Why I loss against an e46 330i: Problem fixed

[CamZo]

Sorry maybe I was not clear

The thing with a petrol car is when you pull off there is a very fine balence between over reving it and burning out the tyres or slamming into the traction control if you have not swtched it off and doing a good fast pulloff

I gave a Focus ST a carrot in my 323i once because I got well off the line and he stayed with his car trying to figure out weather it should go or not

The Diesel gets by this by having huge amounts of torque low down the balence is easier to achieve than with a petrol Car at least for mine it is. I just pull off from idle I don't even bother to get the revs up. I still have to watch out with loosing grip but the traction control on these FL e90's is a lot more forgiving than my pre fl 323i.

So what I am saying is for robot to robot racing Deisel has an easier time than if you going for a quarter mile say. The Diesel looses its legs quicker than a Petrol at high speed acceleration.

I fully agree with the above statement as I have tested this.... no point revving a diesel.... with traction on the DSC cuts all power for about a half second.... traction of I get wheel spin in 1st 2nd and 3rd..... from mid rev range in 3rd I actually start to then only pull... ( tested against my bro's 130i 400m sprint - traction on left me 2 car lengths - traction off left me 1 car length)

Now the diesel I think should be launched at mid rev range with a rather controlling foot ( feeling when the car is about to wheel spin) I did this and the 130 was half a car in front and that was attributed to the low red line limit (diesel 5000 Rpm and 130 - 7000Rpm)

The main killing function of the diesel is a rolling start.... from 2nd gear I killed the 130i a car lenght.

please correct me if it sounds like B.S but this is what my test results were lol

 

[WyKiD]

Maybe not as conclusive, was watching a local motoring show and one of the journo's stated that local sales figures for diesels in the passenger segment were on the decline???
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You Must check your facts when I got my 320d recently the sales guy showed me an alert from the factory saying that due to the high demand 320d's have now got a 3 months wait instead of the normal 1 month of other 3 series models

It's all about Fuel Price now days. In Europe with the tight emission laws and the high price of petrol you actually get surprised when you see a Petrol car. We heading the same way. I have always been a fan of the Petrol BMW's and steered away from the Diesels but this new one is something special I must say it pulls way better at least for the first 2 gears than my old e90 323i even 325i I would even say a 330i but it would be at least close with that one. I used to struggle with the Golf 5 GTI with my 323i but this one destroys the Gold 6 GTI quite easily. Now I am not talking about a highway run to 200km/h I am talking robot to robot I am sure once the petrols get the revs grip up and they get into higher gears they could start to dominate.

Now if you not just looking at BMW's the would be declining because entry level cars in this country do not come in Deisel they only petrol more people are buying entry level cars so obviously in general Diesel would be declining. In Europe all entry level cars even with tiny engines have Diesel motors not petrol.


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Okayyy....take 2 calmettes and call me in the morning, read and comprehend this time. Nowhere was it stated this was official numbers merely what was stated by a journalist on a local motoring show. Need me to get his details to allow you to clarify the situation?

Fantasy tlgp's are no measure of a cars performance. True it takes practice and a good technique to launch a boosted hot hatch, drivers ability does come into play and if said driver cannot launch his car properly this does not equate to your car being quicker.

With my Astra OPC H, x20d could be dismissed without even trying, there were lots. I think the torque made them believe their cars were faster than they really were was quite amusing looking at their faces when they eventually got to the next robot. Runs against Golf 5/6 were much closer than any x20d, dont know where all these tales of seeing them off so easily comes from.

Not sure when's the last time I seen a x20d post a 1/4mile time that would rival a GTi's or any of the boosted hot hatch's...

 

[moranor@axis]

if diesels are so fast then why are the 0-100 times of the petrols better? because high rpm power is more important than low down power when you are pushing the car hard...

there is good tuning potential in the diesels because they are boosted, and they are good to drive as a daily, but petrol driven by a good driver is better...

 

[CamZo]

if diesels are so fast then why are the 0-100 times of the petrols better? because high rpm power is more important than low down power when you are pushing the car hard...

there is good tuning potential in the diesels because they are boosted, and they are good to drive as a daily, but petrol driven by a good driver is better...

That part of your statement is what has brought the diesel engines on par with petrol engines the modding potential.... what a diesel lacks in an engine sound track it makes up in consumption and the lack of consumption in a petrol car the petrol makes up in that lovely 6cylinder noise.... apart from that IMHO a diesel car gives the same joy as petrol car it may need to be fiddled with to be on par but it all comes down to what you want.....

 

[Bayn46]

You can't really compare turbo with non-turbo cars or engines with different capacities. Diesels' function differently to petrol engines and need a turbo to make decent power/efficiency.

If I slapped a turbo on my car, a modded 330D would not stand a chance, just one of the many differences between diesel and petrol. Can't really compare the two and in the end it's personal preference. Saving fuel wasn't at the top of my list when I was looking for a performance level car and I'm just not keen on diesels. I also didn't by my car to race and compete with other cars, I bought it for me to enjoy. Not that I'm opposed to a quick run on the private test "track" :mmm:

This thread was derailed BIG time :roflol:

 

[drugekull]

Appologies WyKID I did not mean to come accross so harshly

I am just talking here. One thing I have never done is praise a car because I have one lots of people do this I will say its crap when it is even if I own it

I learnt this with my Alfa 156 Selespeed was a great car till it stopped working after 20000 km then from giving it praise I started to bash it.

I can say good and bad things of all my cars.

e46 318i, e46 320i e90 323i and my new 320d I don't count cars before my BMW's as cars

This deisel is a long way from perfect I have done just over 1000 km's with it so still getting used to that tractor sound which is a downgrade from my 323i 6 cylinder sound. Not having the silver beeding around my side windows and silver kidney grill really pisses me off. and why the hell don't I have rear seat map lights come on BMW!!!! But it uses a lot less petrol and it gives your a good feeling of power.

I have not had a lot of races with it so as time goes on we will see but I must say your statement about it seaming a lot more quicker than it really is really sticks in my mind as I drive it. So I will have to test that.

 

[Ashman]

Maybe not as conclusive, was watching a local motoring show and one of the journo's stated that local sales figures for diesels in the passenger segment were on the decline???

You Must check your facts when I got my 320d recently the sales guy showed me an alert from the factory saying that due to the high demand 320d's have now got a 3 months wait instead of the normal 1 month of other 3 series models

It's all about Fuel Price now days. In Europe with the tight emission laws and the high price of petrol you actually get surprised when you see a Petrol car. We heading the same way. I have always been a fan of the Petrol BMW's and steered away from the Diesels but this new one is something special I must say it pulls way better at least for the first 2 gears than my old e90 323i even 325i I would even say a 330i but it would be at least close with that one. I used to struggle with the Golf 5 GTI with my 323i but this one destroys the Gold 6 GTI quite easily. Now I am not talking about a highway run to 200km/h I am talking robot to robot I am sure once the petrols get the revs grip up and they get into higher gears they could start to dominate.

Now if you not just looking at BMW's the would be declining because entry level cars in this country do not come in Deisel they only petrol more people are buying entry level cars so obviously in general Diesel would be declining. In Europe all entry level cars even with tiny engines have Diesel motors not petrol.


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Okayyy....take 2 calmettes and call me in the morning, read and comprehend this time. Nowhere was it stated this was official numbers merely what was stated by a journalist on a local motoring show. Need me to get his details to allow you to clarify the situation?

Fantasy tlgp's are no measure of a cars performance. True it takes practice and a good technique to launch a boosted hot hatch, drivers ability does come into play and if said driver cannot launch his car properly this does not equate to your car being quicker.

With my Astra OPC H, x20d could be dismissed without even trying, there were lots. I think the torque made them believe their cars were faster than they really were was quite amusing looking at their faces when they eventually got to the next robot. Runs against Golf 5/6 were much closer than any x20d, dont know where all these tales of seeing them off so easily comes from.

Not sure when's the last time I seen a x20d post a 1/4mile time that would rival a GTi's or any of the boosted hot hatch's...
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I am sorry for being so defensive, and I see this thread turning into a petrol vs diesel "war" so this is my last post.

Look at the specs of the GTI 5 and the specs of say...the 120d I used to own. On paper they are pretty close. Translate that to the real world, factor in driver abilities (I am by no means a professional race driver/drag racer) and that not all engines produce the same output as the stock estimate (i think its 10% give or take) and it can be the reason why my car was quicker than the few stock GTI's I raced and beat.

Hand on heart, I swear, line my ex 120d in its bone stock configuration against a bone stock MK5 GTI (and I am confident enough to discard a challenge from an AXX GTI - I am talking BWA engined GTI's) on a 1/4 mile race and my 120d will come out the winner.

I don't suppose you call it a comparison, for GTI times vs x20d times, but if you want to know of one case, a friend of mine had a 120d steptronic. He had software and a cone filter under his mod list and he could run 14.3sec@161km on the 1/4 mile a the reef (if it makes any difference). Correct me if I am wrong but GTI's with software, CAI, a bigger DP and maybe performance exhaust post similar times to that of my friend's 120d.

I speak for myself, and I do not consider my few encounters the general case - this is simply my limited experience.

 

[WyKiD]

Appologies WyKID I did not mean to come accross so harshly

I am just talking here. One thing I have never done is praise a car because I have one lots of people do this I will say its crap when it is even if I own it

I learnt this with my Alfa 156 Selespeed was a great car till it stopped working after 20000 km then from giving it praise I started to bash it.

I can say good and bad things of all my cars.

e46 318i, e46 320i e90 323i and my new 320d I don't count cars before my BMW's as cars

This deisel is a long way from perfect I have done just over 1000 km's with it so still getting used to that tractor sound which is a downgrade from my 323i 6 cylinder sound. Not having the silver beeding around my side windows and silver kidney grill really pisses me off. and why the hell don't I have rear seat map lights come on BMW!!!! But it uses a lot less petrol and it gives your a good feeling of power.

I have not had a lot of races with it so as time goes on we will see but I must say your statement about it seaming a lot more quicker than it really is really sticks in my mind as I drive it. So I will have to test that.

No issues bud, its all good. Nothing wrong with a bit of forum "banter"...:=):. Agree with you that you should not be "brand blind" and give credit where its due, we do luv our beemers but they are not perfect. The new generation diesels are great cars and for those that choose them, the benefits are apparent.

Go ahead and pick some fights at the traffic lights and post your results all in the name of testing....:thumbs:

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I am sorry for being so defensive, and I see this thread turning into a petrol vs diesel "war" so this is my last post.

Look at the specs of the GTI 5 and the specs of say...the 120d I used to own. On paper they are pretty close. Translate that to the real world, factor in driver abilities (I am by no means a professional race driver/drag racer) and that not all engines produce the same output as the stock estimate (i think its 10% give or take) and it can be the reason why my car was quicker than the few stock GTI's I raced and beat.

Hand on heart, I swear, line my ex 120d in its bone stock configuration against a bone stock MK5 GTI (and I am confident enough to discard a challenge from an AXX GTI - I am talking BWA engined GTI's) on a 1/4 mile race and my 120d will come out the winner.

I don't suppose you call it a comparison, for GTI times vs x20d times, but if you want to know of one case, a friend of mine had a 120d steptronic. He had software and a cone filter under his mod list and he could run 14.3sec@161km on the 1/4 mile a the reef (if it makes any difference). Correct me if I am wrong but GTI's with software, CAI, a bigger DP and maybe performance exhaust post similar times to that of my friend's 120d.

I speak for myself, and I do not consider my few encounters the general case - this is simply my limited experience.
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As stated to Drugekull above, no issues bud. Nothing wrong with a bit of banter provided its done in a courteous manner, as in this thread. We are all merely sharing our experiences and as we all know on the road on the day the better driver/car combination will come out tops. Impressive times for your mates car, he must know how to drive his car well....

 

[Ashman]

As stated to Drugekull above, no issues bud. Nothing wrong with a bit of banter provided its done in a courteous manner, as in this thread. We are all merely sharing our experiences and as we all know on the road on the day the better driver/car combination will come out tops. Impressive times for your mates car, he must know how to drive his car well....

:thumbs: its all good bro :=):

As for my mate, yup he is "up there" as one of the top drivers in my books.

Sorry, I did say my previous post was my last one but I would be awfully rude if I didn't reply to your message. :=):

I'm off to bed now...take it easy guys. Drive safe!