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MR_Y
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Agree.
Most people out of Plan, just re-glue the panels back and it works.
From what I hear, the usual vehicle maintenance items and service costs are not that outrageous, when compared to say a modern M car for example.
MR_Y
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The one 996 Turbo owner is already on this forum
DeadbeatFM
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MR_Y
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Hi @DeadbeatFM.
Michelin pilot sport 4S all the way.
Wears nicely, grips/handles very well for normal roads in wet or dry.
Had it on my 981 Cayman S and my S60 Polestar.
I had Pirelli on my 981 Boxster, but hardly drove that car to make an accurate assessment.
DeadbeatFM
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Cool, I got a quote a quote on the Pilot Sport 4 yesterday which we will probably go ahead with. We currently have Pirelli's which are long overdue to be changed!
MR_Y
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I have travelled +2,000km, or 61 hours of driving time, so far since taking delivery at the end of March. Mix of daily driving and weekend blasting.
In addition to my comments earlier on in this thread, here are some other observations:
981 vs 991.1 comfort and NVH:
The car is definitely more comfortable and less frenetic (could be due to the better sound insulation and there being no sports exhaust) than my Cayman S. Also, having a larger, torquier engine does mean the 911 feels marginally more relaxed on the open road when cruising. However, when the mood strikes, a flex of the loud pedal is enough to change character from commuter to racer.
Sport Design bumper:
The Sport Design lower front bumper does touch on steep ramps and SUV-designed speed bumps (which are becoming more common in Sandton these days). The PPF on the lower lip is taking a beating, but it is only visible underneath the bumper. I am not too concerned. Will take on more scuffs before painting and reapplying a strip of PPF (not this year though). Picture below looks worse than it actually is.
Cabin air filter:
Porsche changed the cabin air filter and disinfected the air con too after I mentioned the smell. I had also tried disinfecting the system myself using a fogger. Anyway, 2 weeks later and the stale smell is gone. I am looking for a nice diffuser in Oud scent just to elevate the interior ambience.
Armrest:
The central armrest developed an annoying squeak when placing your arm on it. After some Googling, I found the solution. The closing clip needs padding wrapped on it to fill in the gap where it flexes into the slot. Problem solved.
Ackerman Effect:
The Ackerman Effect, which is common to all Porsche sports cars (not really their SUVs, sedans) is very noticeable when the tyres are cold. Not an issue with the car, but potential Porsche buyers should be aware that this is normal. The Ackerman Effect results in one hearing and feeling the front wheels skip/shudder when turning the steering, at greater lock, at parking speeds. This goes away when the rubber warms up.
Throttle response in Normal mode:
The throttle response in Normal mode can be a bit delayed at times, especially when in traffic and you want a quick blast to take a gap in the traffic or just overtake. The accelerator has a bit of travel before activating the required forward surge in Normal mode. In Sport mode, that activation point is higher up, so it responds quicker. From what I researched, it appears to be a trait of this car - more a throttle design feature. Solution is to leave it in Sport, or be mindful to press down the pedal with a bit more pressure in Normal mode to reach the activation point quicker (though not too far down for kick down, which will be a bit too aggressive for driving in traffic).
Hot hatch brigade encounters:
Being a red 911 with a ducktail, I am a target for a hot hatches. Most of these cars, especially the hyper hatches, are likely driven by youngsters with more money and pumped up courage than skill. Unless the road is clear and quiet, I do not entertain their challenges and I just move to the left and let them pass. The 991.1 is unlikely to keep up with, say, a new A45S in a straight line, so why bother anyway. On curvy backroads, if quiet, and if I can sense that the driver knows what he is doing, then a friendly run is worth engaging in.
Exhaust thoughts:
After some researching, I learned that the 991.1 Carrera S (even without PSE - Porsche Sports Exhaust - fitted) has an upgraded active muffler over the base Carerra. In Sport or Sports Plus mode (with Sports Chrono fitted), there is a distinct change in tone - a nice gruff sound. The PSE tweaks this further and adds gurgles and pops at the push of the PSE button. Having owned a 981 Cayman S with PSE, I know that it sounds great, but it can become very tiring if left on for extended periods. The issue I had with my 981 is that I felt I needed to always leave the PSE on because I paid for it (it was factory fitted but I paid for it implicitly as part of the car's purchase price) and if I was not using it, I was wasting it. By not having PSE in the 991, I don't think about that opportunity cost of having it and not using it and I can live in peace without going deaf - weird logic, I know
Fuel consumption:
In mixed urban traffic and highway driving to work, I am getting 13-14 litres per 100km. Long term average, with daily driving and weekend blasts, is a very respectable 12 litres per 100km. As context, this is a 3.8 litre motor that is shared with the 981 GT4, though the 991 has slightly more power.
Audio system:
The car has PCM with Nav. 235w, 9 speaker system is okay (similar to my 981 Cayman S) but not as good as the Macan S Diesel PCM in terms of sound quality. No Android Auto and no retrofit possible, unless one goes the aftermarket route. I decided to keep it stock for now. My phone does the streaming and nav job and Bluetooth works fine. An upgrade may be on the cards at a later stage.
Front grille mesh:
Very happy with the performance of the front grille mesh. Note that non GT3 911s have exposed front radiators/condensers (much like the latest M2). The dealer added these meshes as part of my deal at no cost. They do an excellent job of keeping leaves, bugs and stones out. Highly recommended this if you have a sports car that is being daily driven.
That's all the updates for now.
Thanks for reading.
In addition to my comments earlier on in this thread, here are some other observations:
981 vs 991.1 comfort and NVH:
The car is definitely more comfortable and less frenetic (could be due to the better sound insulation and there being no sports exhaust) than my Cayman S. Also, having a larger, torquier engine does mean the 911 feels marginally more relaxed on the open road when cruising. However, when the mood strikes, a flex of the loud pedal is enough to change character from commuter to racer.
Sport Design bumper:
The Sport Design lower front bumper does touch on steep ramps and SUV-designed speed bumps (which are becoming more common in Sandton these days). The PPF on the lower lip is taking a beating, but it is only visible underneath the bumper. I am not too concerned. Will take on more scuffs before painting and reapplying a strip of PPF (not this year though). Picture below looks worse than it actually is.
Cabin air filter:
Porsche changed the cabin air filter and disinfected the air con too after I mentioned the smell. I had also tried disinfecting the system myself using a fogger. Anyway, 2 weeks later and the stale smell is gone. I am looking for a nice diffuser in Oud scent just to elevate the interior ambience.
Armrest:
The central armrest developed an annoying squeak when placing your arm on it. After some Googling, I found the solution. The closing clip needs padding wrapped on it to fill in the gap where it flexes into the slot. Problem solved.
Ackerman Effect:
The Ackerman Effect, which is common to all Porsche sports cars (not really their SUVs, sedans) is very noticeable when the tyres are cold. Not an issue with the car, but potential Porsche buyers should be aware that this is normal. The Ackerman Effect results in one hearing and feeling the front wheels skip/shudder when turning the steering, at greater lock, at parking speeds. This goes away when the rubber warms up.
Throttle response in Normal mode:
The throttle response in Normal mode can be a bit delayed at times, especially when in traffic and you want a quick blast to take a gap in the traffic or just overtake. The accelerator has a bit of travel before activating the required forward surge in Normal mode. In Sport mode, that activation point is higher up, so it responds quicker. From what I researched, it appears to be a trait of this car - more a throttle design feature. Solution is to leave it in Sport, or be mindful to press down the pedal with a bit more pressure in Normal mode to reach the activation point quicker (though not too far down for kick down, which will be a bit too aggressive for driving in traffic).
Hot hatch brigade encounters:
Being a red 911 with a ducktail, I am a target for a hot hatches. Most of these cars, especially the hyper hatches, are likely driven by youngsters with more money and pumped up courage than skill. Unless the road is clear and quiet, I do not entertain their challenges and I just move to the left and let them pass. The 991.1 is unlikely to keep up with, say, a new A45S in a straight line, so why bother anyway. On curvy backroads, if quiet, and if I can sense that the driver knows what he is doing, then a friendly run is worth engaging in.
Exhaust thoughts:
After some researching, I learned that the 991.1 Carrera S (even without PSE - Porsche Sports Exhaust - fitted) has an upgraded active muffler over the base Carerra. In Sport or Sports Plus mode (with Sports Chrono fitted), there is a distinct change in tone - a nice gruff sound. The PSE tweaks this further and adds gurgles and pops at the push of the PSE button. Having owned a 981 Cayman S with PSE, I know that it sounds great, but it can become very tiring if left on for extended periods. The issue I had with my 981 is that I felt I needed to always leave the PSE on because I paid for it (it was factory fitted but I paid for it implicitly as part of the car's purchase price) and if I was not using it, I was wasting it. By not having PSE in the 991, I don't think about that opportunity cost of having it and not using it and I can live in peace without going deaf - weird logic, I know
Fuel consumption:
In mixed urban traffic and highway driving to work, I am getting 13-14 litres per 100km. Long term average, with daily driving and weekend blasts, is a very respectable 12 litres per 100km. As context, this is a 3.8 litre motor that is shared with the 981 GT4, though the 991 has slightly more power.
Audio system:
The car has PCM with Nav. 235w, 9 speaker system is okay (similar to my 981 Cayman S) but not as good as the Macan S Diesel PCM in terms of sound quality. No Android Auto and no retrofit possible, unless one goes the aftermarket route. I decided to keep it stock for now. My phone does the streaming and nav job and Bluetooth works fine. An upgrade may be on the cards at a later stage.
Front grille mesh:
Very happy with the performance of the front grille mesh. Note that non GT3 911s have exposed front radiators/condensers (much like the latest M2). The dealer added these meshes as part of my deal at no cost. They do an excellent job of keeping leaves, bugs and stones out. Highly recommended this if you have a sports car that is being daily driven.
That's all the updates for now.
Thanks for reading.
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TBP88
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One big up about the GT4 is that bottom bumper is just plastic - getting chowed properly now. I can't imagine what it's gonna look like on my car in another 3 or 4yrs. haha.I have travelled +2,000km, or 61 hours of driving time, so far since taking delivery at the end of March. Mix of daily driving and weekend blasting.
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In addition to my comments earlier on in this thread, here are some other observations:
981 vs 991.1 comfort and NVH:
The car is definitely more comfortable and less frenetic (could be due to the better sound insulation and there being no sports exhaust) than my Cayman S. Also, having a larger, torquier engine does mean the 911 feels marginally more relaxed on the open road when cruising. However, when the mood strikes, a flex of the loud pedal is enough to change character from commuter to racer.
Sport Design bumper:
The Sport Design lower front bumper does touch on steep ramps and SUV-designed speed bumps (which are becoming more common in Sandton these days). The PPF on the lower lip is taking a beating, but it is only visible underneath the bumper. I am not too concerned. Will take on more scuffs before painting and reapplying a strip of PPF (not this year though). Picture below looks worse than it actually is.
View attachment 22145
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Cabin air filter:
Porsche changed the cabin air filter and disinfected the air con too after I mentioned the smell. I had also tried disinfecting the system myself using a fogger. Anyway, 2 weeks later and the stale smell is gone. I am looking for a nice diffuser in Oud scent just to elevate the interior ambience.
Armrest:
The central armrest developed an annoying squeak when placing your arm on it. After some Googling, I found the solution. The closing clip needs padding wrapped on it to fill in the gap where it flexes into the slot. Problem solved.
Ackerman Effect:
The Ackerman Effect, which is common to all Porsche sports cars (not really their SUVs, sedans) is very noticeable when the tyres are cold. Not an issue with the car, but potential Porsche buyers should be aware that this is normal. The Ackerman Effect results in one hearing and feeling the front wheels skip/shudder when turning the steering, at greater lock, at parking speeds. This goes away when the rubber warms up.
Throttle response in Normal mode:
The throttle response in Normal mode can be a bit delayed at times, especially when in traffic and you want a quick blast to take a gap in the traffic or just overtake. The accelerator has a bit of travel before activating the required forward surge in Normal mode. In Sport mode, that activation point is higher up, so it responds quicker. From what I researched, it appears to be a trait of this car - more a throttle design feature. Solution is to leave it in Sport, or be mindful to press down the pedal with a bit more pressure in Normal mode to reach the activation point quicker (though not too far down for kick down, which will be a bit too aggressive for driving in traffic).
Hot hatch brigade encounters:
Being a red 911 with a ducktail, I am a target for a hot hatches. Most of these cars, especially the hyper hatches, are likely driven by youngsters with more money and pumped up courage than skill. Unless the road is clear and quiet, I do not entertain their challenges and I just move to the left and let them pass. The 991.1 is unlikely to keep up with, say, a new A45S in a straight line, so why bother anyway. On curvy backroads, if quiet, and if I can sense that the driver knows what he is doing, then a friendly run is worth engaging in.
Exhaust thoughts:
After some researching, I learned that the 991.1 Carrera S (even without PSE - Porsche Sports Exhaust - fitted) has an upgraded active muffler over the base Carerra. In Sport or Sports Plus mode (with Sports Chrono fitted), there is a distinct change in tone - a nice gruff sound. The PSE tweaks this further and adds gurgles and pops at the push of the PSE button. Having owned a 981 Cayman S with PSE, I know that it sounds great, but it can become very tiring if left on for extended periods. The issue I had with my 981 is that I felt I needed to always leave the PSE on because I paid for it (it was factory fitted but I paid for it implicitly as part of the car's purchase price) and if I was not using it, I was wasting it. By not having PSE in the 991, I don't think about that opportunity cost of having it and not using it and I can live in peace without going deaf - weird logic, I know
Fuel consumption:
In mixed urban traffic and highway driving to work, I am getting 13-14 litres per 100km. Long term average, with daily driving and weekend blasts, is a very respectable 12 litres per 100km. As context, this is a 3.8 litre motor that is shared with the 981 GT4, though the 991 has slightly more power.
Audio system:
The car has PCM with Nav. 235w, 9 speaker system is okay (similar to my 981 Cayman S) but not as good as the Macan S Diesel PCM in terms of sound quality. No Android Auto and no retrofit possible, unless one goes the aftermarket route. I decided to keep it stock for now. My phone does the streaming and nav job and Bluetooth works fine. An upgrade may be on the cards at a later stage.
Front grille mesh:
Very happy with the performance of the front grille mesh. Note that non GT3 911s have exposed front radiators/condensers (much like the latest M2). The dealer added these meshes as part of my deal at no cost. They do an excellent job of keeping leaves, bugs and stones out. Highly recommended this if you have a sports car that is being daily driven.
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That's all the updates for now.
Thanks for reading.
On the android auto, with 997s having just become "porsche classic" the 991 is not too far behind, I think launch year was 2011? So in about 7yrs time it'll be there with all the official support. Once it's off plan I don't see what you'd lose by doing the mod and just getting your own thing fitted, assuming it had a nice clean OEM+ look.
Looking good otherwise though!
MR_Y
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My 996 Turbo mate says the official Porsche Classic Retrofit system is around R50k 😲
Anyway, there is a slick Sony product that fits perfectly in the 991.1 and does not have any FongKong intergration, but a neat Sony interface with Android Auto . I think it is the XAV 5550d unit. May consider it in future and keep the original head unit come resale
///Maniac
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@MR_Y have a look at this for Android Auto/Apple Carplay. Would it not work in your car?
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MR_Y
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I had received some questions on what OEM sports kit is fitted to my car and how it differs from the other official OEM sports kit and the standard body.
Here is the visual comparison.
The left is the standard body.
The middle is Sport Design Package.
The right is the Aero Cup Kit (this is an add-on over the Sport Design).
The front bumper extends lower in the Sport Design vs the standard car.
The Aero Cup Kit extends down further lower than the Sport Design.
Worth noting that the electric rear tail spoiler is deleted when selecting either the Sport Design or Aero Cup kit.
When fitting either body kit, is is advised to fit wheel spacers else the wheels look a bit lost
Here is the visual comparison.
The left is the standard body.
The middle is Sport Design Package.
The right is the Aero Cup Kit (this is an add-on over the Sport Design).
The front bumper extends lower in the Sport Design vs the standard car.
The Aero Cup Kit extends down further lower than the Sport Design.
Worth noting that the electric rear tail spoiler is deleted when selecting either the Sport Design or Aero Cup kit.
When fitting either body kit, is is advised to fit wheel spacers else the wheels look a bit lost
MR_Y
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Fuel consumption updates:
1. Evening drive back home after work. Minimal traffic. Mix of highway and urban. Use the coasting function in 7th gear on the highway. At times the average consumption dropped to the 7s on the highway. Urban driving brought average up to 9 litres per 100km.
2. Morning peak traffic - typical in Midrand. Glad I only experience this once a week only, other days I leave earlier. Still not bad for a 3.8 motor. Stop/start not activated.
You don't buy a 911 for fuel economy, but nice to know how much it consumes as a daily driver.
Total average to date is 11.5 litres per 100km.
1. Evening drive back home after work. Minimal traffic. Mix of highway and urban. Use the coasting function in 7th gear on the highway. At times the average consumption dropped to the 7s on the highway. Urban driving brought average up to 9 litres per 100km.
2. Morning peak traffic - typical in Midrand. Glad I only experience this once a week only, other days I leave earlier. Still not bad for a 3.8 motor. Stop/start not activated.
You don't buy a 911 for fuel economy, but nice to know how much it consumes as a daily driver.
Total average to date is 11.5 litres per 100km.
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MR_Y
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We need to organise a small BMW/Porker run.Was hoping to see this beaut at the breakfast run
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Will reach out to the others.
MR_Y
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Update
After crossing my 3,000km ownership mark, the following issues came up:
Since these will be covered under the preowned Porsche maintenance plan, these are not really major headaches. However, if someone is buying a used 991 from a non-Porsche dealer, then good luck trying to get an aftermarket warranty to resolve these issues after purchase. Interestingly, non-Porsche dealers are selling 991 models at very similar prices to approved used Porsches, but obviously without any Porsche plan/warranty attached.
Issue 1:
When washing the car recently, I noticed that the rubber seal around the rear windscreen is melting/disintegrating. It is so bad, that a wash cloth is lifting up pieces of rubber. When I called the dealership workshop, they said that this is a wear-and-tear issue and on an 11 year old car it must have been caused by chemicals when washing the car over the years. When I explained that I just bought the car in March, and it was sold as an approved used car, they then said they will assess it and consider it as a claim on the prewoned Plan. Anyway, the rubber seal that is disintegrating is a cosmetic rubber - the true seal is just below that (at least, this is what I was told). The fix requires the entire rear windscreen to be removed and replaced with a new glass, since the cosmetic and functional rubber seals come attached to the glass itself. This new glass is easily R20k, without labour. I am not complaining, since I am hopeful that the Plan will pay (just as they did for my R80k door interior panels replaced last month). The assessment is set for June.
Issue 2:
I got a cooling system fault warning today. Since it is yellow (not red), it is not deemed critical. I called the Porsche Assist technician and they advised that as along as the temperature gauge and other vitals are looking good, I can drive the car to the workshop. The coolant is full and the coolant and oil temps are in acceptable range. The car will go into the workshop tomorrow to check out the issue (I am hoping that they can also perform the rear windscreen claim assessment as well). Reading up on this issue on Google, it seems that the cooling system fault message can mean any of a multitude of different things (even not related to the coolant system itself) - like exhaust valve, air con or PDK sensors. It seems to be a problem with the Pierburg Change Over Valves (COVs) fitted on early 991.1 models.
The car was a garage queen before I bought her, so I expect that these issues will come up as I drive her more frequently (which I am doing as my daily driver). The good thing is that these are in the realm of known common issues of the 991.1 and once fixed they will not likely come back again. By the time the Plan expires in March next year, I would have travelled about 18,000km which should be enough to unearth most of the 991.1 gremlins, I hope.
The only really big ticket potential time bomb is the PDK gearbox - as per my experience on my 981 Cayman S, these can cause issues with time and need replacement. Daily driving, which ironically takes more of a toll on PDKs instead of performance driving, can unearth issues if there are any. My commute and weekend driving is hopefully a good mix of stressed, unstressed and performance driving conditions that will allow the PDK to get a full workout.
Anyway, some Fanatics have asked me questions about the ownership experience and hopefully these posts give some useful information on used 991.1 ownership.
On a side note, I am slightly disappointed that I cannot attend the BMW Skidpan event at xDrive Park, Midrand, this Saturday. Anyway, I still have some epic breakfast runs to look forward too.
After crossing my 3,000km ownership mark, the following issues came up:
Since these will be covered under the preowned Porsche maintenance plan, these are not really major headaches. However, if someone is buying a used 991 from a non-Porsche dealer, then good luck trying to get an aftermarket warranty to resolve these issues after purchase. Interestingly, non-Porsche dealers are selling 991 models at very similar prices to approved used Porsches, but obviously without any Porsche plan/warranty attached.
Issue 1:
When washing the car recently, I noticed that the rubber seal around the rear windscreen is melting/disintegrating. It is so bad, that a wash cloth is lifting up pieces of rubber. When I called the dealership workshop, they said that this is a wear-and-tear issue and on an 11 year old car it must have been caused by chemicals when washing the car over the years. When I explained that I just bought the car in March, and it was sold as an approved used car, they then said they will assess it and consider it as a claim on the prewoned Plan. Anyway, the rubber seal that is disintegrating is a cosmetic rubber - the true seal is just below that (at least, this is what I was told). The fix requires the entire rear windscreen to be removed and replaced with a new glass, since the cosmetic and functional rubber seals come attached to the glass itself. This new glass is easily R20k, without labour. I am not complaining, since I am hopeful that the Plan will pay (just as they did for my R80k door interior panels replaced last month). The assessment is set for June.
Issue 2:
I got a cooling system fault warning today. Since it is yellow (not red), it is not deemed critical. I called the Porsche Assist technician and they advised that as along as the temperature gauge and other vitals are looking good, I can drive the car to the workshop. The coolant is full and the coolant and oil temps are in acceptable range. The car will go into the workshop tomorrow to check out the issue (I am hoping that they can also perform the rear windscreen claim assessment as well). Reading up on this issue on Google, it seems that the cooling system fault message can mean any of a multitude of different things (even not related to the coolant system itself) - like exhaust valve, air con or PDK sensors. It seems to be a problem with the Pierburg Change Over Valves (COVs) fitted on early 991.1 models.
The car was a garage queen before I bought her, so I expect that these issues will come up as I drive her more frequently (which I am doing as my daily driver). The good thing is that these are in the realm of known common issues of the 991.1 and once fixed they will not likely come back again. By the time the Plan expires in March next year, I would have travelled about 18,000km which should be enough to unearth most of the 991.1 gremlins, I hope.
The only really big ticket potential time bomb is the PDK gearbox - as per my experience on my 981 Cayman S, these can cause issues with time and need replacement. Daily driving, which ironically takes more of a toll on PDKs instead of performance driving, can unearth issues if there are any. My commute and weekend driving is hopefully a good mix of stressed, unstressed and performance driving conditions that will allow the PDK to get a full workout.
Anyway, some Fanatics have asked me questions about the ownership experience and hopefully these posts give some useful information on used 991.1 ownership.
On a side note, I am slightly disappointed that I cannot attend the BMW Skidpan event at xDrive Park, Midrand, this Saturday. Anyway, I still have some epic breakfast runs to look forward too.
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