Has BMW lost their MOJO???

[Sankekur]

Bikes?

 

[moranor@axis]

im sure they dont make much off the bikes

 

[Diablo Jnr]

Most of us wont be able to afford a BMW supercar if they were to build one, and most of us cant afford a M3 either, but its there.
I'm not looking forward to the next M5, simply because it will be the same as the other manufacturers...turbo V8:banghead:. It will be faster than the outgoing M5, but i doubt it will be able to make someone like Jerromy Clarkeson, who has hated all BMW's for as long as i can remember, admit on television that he loves the M5 and give it the praise he gave this car. BMW is loosing the thing that made them different from all the other manufacturers, passion, now they are the same as Merc, one engine for all M cars...that is complete bull. It's all about money, and understanably so, its a businees they are running. Just look at the X5 M and X6 M, all about money. I think the current M3 is the last M BMW will start with a blank page when building a M. All future will just be kit cars.

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BMW have a large portion of the bike market. their bikes are more exciting than their cars at the moment. The superbike they released last year, think its called RR, is freaking awsome. Has 20HP more than any of the other bikes on the Super Bike series. Saw a pic of a black one, sweeeeeeet.

 

[Sankekur]

Uh, JC likes ///M BMW's.

 

[P1000]

I cannot wait for the next M5, I never liked the E60, or the noise from the V10. Give me the V8 with 431 kW. Plus by using turbos, there will be much less difference in performance at the reef and at the coast.

 

[Sankekur]

I am just wondering what the reliability of an M engine with turbo's would be like, out of motorplan of course.

Personally I love the sound of the V10.

 

[rayven_king]

I cannot wait for the next M5, I never liked the E60, or the noise from the V10. Give me the V8 with 431 kW. Plus by using turbos, there will be much less difference in performance at the reef and at the coast.

my dude you cant be serious, :shocked: I've never heard anyone say this about that godly engine

 

[Sankekur]

Another thing the power output from the new M5 seems to be pretty close to what the RS6 makes, which bothers me a bit, you get the same kind of feeling as with the RS4-e9x M3, like when they were working on the engine and then decided, that'll do (That is not the spirit of M).edit: then again neither are turbo's

 

[BM 328i]

Its all true BMW has not made a supercar as yet. But the M3 and M5 does extremely well in terms of power and speed to compare against the other supercars with the likes of Audi R8 and R10, Merc SLR and Nissan GTR. However BMW has not changed the name to a GTR, R8, R10, SLR, However the M3 and M5 has so much power yet its not turbo charged. So I still say well done to BMW.
However, on another note I received this mail a while back with this BMW Concept car pics thought I would share, Dont Know how true though. whats your thoughts

 

[Sankekur]

Hopefully BMW will never make anything that looks like that, that looks absolutely horrid uke:

It's right what you say about the M's not having turbos, problem is, they do now, so know they have to be so much better and i don't think they truly are, like 430kW is probably ok for a V8 twin turbo, but why not 500, or 550, its not like that would be a problem for a twin turbo.

 

[rayven_king]

kinda of want but I see a bit of the gallardo's back arch and c pillar on there most likely a pshop

 

[Sankekur]

Thank goodness for digital image editing, it means there is at least the possibility to make that concept look half decent, something like this:

Now that looks a lot better

 

[BM 328i]

Sankeur I have to agree with u it is horrid looking. :hammerhead: :slap:

Thanks for saving the badge :thumbsup:
So hopefully this will make the others appreciate what BMW have developed thus far as it could be worse.
:thumb:

 

[Sankekur]

Yup, compared to that the 5 series GT is a stunner

 

[P1000]

like 430kW is probably ok for a V8 twin turbo, but why not 500, or 550, its not like that would be a problem for a twin turbo.

because they want it to still feel like a NA car - so to keep lag times low, you need to have small turbos

 

[moranor@axis]

it is very mad but i like the outline of it the body panels need to be cleaned up alot... but the overall shape is good its just has way to much going on

 

[Fordkoppie]

Fugly!!! yuck to that M supercar.
It is just sad that they decided to stick with the ugliest shape that could ever have been dreamt up with the new generations of the coming 3, new 5 and 7.
Why not get stuck on a shape like the e9, the e24 or even the e39. They have caracter.
There really are not much difference in profile between the new shape 5 and the new e class and for that matter any new merc.

 

[Sankekur]

like 430kW is probably ok for a V8 twin turbo, but why not 500, or 550, its not like that would be a problem for a twin turbo.

because they want it to still feel like a NA car - so to keep lag times low, you need to have small turbos

Couldn't the just use two stages of turbo'ing to have as little as possible lag and have proper power, or variable vane/geometry turbo's. I have to admit though that I have fairly limited knowledge of turbos what I do know is I don't like turbos, not for a daily driver at least.

 

[P1000]

like 430kW is probably ok for a V8 twin turbo, but why not 500, or 550, its not like that would be a problem for a twin turbo.

because they want it to still feel like a NA car - so to keep lag times low, you need to have small turbos

Couldn't the just use two stages of turbo'ing to have as little as possible lag and have proper power, or variable vane/geometry turbo's.

They all have their own unique problems. VNT on petrol is not very reliable and prohibitively expensive due to the higher EGTs of petrol engines. And I don't think there is space for a sequential setup... But yes, they could have upped the displacement to 5l and give us 500kw+, but more power is worth nothing if you cannot tame it and put it on the road... I for one would be quite happy with 431kw, its slightly more than the Gallardo LP570, and the Ferrari 458 Italia.

 

[Sankekur]

like 430kW is probably ok for a V8 twin turbo, but why not 500, or 550, its not like that would be a problem for a twin turbo.

because they want it to still feel like a NA car - so to keep lag times low, you need to have small turbos

Couldn't the just use two stages of turbo'ing to have as little as possible lag and have proper power, or variable vane/geometry turbo's.

They all have their own unique problems. VNT on petrol is not very reliable and prohibitively expensive due to the higher EGTs of petrol engines. And I don't think there is space for a sequential setup... But yes, they could have upped the displacement to 5l and give us 500kw+, but more power is worth nothing if you cannot tame it and put it on the road... I for one would be quite happy with 431kw, its slightly more than the Gallardo LP570, and the Ferrari 458 Italia.

For it to compete with those cars in terms of power is pretty awesome, I would just have liked it a bit more if they did that by going NA, I'm just a NA person