E90 330d - what to look out for, what is normal?

Philip Foglar

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So as much as I love my 330i, I am playing with the idea of looking into going over to the dark side...

Had a look at a 330d M-Sport with a manual gearbox and it seemed fine and drove nicely, but the clutch felt a bit rough on the pedal movement as if it was snagging against a carpet, but that wasn't the case - so something with the mechanism itself. Also throttle feel is a lot more direct compared to my 330i Exclusive, so the first number of pull-offs and up changes I found the clutch was slipping very easily. No shuddering at all though. The 330i needs the throttle to be fed in fairly liberally during clutch biting point and beyond, maybe the 330d needs throttle input only once clutch has started to bite - makes sense with the character of diesel torque, my diesel bakkie is the same.

Other issue which worries me a bit more since it is engine based, when starting and stopping the engine there is a quick chirp noise, have no idea what that could be or if it is anything to worry about.

The car is a 2006 model with 92k km on the clock and with two owners already.

Condition cosmetically is not too bad, some typical soft touch plastics and the M-Sport steering wheel is also affected of course. Loads of stone chips on the bonnet and front bumper, and the odd minor ding here and there. The left rear door mechanism is a bit noisy. The right rear door beading is a bit dented as if something was dropped or rested on it. Wheels are slightly curb-rashed and there was a nasty vibration, so either buckled on not properly balanced - has new non-RFT tyres all round.

No sunroof, no Xenons, no rain sensor and no I-Drive. Some tools are missing as well as the first aid kit. Sunroof and Xenons is something I would like of course.
 

MikeR

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:thumbs: what price ?
the way you drive them is slightly different to petrol, let the clutch start to take before you feed the oil, post some pics.
 

Twinz

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Staff member
Agree with Mike...Diesel will sound and feel different when driven.

However, the slipping clutch and chirping noises are worrying.
 

m0lt3n

Active member
the chirp is the fanbelt. my car also has it. not a real issue just sounds crap. spoke to mechanic and he said most of the new diesels has it.
i have a new tensioner pulley plus new belt and it still chirps. (also a bit noisy when cold)
not a deal breaker.

but there is no extras which sucks...good kilos....i think the price should be fairly low to take that one, doesnt sound to be well looked after
 

prospect

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Don't buy this particular car. I had a 2007 330d manual and everything was perfect; no slipping clutch, no chirping.
 

Twinz

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I wanted to say what prospect said...but was being nice. Philip there must be a huge diesel market to choose from :thumbs:
 

hanopp

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i went through this specific situation about 4 months ago. 330d vs 330i.. in short.. 1. People tend to believe the 330d is faster - its not true.. youtube stock 330i vs 330d they are the same the one cant get past the other one. 2. The diesel might be more fuel eff..BUT if you take maintenance into consideration your running cost per KM is more expensive 3. I hate the sound of a diesel not able to ref above 4800rpm, i love the sound of a 3.0L six, 4. the clutch on the 330d more likely to go bcause of the massive torque.. maybe you want a change of scenery .. try it.. i'm a petrol head. LOVE MY 330i!!
 

Philip Foglar

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Thanks guys,

Yep, I wondered if that chirp sounds was not maybe something as simple as the fan belt. Clutch slip is maybe more me not being used to throttle response with the CDV clutch which even on the 330i is sometimes easy to misjudge.

Price is R169k which is not too bad for the mileage... But the various issues are a bit of a put off for me still.

So better to keep looking and find one that has all the toys I want without these issues.

hanopp said:
i went through this specific situation about 4 months ago. 330d vs 330i.. in short.. 1. People tend to believe the 330d is faster - its not true.. youtube stock 330i vs 330d they are the same the one cant get past the other one. 2. The diesel might be more fuel eff..BUT if you take maintenance into consideration your running cost per KM is more expensive 3. I hate the sound of a diesel not able to ref above 4800rpm, i love the sound of a 3.0L six, 4. the clutch on the 330d more likely to go bcause of the massive torque.. maybe you want a change of scenery .. try it.. i'm a petrol head. LOVE MY 330i!!

In terms of all out performance there is no question that the 330i (especially at the coast) is way to go, but for general daily driving the 330d is a very attractive prospect. Yes, once you have had the pleasure of a BMW NA straight six sound it is difficult to go for anything else, except maybe a V8 or so... But that said, the 330d being a six also sounds pretty cool in its own way, and the subtle turbo whistle is always awesome in my opinion. The 330i has loads more revs to play with and is happy throughout the rev range, where the diesel does tent to want to operate within a sweat-spot or revs. But just like with my diesel bakkie, you find this sweat-spot and as long as you stick to it you're fine.

In my fantasy 'perfect world' I would have both! :rollsmile: :fencelook:
 

Philip Foglar

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dvst8 said:
Try and find an Auto, makes the diesel driving experience much better.


:thumbs:

True, diesels are at their best with automatic gearboxes, but I am not a fan of automatics... So manual is my general preference - took an Exclusive 330d for a test drive a while ago and could see why automatics are better suited for these engines, but this M-Sport that I drove seemed better to me this time around. :thumbs:
 

Guetzer

Member
We got a e90 330d 2006 auto last week, and... omg i cant stop driving with it!!! I can not imagine that you would want anything more in a car, its absolutely superb!!:thumbs:
 

Philip Foglar

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Guetzer said:
We got a e90 330d 2006 auto last week, and... omg i cant stop driving with it!!! I can not imagine that you would want anything more in a car, its absolutely superb!!:thumbs:

That's the thing, as a pleasant daily drive, and then get a track toy, where you can really engine the pleasures of a straight six petrol! :thumbs:
 

Guetzer

Member
Philip Foglar said:
Guetzer said:
We got a e90 330d 2006 auto last week, and... omg i cant stop driving with it!!! I can not imagine that you would want anything more in a car, its absolutely superb!!:thumbs:

That's the thing, as a pleasant daily drive, and then get a track toy, where you can really engine the pleasures of a straight six petrol! :thumbs:

Sounds like a good plan to me! :inlove:
 

prospect

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Bud, wait for a better car with extras. I sold mine for R185k and it had xenons, logic 7, M Sport, 18-inch wheels , 95000km on the clock and no problems whatsoever.

While the auto box is a perfect match for the 330d, the manual is definitely more fun to drive IMO. In fact I find BMW autos boring! I haven't tried DCT but I imagine it's not as fun as a manual but I'll reserve my judgement until I've driven one.
 

Pr0PheT

Member
The chrip sound is nothing major to be concerned about, I've heard it on 320d's and 330d's before ...

However I wouldnt buy a that car because of its extras. Im sure for that price you can pick something with better specs. After having Xenons I think they are a must and the sunroof is also nice. Also consider test driving an auto 330d you might like it more because of the torque converter it feels amazing, just goes like a steam train.
 

Philip Foglar

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Pr0PheT said:
The chrip sound is nothing major to be concerned about, I've heard it on 320d's and 330d's before ...

However I wouldnt buy a that car because of its extras. Im sure for that price you can pick something with better specs. After having Xenons I think they are a must and the sunroof is also nice. Also consider test driving an auto 330d you might like it more because of the torque converter it feels amazing, just goes like a steam train.

Thanks for the replies guys! Yep, I got the impression that the chirp noise is maybe not such an issue. But have been able to determine that this particular car was a repossessed and bought at auction car which is why it is not still on motorplan...

Best would be to keep an eye open for a better and maybe younger one with all the toys! :thumbs:
 

frikkieh

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Good diesel hunting Philip. I should have waited a while longer and bought one. The slipping clutch is concerning. If you buy to save fuel, you might as well get a 320d. Not as potent, but a real fuelsaver. If you are replacing the 330i, you might be dissapointed with the 320d and go for the 330d instead.

Test drive both.
 
D

Dippies

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Come over to the dark side Phillip. :rollsmile:

One thing i can say is that i will most probably never drive a petrol again.

happy shopping
 

Philip Foglar

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frikkieh said:
Good diesel hunting Philip. I should have waited a while longer and bought one. The slipping clutch is concerning. If you buy to save fuel, you might as well get a 320d. Not as potent, but a real fuelsaver. If you are replacing the 330i, you might be dissapointed with the 320d and go for the 330d instead.

Test drive both.

There is nothing wrong with the 320d's, but I would go 330d personally! The 330i is a fantastic car and I enjoy driving it immensely, but it does not like pottering around in traffic, especially when it comes to fuel usage, so the 330d makes sense from that point of view.

I had a look at an Exclusive 330d manual a few months back and was not too impressed with it in terms of the manual gearbox - engine seemed rough on that particular car, but this other one seemed a lot nicer by comparison and worked very nicely with the manual gearbox.

So will keep hunting for one, and not in any particular hurry! :thumbs:
 

70007

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Philip Foglar said:
frikkieh said:
Good diesel hunting Philip. I should have waited a while longer and bought one. The slipping clutch is concerning. If you buy to save fuel, you might as well get a 320d. Not as potent, but a real fuelsaver. If you are replacing the 330i, you might be dissapointed with the 320d and go for the 330d instead.

Test drive both.

There is nothing wrong with the 320d's, but I would go 330d personally! The 330i is a fantastic car and I enjoy driving it immensely, but it does not like pottering around in traffic, especially when it comes to fuel usage, so the 330d makes sense from that point of view.

I had a look at an Exclusive 330d manual a few months back and was not too impressed with it in terms of the manual gearbox - engine seemed rough on that particular car, but this other one seemed a lot nicer by comparison and worked very nicely with the manual gearbox.

So will keep hunting for one, and not in any particular hurry! :thumbs:

Hi Philip

I had 2 x E46 330i's, an E46 330d Ind, a 2007 E90 330i (A), 2008 E90 330d (A) pre-LCi and now a 2009 E90 330i (A), so I have more than enough experience with both diesel and petrol.

Let me tell you this, it's one hell of a difficult decision to make to choose between a 330d and 330i, especially with you being at the cost.

First off, the "chirping" sound is fairly common on the diesels. My E46 as well as E90 330d's had that sound. They could never rectify the problem, PAarlberg BMW also said they were trying to fix a similar noise on a 530d at the time which they also couldn't fix.

The 330d is an awesome machine, especially in auto, my E46 was manual and the E90 auto. Look for an auto, it's perfect for the car. I sold my E90 330d M-Sport about amonth ago with 126k km on it, car was absolutely spotless, I had it from 90k km and in the almost 40k km I had it it was faultless and an absolute joy to drive. I had my E46 330d Ind from 66k km to 153k km, also not a single day's problem.

I'm back on the petrol wagon now and enjoying the car very much, love the sound of the 6 silinder. Main reason for going back to petrol is the soundtrack and added peace of mind with not having to worry about turbo failures and injectors. 330d's have a great history of being very reliable, but my 330d's milage was starting to get high for the year model and I drive quite a lot. That's another thing, if you go diesel route try and find a low milage one with m/plan still on it. It's a fact that diesels out of m/plan is very difficult to sell and unfortunately you get nothing for them. My 330d was 2008 M-sport, Alpine white, s/r, 18" rims, fully services, 2 new tyres and the best I could get on a trade-in was R160k. That's rediculous if you think that trade is R211k and retail about R240k iirc.

Sold it eventually privately for R195k, but it took quite a while. So yes, try and find a bargain and don't pay too much otherwise you'll loose a lot of money at the end of the day.

HAppy car hunting!!
 
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