,
imagine if they where to use a 6 cylinder turbo... :mmm:

If I am not mistaken this is due its maximum power output being boosted to 350kW by two electric motors, and this power kan only be sustain for something like 30s.

Thing is it is just a fast car (for short bursts) that that doesn't make something a super car, a super car has to be so much more than just that.
I don't really care whether BMW make a super car or not, my problem is that BMW are all turning into a bunch of fairies, they are substituting there soul for economy and eco-mentalism. Luckily for BMW most of the people that will be buying BMW's won't care about this, that just want the badge for its snob values, and not for what it meant and stood for, lucky for BMW that people like these you find on this and other forums are only a fraction of the BMW buying public.
Let me leave you with a couple of pics:

Edit: I just need to add that through direct actions by BMW they are are also killing off their old cars.

 

[moranor@axis]

Do you know how inefficient burning petrol is? The only reason cars move at all is because petrol has so much energy in it... Yes there will be losses but they will be made up by getting more power out of a smaller engine because a small engine has less friction ect... also with a small engine running boost you have small displacement when you don't need power and large displacement when you want it...

This will more than make up for the losses on the system