Xcede vs JB4 on same car, same dyno

[dvst8]

Done !

Well done Neesh, respect for not trying to argue and making an effort to test.

Does anyone have any reason why Neesh should not do this ? Please raise your concerns now so there are no excuses after the fact.
:clapper:

 

[KarshS]

Neesh has DSG hands so its unfair....Oh no wait its a dyno...

 

[Dewald Basson]

Neesh has DSG hands so its unfair....Oh no wait its a dyno...

:biglol::biglol::roflol:

 

[hoosain]

i will be helping neesh

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

neesh aka 4piper did 281.7kw and 647nm on kar dyno with dp and jb4 PUMP flash +NF
13 flat 1/4 mile and 246kph on km

SO with e85 flash which is targeting higher timing and leaner afr i see no reason why it shouldnt yield similar results to your flash

Ok here's why. Neesh has full exhaust and dual cone intakes.
According to Burger & his word is gospel, the dual cones add 18hp.

Let's say 10kw to be fair. We have done many full exhausts & have documented 11-15kw. But let's be fair and add 10kw again.

So Neesh has 20wkw more hardware. So when we do our calculations we need to subtract 20kw. That comes to around 261kw. This car made 263kw. You see where I'm going with this? Apples to apples.

 

[Acheron]

Done !

Well done Neesh, respect for not trying to argue and making an effort to test.

Does anyone have any reason why Neesh should not do this ? Please raise your concerns now so there are no excuses after the fact.
:clapper:

If he runs the appropriate backend flash then by all means he should. However if he currently has the pump fuel flash loaded and Sherwin wants to map for his ethanol mix then it stands to reason that he changes to say the Race backend flash.

Logs from both JB and Xcede runs should be done and shared as well for transparency.

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

Hey guys , I have a JB4/Backend Flash on my 135i. I don't mind bringing it to the dyno to test that and Xcedes file on the car.

Thank you Neesh, we shall take you up on that & provide factual data to the forum. As mentioned before we will need to subtract 20kw from all readings to compare to a car that has only downpipes.

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Kish, you make 323kw on the wheels and this is what you run:

02/11/2014 12:58:02 PM Right 6B27, 12.498 187.08 0.731 NO 2.0004

I don't know if you understand drag racing & the significance of exit speed in relation to horsepower. But first want to confirm the above. I's sure you are going to say that there was something wrong with the car, please don't use the driver as the excuse because I am going to delve into the exit speed not the ET.

02/11/2014 02:54:5L4e fPt M 6B22, A JP OTTE 12.365 186.93 0.907 NO 2.089
so Sherwin, you ignored my question previously but I will ask it again, what does power have to do with my exit speed?

this results highlighted above is from a 135i with RB turbos making at least 50-75 more kw than me but we exit the same speed give or take a km or 2... shouldn't he be exiting at 200kmh plus based on the power? and as YOU said no excuses about the driver, weather, etc... both results from the same day and event...
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Hi there, hope your day is going well.

Let's start.

1stly here is his best run:

12.238 189.55

2ndly where is his dyno? What he "should" be making doesn't mean much. Whay he is actually making is close to you. That's how it works out in the real world.

3rdly is his car also auto?

4thly does he have any issues with the car?

 

[Acheron]

The suggestion was for you to map his car for comparison. Not compare his dyno results with the JB + backend to your past mapping sessions on other cars minus some figures you've thumbsucked.

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

Ok guys, who is going to make sure Neesh has the appropriate back end flash. Can we do this by Friday?

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The suggestion was for you to map his car for comparison. Not compare his dyno results with the JB + backend to your past mapping sessions on other cars minus some figures you've thumbsucked.

here's my suggestion. Put the back end on. Forget the thumbsucked numbers. I will take a bet it won't beat a DP only 296 number. I will bet a free flash for Neesh and you pay for it if I win.

After you pay, I will flash his car & take it to over 300kw. Deal?

 

[S1NGH 911]

How about once you guys are done with these Dyno tests, we then move the party to Underground Fanatics for some conclusive scientific testing :coolshake:


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[Sherwin@xcede]

So here's the itinerary:

• Appropriate back end flash loaded onto Neesh's car
• Most powerful ethanol + octane mix filled
• dyno car as is
• Load Xcede map on dyno & dyno again
• Compare
• Free beers and milk shakes for all

 

[S1NGH 911]

opcorn: too?


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[Sherwin@xcede]

My prediction, with best back end known to mankind & best octane this side of the Starship Enterprise, it won't make more than 290.

After Xcede flash it will exceed 300kw. Let's see how far off I am.

 

[4PipeR]

So here's the itinerary:

• Appropriate back end flash loaded onto Neesh's car
• Most powerful ethanol + octane mix filled
• dyno car as is
• Load Xcede map on dyno & dyno again
• Compare
• Free beers and milk shakes for all

Sounds good :coolShake:

 

[Kish2604]

Hey guys , I have a JB4/Backend Flash on my 135i. I don't mind bringing it to the dyno to test that and Xcedes file on the car.

Thank you Neesh, we shall take you up on that & provide factual data to the forum. As mentioned before we will need to subtract 20kw from all readings to compare to a car that has only downpipes.

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Kish, you make 323kw on the wheels and this is what you run:

02/11/2014 12:58:02 PM Right 6B27, 12.498 187.08 0.731 NO 2.0004

I don't know if you understand drag racing & the significance of exit speed in relation to horsepower. But first want to confirm the above. I's sure you are going to say that there was something wrong with the car, please don't use the driver as the excuse because I am going to delve into the exit speed not the ET.

02/11/2014 02:54:5L4e fPt M 6B22, A JP OTTE 12.365 186.93 0.907 NO 2.089
so Sherwin, you ignored my question previously but I will ask it again, what does power have to do with my exit speed?

this results highlighted above is from a 135i with RB turbos making at least 50-75 more kw than me but we exit the same speed give or take a km or 2... shouldn't he be exiting at 200kmh plus based on the power? and as YOU said no excuses about the driver, weather, etc... both results from the same day and event...

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Hi there, hope your day is going well.

Let's start.

1stly here is his best run:

12.238 189.55

2ndly where is his dyno? What he "should" be making doesn't mean much. Whay he is actually making is close to you. That's how it works out in the real world.

3rdly is his car also auto?

4thly does he have any issues with the car?
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response:
1. so his best run was 2km/hr faster than mine, I responded saying that he is 2k/hr faster already, your theory states he should be doing 200kmh plus

2. refer to the dyno thread for kw numbers... I seen the car do 400kw on a chip logic dyno.. there are other dynos he has also run.

3. no its a 6mt car... but you said that don't mean shit...

4. car is health and runs well...

 

[r0ckf1re]

Case closed till further notice :rollsmile:

 

[Acheron]

My prediction, with best back end known to mankind & best octane this side of the Starship Enterprise, it won't make more than 290.

After Xcede flash it will exceed 300kw. Let's see how far off I am.

If you're predicting 290ish for the JB you'd have to to exceed 300kw substantially with your flash to actually prove the point you were alluding to in this thread from the beginning, i.e. that your flashes are able to provide a significant edge over the JB

Full logs for both JB and Xcede file, please. I'd hate to be in Neesh's shoes with someone shooting for power at the cost of everything else. This will ensure how plausible running each would be on the street or for any period of time longer than a single dyno pull.

 

[Sherwin@xcede]

I'm not shooting for power over everything else, where do you get that idea from? That happens to be the power of a good altitude tune

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Kish, where is the wheel power dyno? Chiplogic reads Engine power. For all we know he's making the same power as you. I can't do this without a wheel power dyno graph.

Btw you kno the manual and auto have different gear ratios And final drive right?

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Acheron, Gideon is running my map for a good few years and over 100 000km.

 

[Kimeran]

Done !

Well done Neesh, respect for not trying to argue and making an effort to test.

Does anyone have any reason why Neesh should not do this ? Please raise your concerns now so there are no excuses after the fact.
:clapper:

Ya, me!
Neelesh won't go home until he breaks the dyno! :smashScreen:

 

[dvst8]

My prediction, with best back end known to mankind & best octane this side of the Starship Enterprise, it won't make more than 290.

After Xcede flash it will exceed 300kw. Let's see how far off I am.

If you're predicting 290ish for the JB you'd have to to exceed 300kw substantially with your flash to actually prove the point you were alluding to in this thread from the beginning, i.e. that your flashes are able to provide a significant edge over the JB

Full logs for both JB and Xcede file, please. I'd hate to be in Neesh's shoes with someone shooting for power at the cost of everything else. This will ensure how plausible running each would be on the street or for any period of time longer than a single dyno pull.

10wkw for me on the same day on the same dyno is significant. If you looking for massive 50wkw gains, christmas is just a few weeks away.

Fortunatley for you, you did not offer your car for the tests then. I know Neesh and Sherwin are both very confident that the idea is not to just shoot for power at any cost. The number of xcede flashed cars runningbdaily and on track is testiment to that.

Btw, you havent responded to sherwins bet. How confident are you ?