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Sports pack ride height
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AshG108
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Gizmo said:
the height compensation on any car, will be (if any) nothing more then 0.8mm. if any higher, it will be an affect on the aerodynamics of the vehicle, basically a huge change which we will also be able to spot with the naked eye (i am sure you will agree on that since you built your cars and have the eye to see the smallest mis-alignment) but the factor of 10mm for the car to compensate is really too much.
the main point is, compensate or not, 10mm will be alot for the car to sit of. tell me if you get a 120kg fella, on the way home from SPUR, in his Atoz affecting the ride height HELL YEAH! (and that is a funny picture right) but on a BMW, i mean really now, i dont think the compnesation will be so big cause BMW parts are much more stronger?
let me know if i have confused you or messed up my long story above:thumbs:
Gizmo said:
Hey, whats your problem now??? i was still typing my understanding and now you being rude????
Edwinz
New member
E36 rear suspension
This is from the same website. And it also has one part number for both sides.
And weight compensation is done on track and individual sports cars.
Due to the fact that BMW does not know who will drive the car i.e.
Sue = 50kg
Edwin = 109kg
Greg = 137kg.
Yes I agree with sank. after the years it will wear down and start sinking. but then it is time to replace it and put the right and left side in with the same part number.
Hope you get it sorted. Keep us updated please. will be interesting to know what the issue was
This is from the same website. And it also has one part number for both sides.
And weight compensation is done on track and individual sports cars.
Due to the fact that BMW does not know who will drive the car i.e.
Sue = 50kg
Edwin = 109kg
Greg = 137kg.
Yes I agree with sank. after the years it will wear down and start sinking. but then it is time to replace it and put the right and left side in with the same part number.
Hope you get it sorted. Keep us updated please. will be interesting to know what the issue was
Arbee
Honorary ///Member
Gizmo said:
:biglol:
I have never seen a more childish response... Dude, really, you a good person, don't tarnish your rep by following the one bad sheep.
The point - There was a generalization that cars are lop sided due to it having a batter, engine, etc... Its not true, if BMW in Germany design a car with a person in the drivers seat dont you think they would have taking into consideration that an engine,etc will also be in the car?
The solution - The OP needs to take his car so a suspension specialist to check why his car is lop sided. So much so that it failed Roadworthy and we all know the guys doing roadworthy wont give 2 hoots about it usually.
Come on guys, think about what you saying...
Edwinz
New member
Gizmo = service, maintenance and repairs.
U are a fu8king sore thumb bro. You were wrong. Now don't be a POES about it.
We all have been wrong. But f*ck admit it and don't become a cunt about it. In fact I am so turned on about you being one that I want be up you:thumbs:
Shame talk about misguided and ignorant o and uneducated.
+100000
U are a fu8king sore thumb bro. You were wrong. Now don't be a POES about it.
We all have been wrong. But f*ck admit it and don't become a cunt about it. In fact I am so turned on about you being one that I want be up you:thumbs:
Shame talk about misguided and ignorant o and uneducated.
Mr_Arbee said:
+100000
Edwinz
New member
netercol said:
Exactly. I don't know what the hell is up today but ja.
I apologize If I have been rude or anything but don't get personal. Full stop.
This thread was a discussion on suspension. Not anuses.
And I believe I have provided enough FACTS to show and state the truth to help out a fellow fanatic.
aZZ_kIkR said:
i was simply saying this argument is pointless because there will be no irrefutable proof of anything because bmw wont publish every small alteration they make to their cars why should they?
and i said i was not participating anymore because i dont agree there is not a problem with bmws being lower on one side, but i also dont see the point in digging up the info and posting it up if it will not be considered good enough proof anyway...
I find your comment completely uncalled for :thumbdo:
AshG108
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netercol said:
you would think we could but as you can see, one person googles, the other is so far up his ass that he uses his toes to type and then when proven wrong, they start hurling insults.....
and when we do talk nicely, they still tickling their fannies so they dont bother to say...oops, i thought wrong.
moranor said:
i know, and i was telling you, that you didnt need to tell us you leaving or not, atleast i cared to say bye? :joy:
:sorry: but no offense intended:thumbs:
Edwinz said:
Edwinz!!! Dude, PLEASE, lay of the Chicken Licken HOT WINGS!!!!!!!:nonono::flyfun:
NOT ON!!!!!:nonono:
Thank you guys for all your replies thus far, some of which deviate from the topic but hey, that's all good.
The main point that stands out in this topic is 'Reasearch & Development', it just does not make business sense for any vehicle manufacturer to invest large sums of funds into R&D only to have an inconsistent production line build of vehicles whereby a percentage of them 'specifically those installed with sports packs' are approx 10mm lower on the right in comparison to the left, for whatever reason, as that seriously compromises the safety of the vehicle and passengers which goes against it's highly acclaimed Euro NCAP safety standards. But if i think of it maybe, we South Africans are the targeted focus group for ongoing R&D ito 'on the road' testing with live test dummies so as to ensure that no 1st / 2nd countries lives are put at risk.
Like my opening statement, i once again thank all for their responses as i've lodged complaint cases with BMW AG Group, BMW SA and the Consumer Protection.
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The main point that stands out in this topic is 'Reasearch & Development', it just does not make business sense for any vehicle manufacturer to invest large sums of funds into R&D only to have an inconsistent production line build of vehicles whereby a percentage of them 'specifically those installed with sports packs' are approx 10mm lower on the right in comparison to the left, for whatever reason, as that seriously compromises the safety of the vehicle and passengers which goes against it's highly acclaimed Euro NCAP safety standards. But if i think of it maybe, we South Africans are the targeted focus group for ongoing R&D ito 'on the road' testing with live test dummies so as to ensure that no 1st / 2nd countries lives are put at risk.
Like my opening statement, i once again thank all for their responses as i've lodged complaint cases with BMW AG Group, BMW SA and the Consumer Protection.
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Sankekur said:e90 fuel tank:
Not how it is larger on the right than on the left. So more fuel, which means it is heavier.
Now look at any BMW with and inline engine, which way is it slanted? It is always to the right (apart from the M1)
Which means more weight to the right as well.
Now in a LHD car (which a BMW is designed to be) the drivers sits on the left, so they have extra weight on the right, this means that with a driver in the left seat it will again shift the centre of mass to the middle of the car.
Now springs are made of metal which for the most part will undergo elastic deformation, unless a certain force threshold is exceeded then it will undergo plastic deformation (which means it won't return back to its original shape), but there is another condition that also give way to plastic deformation and this is a sub-threshold force applied, but over a long time - like the weight of the car on the springs. So over time the springs will tend to sag and the amount of sag will be dependant on the force on them (higher sub-threshold force will result in more sag than a lower one) so the springs on the heavier side will sag more. Now with more weight on the right hand side plus the added weight of the driver the right side will tend to sag more than the left. The older the car is the more pronounced this will be of course.
The car is a demo, registered Oct 2011 E90 with only 7500kms. Does the above still apply?
orsim1 said:Sankekur said:e90 fuel tank:
Not how it is larger on the right than on the left. So more fuel, which means it is heavier.
Now look at any BMW with and inline engine, which way is it slanted? It is always to the right (apart from the M1)
Which means more weight to the right as well.
Now in a LHD car (which a BMW is designed to be) the drivers sits on the left, so they have extra weight on the right, this means that with a driver in the left seat it will again shift the centre of mass to the middle of the car.
Now springs are made of metal which for the most part will undergo elastic deformation, unless a certain force threshold is exceeded then it will undergo plastic deformation (which means it won't return back to its original shape), but there is another condition that also give way to plastic deformation and this is a sub-threshold force applied, but over a long time - like the weight of the car on the springs. So over time the springs will tend to sag and the amount of sag will be dependant on the force on them (higher sub-threshold force will result in more sag than a lower one) so the springs on the heavier side will sag more. Now with more weight on the right hand side plus the added weight of the driver the right side will tend to sag more than the left. The older the car is the more pronounced this will be of course.
The car is a demo, registered Oct 2011 E90 with only 7500kms. Does the above still apply?
Btw, i only weigh 78 kgs.
orsim1 im surprised you came back after this d!ck swinging contest...
No i dont think your springs should be sagging yet at all the car is too new... maybe have a look to see if all your shock rubbers and spring perches are there...
No i dont think your springs should be sagging yet at all the car is too new... maybe have a look to see if all your shock rubbers and spring perches are there...
