Stig46's E36 M3 " Project track car."

[Stig46t]

Awesome build! This is going to be a proper machine! Btw, which track/s are you planning on using?


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would like to race the castrol 111 with Bruce and Bmw cup.

So that would be the usual national tracks .
Kyalami ( if it will still exist)
Zwartkops
Phakisa
East London
killarney
midvaal

And if budget allows it , i'll fit a hydraulic handbrake and enter the drift series

..... Wherever I can get sponsorship .

It's been a lifelong dream and I'm going for it.
I am fitting a second seat so that my son will be enjoying it ( in time trials only )with me and learn to drive the minute his feet can touch the pedals .....

And my mates that want to experience what a real race car feels like compared to a road car ( passenger only tho )

 

[Inactive]

Its speed and sound 111. Lol [/i]

 

[Stig46t]

Its speed and sound 111. Lol [/i]

My bad

 

[Elton_LV]

Subbed....
Been playing with the idea of build a track car but also road legal...
Can't decide on a car and if I'd have enough people to enjoy it with.

Stig46t, you in the JHB area, would be good if you are.
Reckon I'm going to need a lot of help and advise if I do mine

 

[DieselFan]

Well theres quite a bit of track goodies available locally for the e36 I know tartech developed quite a few products locally.

If you have the money I think an e90 track car would be epic. Suspension is much more current.

 

[Elton_LV]

Well theres quite a bit of track goodies available locally for the e36 I know tartech developed quite a few products locally.

If you have the money I think an e90 track car would be epic. Suspension is much more current.

E90 for sure, but don't want to bond the house and starting telling my son that I have to sell him to slavery because dad needs car parts lol.

Also would be my first track car.... Would rather learn on a car that will probably out drive me, move up cars when I start out driving it, that as well as if I don't take to the sport as well as I'm hoping, it wouldn't have cost me an arm and a leg.... Also considering an E30... But now a days, semi clean e30's and e36 are close in price.


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E90 for sure, but don't want to bond the house and starting telling my son that I have to sell him to slavery because dad needs car parts lol.

Also would be my first track car.... Would rather learn on a car that will probably out drive me, move up cars when I start out driving it, that as well as if I don't take to the sport as well as I'm hoping, it wouldn't have cost me an arm and a leg.... Also considering an E30... But now a days, semi clean e30's and e36 are close in price.


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Elton, ive also just gone through the process of building an e36 recently and an E36 is able to be developed into something that cant be out driven - take a look at SAV's Judge or Paul Munro's yellow E36's or even, at the pro level the E36 touring cars......if you are willing to do a lot of the work yourself then take a look at my thread or my Facebook page for some ideas and you will also see how easy it is to get onto the track, especially with some of the race series out there that cater for beginner, low budget guys like me.

Also, be selective to what advice you follow on the net.....lots of good stuff but also lots of internet warriors that have only read something somewhere on some forum and now swear it as gospel. (no offence to anyone)

Stig46t - sorry for the little hi-jack of your thread bud.

 

[Elton_LV]

E90 for sure, but don't want to bond the house and starting telling my son that I have to sell him to slavery because dad needs car parts lol.

Also would be my first track car.... Would rather learn on a car that will probably out drive me, move up cars when I start out driving it, that as well as if I don't take to the sport as well as I'm hoping, it wouldn't have cost me an arm and a leg.... Also considering an E30... But now a days, semi clean e30's and e36 are close in price.


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Elton, ive also just gone through the process of building an e36 recently and an E36 is able to be developed into something that cant be out driven - take a look at SAV's Judge or Paul Munro's yellow E36's or even, at the pro level the E36 touring cars......if you are willing to do a lot of the work yourself then take a look at my thread or my Facebook page for some ideas and you will also see how easy it is to get onto the track, especially with some of the race series out there that cater for beginner, low budget guys like me.

Also, be selective to what advice you follow on the net.....lots of good stuff but also lots of internet warriors that have only read something somewhere on some forum and now swear it as gospel. (no offence to anyone)

Stig46t - sorry for the little hi-jack of your thread bud.

Looking forward in the coming months to finding, building a car and bouncing ideas and trying things with your experience Stig.
Soonish if I can ask for a coffee session, want to ask a host of questions before I buy and start [THUMBS UP SIGN].


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[moranor@axis]

e36 is still a very good base for a track car only real problem is getting more power out of it once you get into it but there are options that side too once you get there

 

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e36 is still a very good base for a track car only real problem is getting more power out of it once you get into it but there are options that side too once you get there

Before power you need to learn to drive......im going through that process now and have already improved my times drastically just by learning to drive. To give you an idea (hopefully not sounding like im bragging because i am a beginner that has a lot to learn), at my last race I was 2.5 seconds faster around Zwartkops than a M3 2 door. My 328 motor is 100% standard except the exhaust and intake.(doesnt sound like much but in a 8 lap race its its 20 seconds which equals about 1/3 of a lap on Zwartkops)

Power on an e36 is easy especially if you have cash. the more cash the more power you have, but its the last thing you should be worrying about.

 

[moranor@axis]

e36 is still a very good base for a track car only real problem is getting more power out of it once you get into it but there are options that side too once you get there

Before power you need to learn to drive......im going through that process now and have already improved my times drastically just by learning to drive. To give you an idea (hopefully not sounding like im bragging because i am a beginner that has a lot to learn), at my last race I was 2.5 seconds faster around Zwartkops than a M3 2 door. My 328 motor is 100% standard except the exhaust and intake.(doesnt sound like much but in a 8 lap race its its 20 seconds which equals about 1/3 of a lap on Zwartkops)

Power on an e36 is easy especially if you have cash. the more cash the more power you have, but its the last thing you should be worrying about.

Agree 100%

 

[Stig46t]

E90 for sure, but don't want to bond the house and starting telling my son that I have to sell him to slavery because dad needs car parts lol.

Also would be my first track car.... Would rather learn on a car that will probably out drive me, move up cars when I start out driving it, that as well as if I don't take to the sport as well as I'm hoping, it wouldn't have cost me an arm and a leg.... Also considering an E30... But now a days, semi clean e30's and e36 are close in price.


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Elton, ive also just gone through the process of building an e36 recently and an E36 is able to be developed into something that cant be out driven - take a look at SAV's Judge or Paul Munro's yellow E36's or even, at the pro level the E36 touring cars......if you are willing to do a lot of the work yourself then take a look at my thread or my Facebook page for some ideas and you will also see how easy it is to get onto the track, especially with some of the race series out there that cater for beginner, low budget guys like me.

Also, be selective to what advice you follow on the net.....lots of good stuff but also lots of internet warriors that have only read something somewhere on some forum and now swear it as gospel. (no offence to anyone)

Stig46t - sorry for the little hi-jack of your thread bud.

Looking forward in the coming months to finding, building a car and bouncing ideas and trying things with your experience Stig.
Soonish if I can ask for a coffee session, want to ask a host of questions before I buy and start [THUMBS UP SIGN].


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+1 on what Bruce is saying below.
I'm in PTA, but always in JHb for work and the track thing.

Coffee session will always be welcome and cool. I'll also give you low down and which guys try to smoke you , and which to trust etc.

Bruce has the best sound advice too, (winning his class ).

I've pm-ed you my cell number , send me yours. we can also chat on whatsapp.

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E90 for sure, but don't want to bond the house and starting telling my son that I have to sell him to slavery because dad needs car parts lol.

Also would be my first track car.... Would rather learn on a car that will probably out drive me, move up cars when I start out driving it, that as well as if I don't take to the sport as well as I'm hoping, it wouldn't have cost me an arm and a leg.... Also considering an E30... But now a days, semi clean e30's and e36 are close in price.


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Elton, ive also just gone through the process of building an e36 recently and an E36 is able to be developed into something that cant be out driven - take a look at SAV's Judge or Paul Munro's yellow E36's or even, at the pro level the E36 touring cars......if you are willing to do a lot of the work yourself then take a look at my thread or my Facebook page for some ideas and you will also see how easy it is to get onto the track, especially with some of the race series out there that cater for beginner, low budget guys like me.

Also, be selective to what advice you follow on the net.....lots of good stuff but also lots of internet warriors that have only read something somewhere on some forum and now swear it as gospel. (no offence to anyone)

Stig46t - sorry for the little hi-jack of your thread bud.

no hijack dude, i totally agree with your statements.

 

[AndreasSA]

Yes I was told the same about the sump (and many other things when I built my car) and after asking around (not on the net) no one i asked has done this not even the guys with high power turbo cars......one of them has been running for 6 years and his motor has never been opened - was also told its a Golf thing.
I dont know....??
Please let me know where i can get a copy of the Motorsport catalouge of Group N cars?

I have one....PM me your mail...

 

[zulu]

Hz, I've been meaning to ask ....how do you plan to prevent the motor from running bearings due to oil starvation, this seems to be a fault/problem on the M motor. There are numerous 'fix's' out there but none to seem to eliminate the problem entirely.

Some of the these inc, over-filling the oil by a pint, 3.2l sump and dual oil pickup, Group N oil restricter in the head, replacing big-end bearings at regular intervals, mods to the oil-pump gear ect.

Cheers

 

[444YYY]

I don't understand this oil starvation problem?
The car was developed on the Nurburgring... And the developers didn't have a problem.
Unless Stig46T is doing oval circuit racing where the car is at a constant slope and experiencing a constant lateral force for long periods, then only there may be reason for concern...

Around the tracks here in SA where there are not many (if at all) constant radius long bends, where there is sustained lateral forces... I don't see a problem.

Obviously oil levels should be at maximum when tracking a car.

Just my opinion of course...

 

[zulu]

One would have thought that the M engineers would have everything sorted.....but if you do a little 'reshearch' one will find that the engine is not 'bullet-proof' under track condotions, especially once tyres and suspension are upgraded resulting in higher corners speeds ect.

 

[AndreasSA]

I don't understand this oil starvation problem?
The car was developed on the Nurburgring... And the developers didn't have a problem.
Unless Stig46T is doing oval circuit racing where the car is at a constant slope and experiencing a constant lateral force for long periods, then only there may be reason for concern...

Around the tracks here in SA where there are not many (if at all) constant radius long bends, where there is sustained lateral forces... I don't see a problem.

Obviously oil levels should be at maximum when tracking a car.

Just my opinion of course...

Might be your opinion but....

The car was tested on the northloop with street tyres....nobody is able to achieve the necessary g-forces with them, if you start using slicks you might reach them and your enginge is gone! Trust me, that is also the reason why they are offering the parts in the group N catalogue for the 3 liter engine! I have some friends which also did not wanted to listen....engine gone!

P.S.: If you fill up the oil to the very high level you will get oil into your air intake system....was already tried by several guys...

 

[zulu]

I don't understand this oil starvation problem?
The car was developed on the Nurburgring... And the developers didn't have a problem.
Unless Stig46T is doing oval circuit racing where the car is at a constant slope and experiencing a constant lateral force for long periods, then only there may be reason for concern...

Around the tracks here in SA where there are not many (if at all) constant radius long bends, where there is sustained lateral forces... I don't see a problem.

Obviously oil levels should be at maximum when tracking a car.

Just my opinion of course...

Might be your opinion but....

The car was tested on the northloop with street tyres....nobody is able to achieve the necessary g-forces with them, if you start using slicks you might reach them and your enginge is gone! Trust me, that is also the reason why they are offering the parts in the group N catalogue for the 3 liter engine! I have some friends which also did not wanted to listen....engine gone!

P.S.: If you fill up the oil to the very high level you will get oil into your air intake system....was already tried by several guys...

Hz, are the parts from the group N catalogue a 'bulletproof' solution...I'm very keen to fit one of these motors into my t/day car but cannot afford the expense of constant engine rebuilds...never mind the associated heartache and aggravation.

Could you pm me the catalogue or link please. Cheers

 

[444YYY]

Point taken guys :thumbs:

 

[AndreasSA]

Give me your e-mail please.

I know that the mods are bullett proofed...but not necessary for street legal cars! Even with Semis you struggle to reach the g force to destroy the engine...

I modified a street legal M3E36 in germany and even with semis on the north loop I was not able to kill the engine! But there were also no major mods on wheel alignment (minor increase of chamber only for example)....