F30 328i vs F30 320d

[phantom]

This is the wrong comparison.The F30 328i compares with the F30 330d.Both of those vehicles logged identical 1/4 mile times and KM exit speeds of 210km/h. :thumbs:

 

[fhm1]

I am Diesel Fan, but in this scenario, when comparing a 328i to 320d, and having drivin both, I would definitely go for the 328i, raise: .raise:

Fuel consumption???, well that's another debate all together .

 

[Xeqtr]

This is the wrong comparison.The F30 328i compares with the F30 330d.Both of those vehicles logged identical 1/4 mile times and KM exit speeds of 210km/h. :thumbs:

In terms of price it is...

 

[phantom]

This is the wrong comparison.The F30 328i compares with the F30 330d.Both of those vehicles logged identical 1/4 mile times and KM exit speeds of 210km/h. :thumbs:

In terms of price it is...

Point taken.That comment is based purely on performance. :thumbs:

 

[Xeqtr]

This is the wrong comparison.The F30 328i compares with the F30 330d.Both of those vehicles logged identical 1/4 mile times and KM exit speeds of 210km/h. :thumbs:

In terms of price it is...

Point taken.That comment is based purely on performance. :thumbs:

I agree with you though bud. Car to Car the 330d would be the correct comparison.

 

[phantom]

328i:

Performance
Fuel Capacity 60
Fuel Consumpsion - Highway 5.2
Fuel Consumpsion - Urban 8.5
Consumption Annual Average 6.4
Fuel Type unleaded
Fuel Supply high precision direct injection, turbo
Acceleration 0-100 Final 5.9
100 to 0 Seconds 0
Quarter Mile Sprint 0
Top Speed Final 250
Power Output 180kw@5000
Torque 350nm@1250
Auto Traction Control yes
Limited Slip Diff no
Towing Capacity (KG) 1600
Turning Circle (Meters) 11.3
Turns Lock to Lock 0

I suppose we are comparing because the 328i is only about 8% more expensive (39k on the steptronic model) ?

Looking at the specs the 328i is a seriously good, well balanced car.

BUT

Just don't be fooled by the consumption figures. As with the 320i, the "real world" consumtion for Mr. Average Driver is way more.


That said, even at roughly 10-11 l/100km (which is what I expect in real life in mixed driving, not like a granny), 180kw is seriously good power for that consumption, making this a very well balanced car. To put this in perspective, my wife's Hyundai ix35 consumes about this much.


I just think the cars are too vastly different to really compare. They suit totally different niches, aimed at totally different minded drivers.

Well said and summed up. :thumbs:

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BMW have refined the 320d motor in the new X3, I have read great reviews on its smooth sound and its up to 140kw and 400nm.

Yeah wondered when this was coming. One of the things I love about BMW is their rate at which they improve on their power plants. So, my guess is that it will not be very long before the 320d has this 140 kW unit. :rollsmile:

Only 5kw and 20Nm up. But that is the nature of things. Gradual improvement.

I have actually taken one on a long test drive and can say that the power plant is a lot quieter.The sound is somewhere between the old 320d and the 330d. :thumbs:
Don't expect much on the power side though as i could not feel the difference.

 

[ZMC]

At one point.BMW were adamant. No forced induction. No diesel. No fwd.

How things have changed

 

[Vicus]

I am Diesel Fan, but in this scenario, when comparing a 328i to 320d, and having drivin both, I would definitely go for the 328i, raise: .raise:

Fuel consumption???, well that's another debate all together .

If fuel consumption is left out, yes, for sure. 180kw vs 135kw, there can only be one winner.

But completely ignoring consumption would be a but skewed. It is exactly what the beauty of the 320d is. The balance.

Also lets' do some sums:

Average person does 25 000 km's a year. So four years makes for 100 000 km's.

For the 328i @ 9.5l/100 (Bit optimistic, but be that as it may)

100 000 x 9.5/100 = 9500 litres of fuel

Cost = 9000 x 13.66 = R129 770

For the 320d @ 6l/100 (I actually get 5,7)

100 000 x 6/100 = 6000 litres of fuel

Cost = 6000 x 12.56 = R75 900

Difference = 129 770 - 75 900 = R53 870

Call it R53 000.

The 328i is R39 000 more expensive to start with. So total cost difference is:

R53 000 (fuel) + R39 000 (Price) = R92 000

This makes the 328i a much more expensive car, overall.

Whereas the 320i and 320d works out to close to the same cost over 4 years of use.

So comparing the 328i to the 320d on cost/price is not really valid.

 

[Xeqtr]

Good points there Vicus... but then I would say you just get the 18" rims instead of the 19" rims on the 328i and there you go hahaha.

 

[Naruto]

wouldn't you compare 3.0T vs 3.0D?
330d vs 335i?

 

[Vicus]

wouldn't you compare 3.0T vs 3.0D?
330d vs 335i?

The price difference is 50k. Over four years the fuel cost will be around 60k making the 335i 110k more expensive over 4 years.


It is becoming more clear to be that comparing Petrol to Diesel is futile.

The beauty of the diesels is the effortless torque and the economy. The power that one gets for the low consumption. We also love the "feel" of the diesel.The balance. Petrol heads seem to care less about this.

Petrol fans seem to like the higher revs for some reason we diesel fans just cannot really appreciate. And they seem to care less about consumption and/or price. They just prefer the "feel" of the petrol.

Two radically different tastes in cars that seems to have just about no common ground. Each to his own then. :=):


P.S.

I just get really confused when I see threads like this:

335i Consumption :dunno:

 

[dvst8]

If its consumption you after buy a diesel or 1.4l small hatch.

If its a premium performance brand, buy a petrol bmw.

:blab:

 

[skiet]

P.S.

I just get really confused when I see threads like this:

335i Consumption :dunno:
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Thats when someone bought a 335i with their heart and not their brain :biglol:

 

[Vicus]

If its consumption you after buy a diesel or 1.4l small hatch.

If its a premium performance brand, buy a petrol bmw.

:blab:

How is it then that the 320d outruns the 320i ?

Blah...I do understand, actually. Your real point being that there is no diesel equivalent for something like the 335i. In that, I agree with you. (Performance wise)

But mentioning a diesel BMW and a 1.4 hatch in the same sentence is really just silly, bud.

 

[ZMC]

As simple as this for me

 

[Vicus]

As simple as this for me

Agreed !

:thumbs:

 

[Xeqtr]

As simple as this for me

Amen!!!! Jeremy Clarks Malarks is a smart man!

My favourite word from this wise man that I live by on the daily is......

POWER!!!!!!

 

[DieselFan]

wouldn't you compare 3.0T vs 3.0D?
330d vs 335i?

The price difference is 50k. Over four years the fuel cost will be around 60k making the 335i 110k more expensive over 4 years.


It is becoming more clear to be that comparing Petrol to Diesel is futile.

The beauty of the diesels is the effortless torque and the economy. The power that one gets for the low consumption. We also love the "feel" of the diesel.The balance. Petrol heads seem to care less about this.

Petrol fans seem to like the higher revs for some reason we diesel fans just cannot really appreciate. And they seem to care less about consumption and/or price. They just prefer the "feel" of the petrol.

Two radically different tastes in cars that seems to have just about no common ground. Each to his own then. :=):


P.S.

I just get really confused when I see threads like this:

335i Consumption :dunno:

Please stop making me miss my diesels. :'(

Interesting points.

 

[dvst8]

If its consumption you after buy a diesel or 1.4l small hatch.

If its a premium performance brand, buy a petrol bmw.

:blab:

How is it then that the 320d outruns the 320i ?

Blah...I do understand, actually. Your real point being that there is no diesel equivalent for something like the 335i. In that, I agree with you. (Performance wise)

But mentioning a diesel BMW and a 1.4 hatch in the same sentence is really just silly, bud.

I have not seen a 320d outrun an f30 320i yet nad watched a few of them run.

Infact Shaun bought hus f30 320i auto when i had my lci 320i auto and both stock he woukd run away from the D.

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With regards to x35i consumption on my M135 I average between 9.5 - 10l / 100kms and that includes some hard driving.

However, i did not choose the car for consumption.

:thumbs:

 

[Vicus]

If its consumption you after buy a diesel or 1.4l small hatch.

If its a premium performance brand, buy a petrol bmw.

:blab:

How is it then that the 320d outruns the 320i ?

Blah...I do understand, actually. Your real point being that there is no diesel equivalent for something like the 335i. In that, I agree with you. (Performance wise)

But mentioning a diesel BMW and a 1.4 hatch in the same sentence is really just silly, bud.

I have not seen a 320d outrun an f30 320i yet nad watched a few of them run.

Infact Shaun bought hus f30 320i auto when i had my lci 320i auto and both stock he woukd run away from the D.

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With regards to x35i consumption on my M135 I average between 9.5 - 10l / 100kms and that includes some hard driving.

However, i did not choose the car for consumption.

:thumbs:

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Taken from another thread:

This is an old discussion so let me just share a few facts.
We took two demo vehicles with more or less same mileage to the km track.Before going we filled both vehicles with fuel and reset the OBC's of both.
Vehicle 1 the F30 320d auto 8speed
Vehicle 2 the F30 3201 auto 8speed
At the track we decided on best of three runs just in case there was a bit of driver error.
Run 1
Pullaway up to 100km/h the 320i is half a car ahead.From 100 to 160 the 320d actually passes and opens up a 2 car lead that it holds to the end of the km.
Run 2
The 320d gets away better and at 100km/h there is no difference.Same again from there 320d forges ahead and ends the km 2car lenghts ahead.
Run 3
The 320d ahead to 100km/h and opens up 3 car lenghts at the km end.
Data reveals that the 320d has done the km runs with exits of 185/185/184.
The 320i exit runs show 183/182/180.

The petrol car seems to have heat soaked more than the diesel car.
We head back to the office and on return the average fuel consumption on the F30 320d reads 5.9 litres per 100km and the F30 320i reads 10.6 litres per 100km.
The facts speak for themselves but at the end of the day you are either a petrol or a diesel person.

But even if we assume they are close enough to be exactly the same, how is the petrol a premium performance car, and the diesel not? How does it make any sort of sense to mention a diesel BMW and a 1.4 hatch in the same sentence? :dunno: