The Era of Bench Flashing has Returned

[Sherwin@xcede]

xcede's driving point here, is that their flashing system has made it passed OEM checks... so: 'we've never been caught so far even though 6 of our athletes have been called up for testing'

eventually the customer of that car will get busted, so he loses his warranty only.. the costs of car development go up for everyone else.

why should others have to suffer because some bliksem wants a 100kw more out of his new M4 and got his ECU modded? Gizmo is 100% correct here

Hey bud how do you know what my point is?

So allow me to make my point. It is as follows:

To date, our flash cannot be detected by local diagnostics machines. That may & I'm sure will change at some stage.

Why do I make this point? Because a customer now can choose to make use of our tune with the peace of mind that he doesn't run the risk of losing his warranty (at present).

The point of if he breaks something, well that's not in my hands. I would advise a customer that if it breaks due the tuning that the ethical thing to do is pay for it. But I can't control that.

If something breaks that's not related to tuning, then consumer protections laws like Magnuson Moss act state the warranty cannot deny a claim for a failed component not related to the modification.

So you can't deny a claim for a faulty windscreen wiper, if you changed the exhaust. If you chip an M4 and the turbos break, then that may or may not be related. Need to log to determine. Some cars like the Golf R blow turbos stock. Coils and injectors on the N54 go stock.

i don't know of my customers that has had anything fail on an M135 or M4 or M5 or M6 that was related to tuning. In fact I can't think of anything that failed at all, besides a batch of EWG M135's that blew turbos' (even stock).

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Sherwin/Xcede are partly responsible for allowing that to happen by advertising their service as undetectable by the manufacturer. this one fact is what draws the crowd in (as he has stated already

Hey bud, piggyback's also claim it's plug n play and undetectable.

 

[Fuzz@tinyNET]

LOL @ flimsy arguments

If the crusaders for Motorplan Morality only knew that the bulk of MP work is actually stock cars attempting to get stuff changed before plan expires and not modded cars that have broken, that would change a lot of things.

The argument hinges on the premise that all modded cars would break - the goal as the tuner is to tune within those limits so the car works at optimum output while maintaining safe tolerance for reliability. Are you really that naive to think that Sherwin would be this good and successful if every single car he touched broke?

More of the same really - the bulk of guys that actually pay for cars with motorplan have no issue while the non BMW / 'classic' BMW / whiners fight loose crusades against anything non-OEM. It's like saying an F80 comp pack will break before a standard F80 M does because the comp pack has more power. More so, to think that BMW is naive and not greedy enough to factor in such cases of 'abuse' when we pay for a car with MP is ridiculous.


Some guys just love talking out their asses without proper consideration and giving respect and kudos where it's due.

Congrats on the achievement Sherwin, I'm sure you'll move onwards and upwards.




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[Gizmo]

Wow, the brown nosing is strong in this thread!
I'm saddened to see so many fanatics defending fraudulent action, thick as thieves indeed!
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[Fuzz@tinyNET]

Wow, the brown nosing is strong in this thread!
I'm saddened to see so many fanatics defending fraudulent action, thick as thieves indeed!
:bin:

Call 10111 and open fraud charges if you're so perturbed by what's going on.

BMW should hire you with your formidable investigative skills and amazing nous with cars to track MP claims.


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[Gizmo]

:facepalm: fuzz, this forum already has dealerships which are reading this thread. Its their job to report it to BMWSA and SAPS, not mine.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

So this thread has two opposing views. So Gizmo I take it the side that does not share YOUR view is the brown noses?

So people oppose your view and you resort to name calling?

I stated my opinion before, and my post was unapproved. Does it bother me that admin only remove some people's posts? No. I actually do not care how the forum is run.
Do I care that others have views different to mine? No. Opinions are like @-holes, everyone has one.

What I do find wrong is. you often resort to such statements, when people have a different view to yours. That is not nice bud.

 

[RAArmstrong]

Wow, the brown nosing is strong in this thread!
I'm saddened to see so many fanatics defending fraudulent action, thick as thieves indeed!
:bin:

Get off your high horse. It's as simple as this. If I buy an M4 and decide to mod it. That's my prerogative. Not yours or anybody else's. It also doesn't concern you one bit what I do with the car when it comes to motor plan. My contract is between myself and BMW AG. Not myself, BMW AG and the Motorplan Police on BMWFanatics.

Don't be so quick to judge. I highly doubt you're perfect either? Ever pirated a song? Movie? TV series? A game even? It's the same thing really.

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[Gizmo]

Sabre, I know the difference between brown nosing and congratulating Sherwin on his achievement. He did well, but he shouldn't advertise on a forum which has active members who work at dealers or advertiser dealerships that he is getting away with it on MP cars.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

If you don't see what I am getting at, then so be it bud. You have no control over others actions and views, but your own.

 

[Arbee]

I see business opportunity for Gizmo. Learn the new cars and sell them your own Motorplans, call ot Gizmodoplans! I wouldn't suggest partnering up with Sherwin though, his track record has less broken "modded" car than stock...

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[FiRi@Rennzport]

No its Rob...new games and movies dont affect the price of e36 and e46 parts [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY] only motorplan claims do, be it modded claims or not.

I wonder though if they affect the price of graphics cards and tv screens [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES]

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[Sabretooth tiger]

MMM, a lot of maturity in this thread. How old are you guys?

 

[Gizmo]

Its fine, everything is a joke until the shit hits the fan. Glad I won't be around to see that, bye.

 

[Yuben]

I stated my opinion before, and my post was unapproved. Does it bother me that admin only remove some people's posts? No. I actually do not care how the forum is run.

Charlton, this thread was moved to the Advertisers sub section. The Advertiser has the function to moderate their own sub forum. All posts that have been unapproved so far has been done by the Advertiser, and not any one of the forum staff. Even my posts have been unapproved in this thread.

I hope this clears up any ill feelings mentioned above:coolShake:

 

[Rayzor]

:facepalm: fuzz, this forum already has dealerships which are reading this thread. Its their job to report it to BMWSA and SAPS, not mine.

Report what exactly? that there is a tuner that can tune cars without bmw detecting :roflol::roflol:

 

[ChefDJ]

Sabre, I know the difference between brown nosing and congratulating Sherwin on his achievement. He did well, but he shouldn't advertise on a forum which has active members who work at dealers or advertiser dealerships that he is getting away with it on MP cars.

So now your biggest concern has changed from parts prices for older cars rising and affecting you negatively (and slandering the business involved) to the safety of Xcede and their business further because they might get caught doing something that is.... totally legal?

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

I stated my opinion before, and my post was unapproved. Does it bother me that admin only remove some people's posts? No. I actually do not care how the forum is run.

Charlton, this thread was moved to the Advertisers sub section. The Advertiser has the function to moderate their own sub forum. All posts that have been unapproved so far has been done by the Advertiser, and not any one of the forum staff. Even my posts have been unapproved in this thread.

I hope this clears up any ill feelings mentioned above:coolShake:

No ill feelings bru. I'm way to thick skinned for that. :thumbs:

 

[RAArmstrong]

Its fine, everything is a joke until the shit hits the fan. Glad I won't be around to see that, bye.

Bye :wave:

 

[akash]

Here is my 2c, when you buy a BMW the MP contract is between the Owner of the car and BMW. The owners are fully aware of the MP implications when modifying their cars or taking part in any unauthorized Motorsport events.

If the owners accept the risk and tunes the car, then that liability sits with the owner. If something were to go wrong with the car, the owner decides whether to claim via MP or not, not the tuner. Yes the ECU can be returned back to stock, but that is done on the request of the owner.

It’s like an athlete taking a banned substance, the substance maybe legally produced, but the athlete takes the risk of being caught using the substance, not the manufacture of the substance.

xcede's driving point here, is that their flashing system has made it passed OEM checks... so: 'we've never been caught so far even though 6 of our athletes have been called up for testing'

eventually the customer of that car will get busted, so he loses his warranty only.. the costs of car development go up for everyone else.

why should others have to suffer because some bliksem wants a 100kw more out of his new M4 and got his ECU modded? Gizmo is 100% correct here

Are you basing your statement on fact, that tuning increases R&D costs and increases vehicle prices and parts, which you as a customers pay for. If so please can you post an official statement from the manufacturer to substantiate your claim.

For one your ///M cars are not the highest profit generating vehicle for BMW nor the best selling, your base model 3 series is. That being said, it is only obvious that majority of base model 3 series would account for more MP claims than an ///M car.

In my view tuning does not play a major role in the increase in R&D costs.

 

[Acheron]

Wow, the brown nosing is strong in this thread!
I'm saddened to see so many fanatics defending fraudulent action, thick as thieves indeed!
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Cut the self-righteous drivel. Just move on. You've had you say.