Dealership service of tuned F20

VernM135

New member
Hi All

Could someone give me more info on BMW dealership services for tuned cars..

I have had Hartge tune installed on F20 118i.
So the unit is plugged into some different engine sensor plugs right.. (air pressure, turbo pressure and what what)
And apparently the tune cannot be picked up by normal service software checks*

So the question...when having the car serviced, do they plug anything into these sensor plugs or do they only work from/through OBD input?
otherwise it means i would need to unplug/remove tune box before service every time? as not to lose motorplan/warranty etc

Any info would be appreciated


below copied quote for reference:

This is directly from Hartge

The Hartge Engine Conversion is significantly different to other, often cheaper systems.

Our Hi-Tech system contains many "smart" technical features,
and is the result of many months of design, testing
and durability trials.

The investment we have made during the development program has resulted in a full 3 year warranty
on the hardware and software, plus an insurance backed engine and drive line warranty,
covering any effect of the increased power output for a period of 12 months
from installation date, but limited to 6,000 Euro.

Technical features are as follows:
The Hartge ECU is an external additional control unit. It is internally sealed and cannot be detected by BMW service
procedure interrogations.

It is also not possible that BMW software updates can disturb the performance of the Hartge ECU. Unlike engine
management "chipping" and "flash" upgrades, it never gets overwritten during service enhancements by BMW.

The Hartge ECU is connected via a special wiring harness to the rail pressure sensor, control valve turbo charger,
boost pressure sensor 1, boost pressure sensor 2, air flow meter, water temperature sensor,
camshaft sensor (all plug and play) and power supplies.

Additional power is generated by increasing the turbo boost preassure by a precisely calculated number.
This number depending on engine speed, calcualteed engine load and other parameters.
The BMW ECU continues to monitor all other important engine parameters as standard.

Therefore the engine behaves as standard to ensure that the standard emissions controls remain intact for the standard
emissions tests and drive cycle testing.

There is also overload protection, which prevents full power from being delivered for excessively long periods of time,
for example when towing heavy loads, or driving for too long at
V-max. The Hartge ECU also prevents overload of the transmission at lower than 1,200 rpm,
and overstressing the engine at high power outputs.

In extreme temperature conditions, the Hartge ECU also monitors the exhaust gas temperature,
and if this exceeds the safe limit, the Hartge ECU reduces power accordingly back to standard BMW power.

All standard BMW engine protection and emissions systems remain in place and continue to function.
 

Reese130

New member
I would definitely not take a chance of sending a car in to BMW with the tune still in place. unless you like gambling with your motorplan...
 

akash

Well-known member
They use the OBD port.

But if they in some way pick up the software and its not BMW approved.

You can say bye bye to your motorplan.
 

andre320D

New member
Speaking under correction.... Even if you remove it BMW will pick it, when they do diagnostics and get feedback from your exhaust emissions
 

VernM135

New member
Okay seems pretty unanimous then, remove it is

I was planning on removing anyway since everyone (Hartge, RGM and some overseas contacts assured me its not traceable when removed)
so was hoping to not go through the trouble to remove..

6000km left before service

Thanks for all the input!
 

akash

Well-known member
With the new turbo range of cars, i'm sure BMW must have put into place some tuner detection software and processes, to check cars when they come in.
 

St Lunatic

///Member
Remove it, there is a new file that BMW download per vehicle they service and they can pick up codes.

if you have plugged it into your sensors they will def pick it up.

Can you clear codes on your system?
 

zaleonardz

Well-known member
3/4 of cars never make it onto diagnostics during services.

Unless there is an error recorded on the key during book in, half of the service indicator counters get reset using a sequence of buttons on the cluster

There simply is not enough ISIS terminals to scan every single car.

Therefore by association, your car may not even be put onto diagnostics, let alone interrogated.

However, the simplest issue and your car will be checked.

Hell, even if the car does not sound stock, and a technician picks it up, it will be investigated.

Crux of the matter is that there is NO tune that is undetectable, and remember that the DME logs boost pressure and all kinds of stuff.

So even with a removed management, it is still detectable.

If you pop a motor, or anything that costs money, your balls will be handed to you by BMW.

Thats how it is, end of story....

I dont know why guys go and buy brand new cars, and within the first month its modded, and then gets all pissy when BMW reacts
 
J

Josh-ZN

Guest
sorry to disagree ZL, but my 135i cost a small fortune to repair and it was with bmw for over a month. bmwsa co-ordinated the repair and replaced everything under motorplan :dunno:
 

andre320D

New member
I called a certain tuner and he was honest with me and told me straight, if u want to keep ur motor plan dnt do software/piggy back that is not BMW approved.

So I will wait......
 

VernM135

New member
andre320D said:
If I may ask.. Did you buy the vehicle tuned like that?

No wasnt bought tuned, was bought std when it just came out - so already about 2 and something years old.
Its my brothers car and only used for daily commute to bedford-boksburg

I am going to remove it before service and see what happens when it goes in..
 

VernM135

New member
Just an FYI on this topic

Hartge tune removed..
Car was taken to dealership for 1st major service
Nothing funny picked up by dealership
they also said they updated software

Got the car back good as new :)

reinstalled tune...
 

akash

Well-known member
Met with my buddy thats a techie at BMW.

He told me they had picked up the sofware on a customers car last week. This dude had a two Unichip units wired into the car, they found units around the DME.

They called to customer and told him that if he removes the software and brings the car back the will work on the car and not void his MP.

Which was very nice of them i think.

The owner then ask them if they are "stupid" they did not find the software when the car was there for a service previously and now that the have found the units they want to cancel his plan.

Motorplan bye bye.

What an A Hole really.
 
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