Moving from F30 320d to F30 320i

[phantom]

This is an old discussion so let me just share a few facts.
We took two demo vehicles with more or less same mileage to the km track.Before going we filled both vehicles with fuel and reset the OBC's of both.
Vehicle 1 the F30 320d auto 8speed
Vehicle 2 the F30 3201 auto 8speed
At the track we decided on best of three runs just in case there was a bit of driver error.
Run 1
Pullaway up to 100km/h the 320i is half a car ahead.From 100 to 160 the 320d actually passes and opens up a 2 car lead that it holds to the end of the km.
Run 2
The 320d gets away better and at 100km/h there is no difference.Same again from there 320d forges ahead and ends the km 2car lenghts ahead.
Run 3
The 320d ahead to 100km/h and opens up 3 car lenghts at the km end.
Data reveals that the 320d has done the km runs with exits of 185/185/184.
The 320i exit runs show 183/182/180.

The petrol car seems to have heat soaked more than the diesel car.
We head back to the office and on return the average fuel consumption on the F30 320d reads 5.9 litres per 100km and the F30 320i reads 10.6 litres per 100km.
The facts speak for themselves but at the end of the day you are either a petrol or a diesel person.

 

[ThomasF30]

get an e90 320d, even if you extend the plan till 2016 and after it expires get an aftermarket warranty, it would still be less money lost than on the f30 320i

Yeah good point. I've been on the look out for a decent one with lowish mileage. Haven't had luck yet...

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depreciation is by far the biggest expense on a new car...

I would look at what you will loose with both options given when you expect you will want to trade in...

currently I think Diesels loose less but I would be wrong...

if nether grabs you and make you want it over the other then look at depreciation...

I actually had some dealers spin me the story that the F30 diesel lose value quicker due to the fact that the F30 320i is such a huge improvement over the E90 and thus people prefer buying the cheaper car ie the petrol. I don't buy that story though

 

[DieselFan]

In this day and age. People are after consumption. The diesel will most likely have the better resale value. Just look at the e90.

 

[moranor@axis]

im not sure Diesels still loose more value anymore... yes people are scared of repairs but the petrol cars have turbos also now...

Diesel car tech has matured alot since the old days

 

[Vicus]

This is an old discussion so let me just share a few facts.
We took two demo vehicles with more or less same mileage to the km track.Before going we filled both vehicles with fuel and reset the OBC's of both.
Vehicle 1 the F30 320d auto 8speed
Vehicle 2 the F30 3201 auto 8speed
At the track we decided on best of three runs just in case there was a bit of driver error.
Run 1
Pullaway up to 100km/h the 320i is half a car ahead.From 100 to 160 the 320d actually passes and opens up a 2 car lead that it holds to the end of the km.
Run 2
The 320d gets away better and at 100km/h there is no difference.Same again from there 320d forges ahead and ends the km 2car lenghts ahead.
Run 3
The 320d ahead to 100km/h and opens up 3 car lenghts at the km end.
Data reveals that the 320d has done the km runs with exits of 185/185/184.
The 320i exit runs show 183/182/180.

The petrol car seems to have heat soaked more than the diesel car.
We head back to the office and on return the average fuel consumption on the F30 320d reads 5.9 litres per 100km and the F30 320i reads 10.6 litres per 100km.
The facts speak for themselves but at the end of the day you are either a petrol or a diesel person.

The above should become a sticky somewhere, seriously.

There is a case to be made for preferring a new 320i over a new 320d for some people. Albeit not a strong one:

- The price is lower. (Not a very strong point however, as the fuel consumption will negate this after roughly 4 years for most drivers.)

- Some people just don't "like" diesel. (For what ever reason)

But, the fact is, technically, and performance wise, going from 320d do 320i is a downgrade:

- The 320d has a slight edge in performance. Albeit not a big one.

- The 320d is very far ahead in consumption.

- To most (with the few exceptions of a couple of staunch petrol-heads), the low-down torque and smooth power delivery make driving a diesel much more pleasurable.



All the arguments in favor of the 320i, are emotional ones. Then there are people saying "if we do this or that" upgrade then "this, and that". Pfff....pointless argument. We are comparing stock models. And, for that matter there are upgrades that can be done on the diesels too.... The "what happens after modification" discussion does not really belong here. It is a totally different can of worms and not really relevant.

 

[Xeqtr]

This is an old discussion so let me just share a few facts.
We took two demo vehicles with more or less same mileage to the km track.Before going we filled both vehicles with fuel and reset the OBC's of both.
Vehicle 1 the F30 320d auto 8speed
Vehicle 2 the F30 3201 auto 8speed
At the track we decided on best of three runs just in case there was a bit of driver error.
Run 1
Pullaway up to 100km/h the 320i is half a car ahead.From 100 to 160 the 320d actually passes and opens up a 2 car lead that it holds to the end of the km.
Run 2
The 320d gets away better and at 100km/h there is no difference.Same again from there 320d forges ahead and ends the km 2car lenghts ahead.
Run 3
The 320d ahead to 100km/h and opens up 3 car lenghts at the km end.
Data reveals that the 320d has done the km runs with exits of 185/185/184.
The 320i exit runs show 183/182/180.

The petrol car seems to have heat soaked more than the diesel car.
We head back to the office and on return the average fuel consumption on the F30 320d reads 5.9 litres per 100km and the F30 320i reads 10.6 litres per 100km.
The facts speak for themselves but at the end of the day you are either a petrol or a diesel person.

The above should become a sticky somewhere, seriously.

There is a case to be made for preferring a new 320i over a new 320d for some people. Albeit not a strong one:

- The price is lower. (Not a very strong point however, as the fuel consumption will negate this after roughly 4 years for most drivers.)

- Some people just don't "like" diesel. (For what ever reason)

But, the fact is, technically, and performance wise, going from 320d do 320i is a downgrade:

- The 320d has a slight edge in performance. Albeit not a big one.

- The 320d is very far ahead in consumption.

- To most (with the few exceptions of a couple of staunch petrol-heads), the low-down torque and smooth power delivery make driving a diesel much more pleasurable.



All the arguments in favor of the 320i, are emotional ones. Then there are people saying "if we do this or that" upgrade then "this, and that". Pfff....pointless argument. We are comparing stock models. And, for that matter there are upgrades that can be done on the diesels too.... The "what happens after modification" discussion does not really belong here. It is a totally different can of worms and not really relevant.

I am a massive petrol boy and I think you are spot on. For me the 320d is more expensive for a reason... BUT 320d vs 328i?? I think thats a better argument

 

[ZMC]

I still don't get why you created a thread. You are biased towards the diesel. Just get it and be happy

 

[Vicus]

I still don't get why you created a thread. You are biased towards the diesel. Just get it and be happy

Uhm....I did not create the thread ? :=):

P.S.

My daily driver is a 2011 E90 320d. :rollsmile:

 

[ThomasF30]

I still don't get why you created a thread. You are biased towards the diesel. Just get it and be happy

:rollsmile:
I created the thread to get fellow BMW driver's opinions on moving to a 320i from driving a F30 diesel for 2 years.

I can say that I'm pretty close to concluding that I am probably going to stick to what I have. Especially after that useful post by phantom on the consumption & performance. :bravo:

Since it was mostly motivated by a financial decision rather than absolute preference, I figured I'll most likely spend all of my (almost) R1k saving on additional petrol in a month.

If push comes to shove, and I have to save some dough in a month, I'm liking the suggested idea of finding a low mile 320d E90.

 

[ZMC]

Have fun in choosing your chariot. First world problems rock

 

[Xeqtr]

I still don't get why you created a thread. You are biased towards the diesel. Just get it and be happy

:rollsmile:
I created the thread to get fellow BMW driver's opinions on moving to a 320i from driving a F30 diesel for 2 years.

I can say that I'm pretty close to concluding that I am probably going to stick to what I have. Especially after that useful post by phantom on the consumption & performance. :bravo:

Since it was mostly motivated by a financial decision rather than absolute preference, I figured I'll most likely spend all of my (almost) R1k saving on additional petrol in a month.

If push comes to shove, and I have to save some dough in a month, I'm liking the suggested idea of finding a low mile 320d E90.

I think I am started to get why you need to save cash... there is a woman in your life now isnt there... :roflol:

 

[ZMC]

Lol

 

[ThomasF30]

I still don't get why you created a thread. You are biased towards the diesel. Just get it and be happy

:rollsmile:
I created the thread to get fellow BMW driver's opinions on moving to a 320i from driving a F30 diesel for 2 years.

I can say that I'm pretty close to concluding that I am probably going to stick to what I have. Especially after that useful post by phantom on the consumption & performance. :bravo:

Since it was mostly motivated by a financial decision rather than absolute preference, I figured I'll most likely spend all of my (almost) R1k saving on additional petrol in a month.

If push comes to shove, and I have to save some dough in a month, I'm liking the suggested idea of finding a low mile 320d E90.

I think I am started to get why you need to save cash... there is a woman in your life now isnt there... :roflol:

Well you actually have it spot on, there is (almost) a new woman in my life - my wife is expecting our first baby girl, due in a few weeks :=):

 

[Xeqtr]

Aww well then congrats bud!!! Makes perfect sense then

 

[Iceman007]

This is an old discussion so let me just share a few facts.
We took two demo vehicles with more or less same mileage to the km track.Before going we filled both vehicles with fuel and reset the OBC's of both.
Vehicle 1 the F30 320d auto 8speed
Vehicle 2 the F30 3201 auto 8speed
At the track we decided on best of three runs just in case there was a bit of driver error.
Run 1
Pullaway up to 100km/h the 320i is half a car ahead.From 100 to 160 the 320d actually passes and opens up a 2 car lead that it holds to the end of the km.
Run 2
The 320d gets away better and at 100km/h there is no difference.Same again from there 320d forges ahead and ends the km 2car lenghts ahead.
Run 3
The 320d ahead to 100km/h and opens up 3 car lenghts at the km end.
Data reveals that the 320d has done the km runs with exits of 185/185/184.
The 320i exit runs show 183/182/180.

The petrol car seems to have heat soaked more than the diesel car.
We head back to the office and on return the average fuel consumption on the F30 320d reads 5.9 litres per 100km and the F30 320i reads 10.6 litres per 100km.
The facts speak for themselves but at the end of the day you are either a petrol or a diesel person.

raise:raise:raise:

I like this. I had this debate on the Forum somewhere with a fellow Fanatic telling the guys that the F30 320i is faster than the F30 320d. I said its impossible for I have taken on allot of F30320i's and I was always ahead as you said and this is at the coast Thanks for confirming all this once again

320d more performance and much better Fuel consumption. :thumbs: