to be,or not to be?

[Coisman]

Okay so getting back to the topic at hand, I once again say TO BE!!!

:biglol:

 

[herr bmw]

Colin, firstly wtf? Pick up your toys and stop throwing a tantrum and have this discussion in a normal manner.

I never misjudged anyone. Where or what gives you this idea?

All I have said in this thread is that you as the organiser and those partaking need to cool it down and take note of the extra risks associated with a midnight run as apposed to a daytime run.

Are you honestly suggesting that I am wrong by saying the above? If so then I suggest you wake up, pull your head out the ground and take a look around you.

Professional Racing Drivers have accidents, Learner drivers have accidents, everyone has accidents. Your midnight run is a big fat accident waiting to happen.

Now once again I repeat myself, I am not suggesting you have no runs and I am not suggesting that the runs done were dangerous (although the legality of them can be questioned). I provided a selection of "what if" scenario's all of which could have happened but thankfully didnt happen. I proposed regulation and restraint for future runs.

THAT IS ALL.

Clearly you and others are unable to read basic english if you cannot see this. The only person I have "attacked" if you want to call it that is Coisman with completely valid points. Am i the only one who thinks this way or am I the only one who says it?

And please put your dick away, I dont care who has more people at their event. This isnt a dick wagging session and I really couldnt care less Colin.

There is no argument, accidents happen. Now untwist your precious knickers, stop seeing me and my opinion as a negative entity in your precious midnight runs and do something about it or choose to ignore my advice/opinion on this matter.

Mike

so a sunday run is safer?bs

on a sunday morning you have bikers all over the place,going to different runs,you have people driving,peacefully to church and familly gatherings.

thus you have more cars/bikes and other vechiles on the road.

for some one that hasnt done a midnight run,you have a lot to say,so if i plan another you are welcome to join,and dont use that excuse but cape town is too far,climb on a plane,ill pick you up,we do the run and then drop you back off at the airport to fly back down

you cannot give a senario from your suburb and compare it to the highway

you did judge everybody as being hooligans and irresponsible,but i have never judged you and wont as i personally dont know you.
you can not take on coisman,you have no prove that is was supporting an illeagal event or driving irresponsible,just because he said a couple of things on an open forum means diddly squat.

and it seems you cant read english either,i wont be organising another event
which means i am done with the midnight runs before some one gets hurt or killed

in other words i took your advice.

so in other words not throwing toys,or getting my knickers twisted,but rather saving some one from having a serious accident on a midnight run.

i just hope we dont have an incident in the day time now

 

[Coisman]

:drama:

 

[Mike1]

Cancelling the runs or promoting the cancellation of the runs was never my intention and is a decision you have made and is not what I advised.

I feel and have said throughout this thread that they can be very easily regulated, and safely executed and that should another run be organised that it be done with safety in mind.

Yes you guys are responsible drivers but you cannot avoid the inevitable be it day or night. I do however believe that the risks for an accident are increased when you have 50 cars on the same road driving enthusiastically at night.

I never said a Sunday run was safer.

you can not take on coisman,you have no prove that is was supporting an illeagal event or driving irresponsible,just because he said a couple of things on an open forum means diddly squat.

I have no interest in taking Coisman on. But lets face it, you cannot be Superman during the day and then the villain at night. Not saying that Coisman is a villain as such but you understand the concept presented dont you?

Its obvious based on the posts in these threads that the speeds were not legal. So I see no arguement or debate here - The words are written and laughed about.

Once again (this is getting tiring now) if this was a thread on any other forum but this I can assure you that the comments would be anything but positive.

Mike

 

[herr bmw]

what ever.:blab::blab::blab::blab:

 

[Coisman]

imp:
I NEVER, NOWHERE, according to my knowledge, posted anything about witnessing excessive speeds, what I said was:

"...on a midnight run where there are allot of members driving their cars with excitement."

I also posted this comment after you postedyour comments:

"...PS: I accept and will deal with any shit that should come my way if something were to happen on one of the meets, but there is no way I can be held responcible for another guy driving his car to the limit on a public road."

I also wrote:

"...the issue is that the guys that do "drive" a bit "spirrited", do so safely, indicating lane changes, and not forcing people off the roads, on a well lit highway, with 4 lanes, and IF another road user is spotted that is not part of the run, the group backs down, settles down, and then "run" again."

I did write this:

"...To drive in fear is pointless, and althought I dont aprove of some of the guys "driving style", I wont be made out as a cop that was there in support of an illigal event!"

In the thread about the midnight run, the one where all the pics were posted, I did however confess to breaking the law of the road...

"...Sorry man, I was on the phone wit Herrbmw at that time, cause I also didnt have a map..."

So I was talking on my phone while driving... :facepalm:

So I dont know... Lets just leave it at that, and lets just leave my name out of it ok?? :thumbs:

 

[Mike1]

Coisman, you are a Metro Officer driving with a bunch of cars at illegal speeds.

Your speed is irrelevant. Your duty is to uphold the law, not just from 8 to 5 but all the time.

Simply by association, being there and allowing people to break the law means that you are no better than they are.

You are meant to set an example, not laugh while others brag about their "not exceeding 120km/h" remarks.

I cannot respect an officer that doesnt follow the laws he preaches, and then takes part in an event where those exact laws are disregarded and still thinks he is faultless.

Leaving your name out of it is what common sense should have told you to do before taking part.

Mike

 

[135i_carboned]

im so sad

 

[Andy1GP]

Oh my sack. All I'm hearing is 'life happens life happens life happens... and wait for it... life happens' Ok great rant over.

I also felt this last run was a bit big. The first one to me personally was more enjoyable as an individual and a group. More mobile and controlled and more fun, in the way of having runs with more cars. And other reasons I can't think of now.

However as a park off the last one was EPIC!!!

In my mind having more frequent midnight runs should cure the problem.

1. Less people will attend as it's more frequent.
2. Less people = safer.

20-30 sounds like a fair number to have fun filled night with. even less to be honest.

Also if there are a couple of hilariously fast cars they can tag along and then head off to the next stop leaving the rest to have fun and meet up. Or not. Just a thought.

Now Like many others I've been to many legal and illegal events. And as far as the illegal ones go they we're pretty dodgy. Fast and furious but in every possible way LESS SAFE than a typical midnight run. Even if the run was held by a bunch of 18year olds it would still be a far cry from something like voortrekker weg on a sunday night.

I for one vote TO BE and don't care who organises it or just mentiones a time place and route :rollsmile: In fact I thought of doing double loops on the R21 as I feel that's the best highway out there at the moment. The least amount of hard turns, best lit and frequent garages for stops.

As far as timing is concerned. I think we keep it as it were.

Friday nights
Mid month in my opinion
And starting possibly earlier. Say meet at 22h00 and leave by 23h00 - 23h30.

March is upon us and we should have another one. Even if it's a baby one to keep the ball rolling. I for one will be going on one. Now lets start organising :joy:

 

[Crash_Nemesis]

What he said!!! :+1:

 

[frikkieh]

I thought Nic said enough. All made their points, and these are well noted by other fanatics.

 

[WyKiD]

"Sanctimony is the most inexpensive form of morality. It costs us nothing to make much of small matters in others".

 

[Ga-3M]

Oh my sack. All I'm hearing is 'life happens life happens life happens... and wait for it... life happens' Ok great rant over.

I also felt this last run was a bit big. The first one to me personally was more enjoyable as an individual and a group. More mobile and controlled and more fun, in the way of having runs with more cars. And other reasons I can't think of now.

However as a park off the last one was EPIC!!!

In my mind having more frequent midnight runs should cure the problem.

1. Less people will attend as it's more frequent.
2. Less people = safer.

20-30 sounds like a fair number to have fun filled night with. even less to be honest.

Also if there are a couple of hilariously fast cars they can tag along and then head off to the next stop leaving the rest to have fun and meet up. Or not. Just a thought.

Now Like many others I've been to many legal and illegal events. And as far as the illegal ones go they we're pretty dodgy. Fast and furious but in every possible way LESS SAFE than a typical midnight run. Even if the run was held by a bunch of 18year olds it would still be a far cry from something like voortrekker weg on a sunday night.

I for one vote TO BE and don't care who organises it or just mentiones a time place and route :rollsmile: In fact I thought of doing double loops on the R21 as I feel that's the best highway out there at the moment. The least amount of hard turns, best lit and frequent garages for stops.

As far as timing is concerned. I think we keep it as it were.

Friday nights
Mid month in my opinion
And starting possibly earlier. Say meet at 22h00 and leave by 23h00 - 23h30.

March is upon us and we should have another one. Even if it's a baby one to keep the ball rolling. I for one will be going on one. Now lets start organising :joy:

+10000000!!!!!!!!!

 

[Coisman]

Coisman, you are a Metro Officer driving with a bunch of cars at illegal speeds.

Your speed is irrelevant. Your duty is to uphold the law, not just from 8 to 5 but all the time.

Simply by association, being there and allowing people to break the law means that you are no better than they are.

You are meant to set an example, not laugh while others brag about their "not exceeding 120km/h" remarks.

I cannot respect an officer that doesnt follow the laws he preaches, and then takes part in an event where those exact laws are disregarded and still thinks he is faultless.

Leaving your name out of it is what common sense should have told you to do before taking part.

Mike

imp:
Once again you attack me personally!!!
Show me where I said I participated in any races!! You say I am a Metro Cop driving with a bunch of cars at illigal speeds... WHERE??????
Show me on the MANY posted video's where my car is busy racing!!! ... O wait!!! In the next line you state my speed is irrelevant, so what are you on about then????
How am I in control of guys that do the run, that I cant even see, because they are either too far infront of me, or too far behind me??? ALL the guys know, and I say it on ALL the runs, EVEN the sloooowww breakfast runs, that if they get caught, FOR WHATEVER REASON, they did so because they broke the law, not me, and I cant be EVERYWHERE at once, so how can you keep on saying I approve of the law-breaking???
LOS MY NOU FOKKEN UIT OK!!!!!!!!

 

[Mike1]

Coisman, I wont respond as we will go around in circles again and again and I am so tired of repeating myself.

Your life, your career, your choice. I just love that you get to choose when it is convenient to do your job and other times when you just act completely oblivious like when people speed at Breakfast Runs or Midnight Runs.

Gents, I no longer wish to go around in circles as this whole discussion as been blown out of proportion.

Enjoy the next run, whoever arranges it and be safe - This is my final post in this topic.

Mike

 

[Ga-3M]

Coisman, you are a Metro Officer driving with a bunch of cars at illegal speeds.

Your speed is irrelevant. Your duty is to uphold the law, not just from 8 to 5 but all the time.

Simply by association, being there and allowing people to break the law means that you are no better than they are.

You are meant to set an example, not laugh while others brag about their "not exceeding 120km/h" remarks.

I cannot respect an officer that doesnt follow the laws he preaches, and then takes part in an event where those exact laws are disregarded and still thinks he is faultless.

Leaving your name out of it is what common sense should have told you to do before taking part.

Mike

Yes Nic S said enough but Mike here seems to think he does not need to listen. These personal attacks on Coisman are starting to get on my nerves!!! Really!!! Coisman has done absolutely nothing wrong! As he stated the worst thing he did was talking on his phone!!! So Mike I hope that this post above is your last on this topic, I tried to be nice to you but you just carry on and on and on!! You are 21 and think you know all there is to know and frankly I have had enough of it!! As I stated before, we all appreciate your concerns but really next time go about making your thoughts heard in a much less attacking and aggressive nature!! Okay I'm done, this will definately be my last post on this topic!

 

[Coisman]

imp:
Well, WHATEVER gets planned in future, if its a breakfast run, a midnight run, or a drive to the airbase or racetrack after meeting up before the time, I WILL NOT BE PART OF IT!!! Because I will be seen as a hypocrate and a two-faced, law breaking cop, that enforces the law when it suits me....

I will also not be there, because I am pretty sure, that someone might "leak" out ALL the details of such a meet, just to prove a point when the guys start posting about how the cops showed up, or how the cops where waiting for them, so BE CAREFUL WHATEVER YOU PLAN!!!

So, sorry my fellow fanatics, the ONLY time you will see me now is when I show up at Kyalami or Zwartkops to braai my vleis in peace!!!! or when someone invites me for a visit at their house, or come to visit me at mine...

THE END!!!!!!

 

[Legacy]

Why not organise another event and then the first 20 people on the list gets the starting location pm'ed to them 1 hour before the event :biglol:

 

[Coisman]

Why not organise another event and then the first 20 people on the list gets the starting location pm'ed to them 1 hour before the event :biglol:

imp:
So why dont you go ahead and take on the roll of organiser!! :dunno:

 

[Legacy]

I can't since then I will be in trouble with the forum police :tease: