Sports pack ride height

[Gizmo]

Yes but reason was backed up by documentation from BMW.

And like I said they say its not like that. And the E90 is made in SA. So it was designed as a Right hand drive Car

Yes they are built in SA but designed in Germany for LHD!!!

I have read the documentation by BMW a while back, I didn't save it because its common knowledge, just because a few would-be fanatics don't believe it doesn't mean its not true. How much info do we have to force feed you until you get the picture???

 

[moranor@axis]

orsim1 im surprised you came back after this d!ck swinging contest...

No i dont think your springs should be sagging yet at all the car is too new... maybe have a look to see if all your shock rubbers and spring perches are there...

from the way you speak, you have gotten one of those swingers...smack bang on your forehead?:biglol:

go back and read what i posted in this thread... all i did was try inject some reason into this tread when it started going south...

If you trying to incite an argument you doing a pretty good job...

 

[Gizmo]

Azzkikr and edwinz get your heads out of each others anuses please!!!

:biglol:

I have never seen a more childish response... Dude, really, you a good person, don't tarnish your rep by following the one bad sheep.

Sorry, I stooped to their level and was beaten by experience. It won't happen again.

 

[Edwinz]

Yes but reason was backed up by documentation from BMW.

And like I said they say its not like that. And the E90 is made in SA. So it was designed as a Right hand drive Car

Yes they are built in SA but designed in Germany for LHD!!!

I have read the documentation by BMW a while back, I didn't save it because its common knowledge, just because a few would-be fanatics don't believe it doesn't mean its not true. How much info do we have to force feed you until you get the picture???

Forcefeed me the website that says a BMW came out like with the one side lower then the other then yes..

But If you are talking about the aging of the suspension then yes. I did admit to that a few posts ago. If you did not notice. Because common sense is present when aging and wear and tear comes into play.

But not when released as stated in previous post. So yes you are right Gizmo. After the years it will wear down. But that's why it is a replaceable part and should be replaced at the stage where it sags.

So then it should not be said to a fellow fanatic that this is normal because this is the way BMW are maid for Driver Weight compensation.

So yes you are right. I agree.:thumbs:

But I was not wrong when stating the my facts. because I was arguing the point that its normal cos BMW makes it like that.

So you don't need to Force feed info into me, maybe you should just feed the info into the right argument.:thumbs:

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Azzkikr and edwinz get your heads out of each others anuses please!!!

:biglol:

I have never seen a more childish response... Dude, really, you a good person, don't tarnish your rep by following the one bad sheep.

Sorry, I stooped to their level and was beaten by experience. It won't happen again.

You see you did not stoop to my level as I was not being childish.
so you just stooped to your own level.

And just by saying that you stooped to our level just proves that exactly.

 

[Arbee]

Gizmo - The point, you are not getting it...

You saying that the driver puts the 10mm excess to rest, which yes is understandable. But, it is not stated by manufacturers that they have raised a car by 10mm to cater for the driver... Understandable, but not FACT!!!

 

[Gizmo]

Look, I know Im right. I am not the only one that knows it. You guys can bitch and complain about it all day, its not going to change the fact that it has been documented on Bimmerforums, E46fanatics and a few other BMW forums, I am not going to dredge through the overseas forums trying to find it again, its just not worth my time/effort to prove you wrong, I have wasted enough time trying to show you the truth when clearly you don't want any part of it...Rant over.

 

[AshG108]

orsim1 im surprised you came back after this d!ck swinging contest...

No i dont think your springs should be sagging yet at all the car is too new... maybe have a look to see if all your shock rubbers and spring perches are there...

from the way you speak, you have gotten one of those swingers...smack bang on your forehead?:biglol:

go back and read what i posted in this thread... all i did was try inject some reason into this tread when it started going south...

If you trying to incite an argument you doing a pretty good job...

its a joke, try see that i finish apologize to you, and i was cracking another one. why dont you go take a break and read the posts later, then you will understand instead of jsut having a hot head now or did you perhaps miss my apology???

:tease:

 

[Edwinz]

Did you miss the fact about the same part/ part number for both sides?

Confirmed by 2 BMW agents and The OEM website.

Jeez you are more clever then BMW.
You should start your own Brand of car. And maybe if you are really lucky they will give you a job as a part number-er and adviser. Surely they will pay you millions for realizing that they have been mistaking for years.

O and btw. Everybody said you are right to. But obviously to blinded by the ego of the name you got on the forum to realize that.

We just saying that we are right as well.

But you are the winner.:bravo: How about we give you a prize for being so 100% right. How about a submarine exhaust pipe?

 

[AshG108]

Azzkikr and edwinz get your heads out of each others anuses please!!!

:biglol:

I have never seen a more childish response... Dude, really, you a good person, don't tarnish your rep by following the one bad sheep.

Sorry, I stooped to their level and was beaten by experience. It won't happen again.

Dude - you stooped to our level?
you were the one who gave the silly post about heads in asses...you cant comphrehend, so you get personal and fling insults??? The Pot calling the kettle black....?

it is quite simple:
FACT: No vehicle comes out of the factory lop-sided
UNDERSTAND: With aging and wear n tear, it can happen.

We all agree?

Now, i aint taking anything personally cause i dont think we should be doing that as we are all adults?:thumbs:

 

[Gizmo]

Jeez you are more clever then BMW.
You should start your own Brand of car. And maybe if you are really lucky they will give you a job as a part number-er and adviser. Surely they will pay you millions for realizing that they have been mistaking for years.
But you are the winner.:bravo: How about we give you a prize for being so 100% right. How about a submarine exhaust pipe?

Go and read my first post again. I stood up for Sank because he is correct.
Maybe I should take advice from you, a child in this BMW industry?
This your first BMW and now suddenly you know more than the guys that have been in this BMW industry long before you could read? Seriously?
With your attitude you should go back to your Sh!t Talker's forum...
Kids of today...:nonono:

 

[Edwinz]

Are you feeling ok. As you can see I don't know more then others.

but i researched it and got proof. Sank's second post was correct about the wear and tear yes. But BMW DOES NOT MAKE A LOB SIDED CAR OUT OF THE FACTORY AS YOU WERE STATING.

And funny enough you said you measured your E36 correct. With its stansard suspension and all.

So yes kids of today.

O and smart ass - BMW is not the only car that has suspension and websites where you can research. All cars have that.

So I do not need to be a BMW expert. All I need is the info provided by legitimate sources and you are not one of them. Nor a fellow fanatic saying to another one that your BMW suspension is suppose to be like that even after you have failed a roadworthy because of it. Now that's why you a more clever then me:biglol:

 

[AshG108]

Jeez you are more clever then BMW.
You should start your own Brand of car. And maybe if you are really lucky they will give you a job as a part number-er and adviser. Surely they will pay you millions for realizing that they have been mistaking for years.
But you are the winner.:bravo: How about we give you a prize for being so 100% right. How about a submarine exhaust pipe?

Go and read my first post again. I stood up for Sank because he is correct.
Maybe I should take advice from you, a child in this BMW industry?
This your first BMW and now suddenly you know more than the guys that have been in this BMW industry long before you could read? Seriously?
With your attitude you should go back to your Sh!t Talker's forum...
Kids of today...:nonono:

Dude, read my post above and stop throwing insults. if you guys carry on throwing insults at each other, nothing will end or stop now.

Behave and stop insults, insults are very immature and isn't helping anything at all. and stop judging people, you have no right to judge Edwinz or anyone for that matter. your sure you have had more than one BMW, but everyone can learn each other, ou will never be able to know everything, no matter how long you think you have been owning the vehicle from that brand.

and if you think that people are children on this forum cause they have their first BMW's, then maybe....just maybe you are too old for this forum cause a lot of us here, are new owners of these vehicles and maybe you need to go join a forum with older contributors. doesn't give you any right to tell someone to go back to any other forum.

AGAIN! you are wrong by throwing insults and getting personal, and if you think you are not the child, then you are even more wrong to supposedly be more mature and be able to retaliate with the above approach.

you are respected for your knowledge and that si the truth, no-one can take that away from you but you will and can never know it all, dont ever forget! No-one can know it all and everything, so give people a chance cause they also have knowledge and OLD dogs can learn NEW tricks.

Everyone can contribute and even a new owner can know more than you, doesn't mean the person is new, that he didn't research for a long time before making his decision??? you gained your experience through making, breaking and being involved during ownership, nowadays, people do all that without expense by research and avoid that before purchase.

Now, if you are older then do the right thing, if you dont, then you are nothing more than immature by the way you hurl your insults.

 

[Edwinz]

Agreed.

I am stopping this now. Like I said Gizmo you are right about the subject you were talking about.

But I was right about the subject I was talking about. Proven and supported by BMW themselves.

It was a misunderstood subject.

All's good. And I believe arguments are good because the fact that this became one made all of us research the matter instead of just blabbering away.

Hope you sort it. bud.

 

[Gizmo]

Explain to me how the USA have the same problem with the right side being lower than the left, if it is saggy suspension then wouldn't the left side be lower than the right? Given the fact that the average american driver weighs 150kg, this would cause the left suspension to sag more, yet its not the case because the suspension was designed that way for driver compensation....

I also said that I haven't measured the e90 to see if it does the same thing as the e36 and e46. If all you e90 owners measure and say that it is perfectly level then I take your word for it. I am not here to throw insults but you have to realize that this forum and my garage is my passion yet also my bread and butter. I have dedicated my life to BMWs and pride myself in the knowledge I have gathered in the past 20years of working on the brand. I may get a little heated when someone tells me I don't know what Im talking about but you have to understand I don't come into YOUR office and tell YOU are talking crap. Lets just tone it down a little guys.:thumbs:

To the O.P, the Head Workshop Manager said it because previous 3 series models were like that. He is just going on what he knows from previous experience, as am I and Sank.
Take a tape measure with you and go measure some e90's in the dealer with the Manager present before you build a case.:thumbs:

 

[moranor@axis]

orsim1 im surprised you came back after this d!ck swinging contest...

No i dont think your springs should be sagging yet at all the car is too new... maybe have a look to see if all your shock rubbers and spring perches are there...

from the way you speak, you have gotten one of those swingers...smack bang on your forehead?:biglol:

go back and read what i posted in this thread... all i did was try inject some reason into this tread when it started going south...

If you trying to incite an argument you doing a pretty good job...

its a joke, try see that i finish apologize to you, and i was cracking another one. why dont you go take a break and read the posts later, then you will understand instead of jsut having a hot head now or did you perhaps miss my apology???

:tease:

you probably right i dont see much humor in this thread...

 

[Edwinz]

Ja nobody said that you don't know.

We actually admitted that you are right about the sagging suspension over the years.

But the guys at BMW said both sides are the same because they use the same part on both sides. And I just say they won't do the driver compensation due to the fact that its a passenger car as well. but that's only my opinion.

So maybe they have miss informed or something. But I do agree about the sagging over the years.

Lets see what happens and when gets back with the results.

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And I have tried searching for driver compensation but I could not find anything.

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RHD.

Here we go. Got this from a website stating how manufacturers compensate for driver weight. And its not by making the car Lob Sided. Its by Hardening the spring on the driver side.

Suspension and brakes
Accounting for the added weight of the driver in a right-hand drive vehicle coupled to the fact that the propeller shaft for front wheels is located on the right side of the vehicle; the GT-R’s suspension in RHD versions has been set asymmetrically. For the front suspension, there’s a harder spring rate on the left side while at the rear the suspension arm has been installed upwards on the left side and downwards on the right. This means an imbalanced wheel load when the car is stationary, but which is equalized during driving, providing improved responsiveness, smoothness and steering feel, as well as enhanced cornering stability and riding comfort (for RHD only).

 

[Gizmo]

I will find that info and put this one to bed...:bangdesk:

 

[Edwinz]

Cool Gizmo. Thanks.

Cos after all that is the reason for me signing up to this forum, to find out more and get advice.

It will be much appreciated. :thumbs:

 

[Luis Malhou]

I see the initial post went totally south!!!

I have been around cars mostly BMW all my life.. So my 2 cents worth!

The roadworthy centre failed the car for not being level, I have been at numerous test centres and cars level has never been checked or failed, perhaps these okes by you are real finicky.
1. Were you present when he pointed it out? Did you see it?
2. Was the assistant in the car when he noticed it??? u never know!!
3. Since the car is pretty new, a. the springs have sagged over time due to a big boy having been the pre-owner, (not likely), b. springs on one of the sides was changed out, maybe due to a pothole damage? Springs are marked with colour coding giving their load or 'hardness', all 4 corners should have the same colour coded springs.
4. If you not happy with the current BMW dealership take it somewhere else for second opinion.
5. If all seems ok now , take it back, get the test done and passed and leave it at that.
6. If you still not too happy, take it to a good BMW dealership, let them check, shocks, mounts, if all is ok , then forget about it and enjoy the drive!!!

(LOL.. are your rims and tyres same size all around... he he hee.. just checking)

 

[frikkieh]

Let me try to contribute to the thread (not the head chewining contest):

BMW e46 2000, 262 000km Sport pack 17" wheels (narrow / wide),tank at 1/2:
225/45R17:
LFront - 140mm
RFront - 132mm
245/40R17:
LRear - 114mm
RRear - 114mm

BMW e90 2006, 91000km Individual 16" wheels (standard) tank at full 1/1:
225/50R16 all round:
LFront - 147mm
RFront - 140mm
LRear - 140mm
RRear - 147mm

:thinking:

Modify: added tank readings