Lets talk sound systems.... please?

[Zombi]

I am trying to gather as much info on the mini sound system as possible to start with the planning of the system..

What I have so far is:
Front: Tweeters x 2
4" Speakers x2
5 1/4" Speakers
Solution a nice Kappa front split system

Rear: 2x 6x9's
Solution Kappa 6x9's?

Boot: Nothing.. nada...
Solution, 1x Sub, 10"(Make model TBC) need some boot space.

OK I know how to strip the dash, do the wiring ect. BUT....
Is there another more professional way(cable) to get the stock radio into a AMP(s), or will I have to use line converters?

Any Idea how much the HKD system is, and IF it's worth it...

Then If there is a magic cable that you can run to the back of the radio.. where do I find it? Google is not my friend with this one..

Thanks in advance guy's!
Cheers
Zombi

 

[Denzil]

Hi ,sorry for my ignorance but what is the HKD system

 

[Zombi]

Hi ,sorry for my ignorance but what is the HKD system

Hamman Kar DON.... :rollsmile:

 

[Denzil]

oops - well how much does it cost

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So first questions are:
how much is your budget?
and what type of system do you want?

 

[Zombi]

oops - well how much does it cost

Nei, ek weeti.. maar ek wil weet!!...

 

[Denzil]

usually systems like that go for around R10k and they also dont sound that great either.



so what is ur budget and what do you want fromur system?

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ok there is one way and one way only - tap into the speaker outputs there is not another way even your high end sound shops do it that way....

Now depending on the type of system your after you can opt for line converters or if you have a bigger budget you can go for a signal processor (this will allow you to fine tune a system with time alignment ,eq setting ,crossevers etc).

Most importantly you will have to use your front speaker outputs because the rear outputs has a built-in filter which filter out subbass.

 

[msm]

What I have so far is:
Front: Tweeters x 2
4" Speakers x2
5 1/4" Speakers
Solution a nice Kappa front split system

Rear: 2x 6x9's
Solution Kappa 6x9's?

Boot: Nothing.. nada...
Solution, 1x Sub, 10"(Make model TBC) need some boot space.

So what exactly are you after - SQ or SPL, besides having too many speakers ....

For SQ, a decent pair of splits up front and a single 10/12" sub in the boot is all you need. 6x9's are just a compromise, but that is my opinion, of course.

For SPL, Bob's your uncle ....

 

[Denzil]

i would put in a 6,5inch split in the front it should produce decent midbass as I personally think a 5,25" lacks a lil bit there.

Secondly I would install some damplifier /sound deadening matt in the doors. This will enhance the sound reproduction. (inner and outer skin.

then in the rear I will run some 6,5" coaxials.

all of this powered from a small 4 channel amplifier. and the the subwoofer can be powered from a small monoblok.

or other option the split ,coax and subwoofer can be powered of a 6 channel amp or
splits and subwoofer powered of a 4channel and the coax powered of the head unit

 

[Zombi]

usually systems like that go for around R10k and they also dont sound that great either.



so what is ur budget and what do you want fromur system?

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ok there is one way and one way only - tap into the speaker outputs there is not another way even your high end sound shops do it that way....

Now depending on the type of system your after you can opt for line converters or if you have a bigger budget you can go for a signal processor (this will allow you to fine tune a system with time alignment ,eq setting ,crossevers etc).

Most importantly you will have to use your front speaker outputs because the rear outputs has a built-in filter which filter out subbass.

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ooooooooooooooooo I like... Thanks Bud!!.

I want quality, and quantity, and we listen to more Metal/Rock than anything doef doen dance dance .....
Buget is negotiable, but I am looking at about 10K+, I will rather spend more and be happy!!..

Signal Processor...
Bass from the front speakers...
Would you say that it is better to then work everything from the front speakers and leave the rear one's redundant?

thanks man... your assistance is helping a whole bunch!!!.

 

[Denzil]

for a subwoofer look at the jl 10inch 10w3v3 they have a nice excursion which will give plenty of output but will also be ample in the sq department

 

[Zombi]

for a subwoofer look at the jl 10inch 10w3v3 they have a nice excursion which will give plenty of output but will also be ample in the sq department

ooo nice, thanks guys!!,:ty:

I will start my design and update the fred as I go along, Please check and comment... I am back in SA end of October, so the actual install will happen then.

 

[Denzil]

You see the front channels give a whole range of frequencies (from bass to highs) so when you set your amplifier up you can cross it over as you please for that specific speakers.



What I would suggest is a decent processor , decent split system ,and a decent subwoofer. with a decent 4 channel amplifier - rear fill can always be added at a later stage....


the reason why I like a processor and a decent split system with an amp is because with only those parts alone you will be surprised at how loud and low it can play and it still does it sounding good. (peolple wont believe you if you tell them there is not a subwoofer).

Then obviously for the real low end subbass you add a nice subwoofer in a sealed box to keep some of the boot space....

the other reason why one needs a strong front stage is :

ever noticed how the bass seems to lagg in some cars this is sometimes an effect of not having enough midbass thus it creates this lagging bass effect....

 

[Zombi]

You see the front channels give a whole range of frequencies (from bass to highs) so when you set your amplifier up you can cross it over as you please for that specific speakers.



What I would suggest is a decent processor , decent split system ,and a decent subwoofer. with a decent 4 channel amplifier - rear fill can always be added at a later stage....


the reason why I like a processor and a decent split system with an amp is because with only those parts alone you will be surprised at how loud and low it can play and it still does it sounding good. (peolple wont believe you if you tell them there is not a subwoofer).

Then obviously for the real low end subbass you add a nice subwoofer in a sealed box to keep some of the boot space....

the other reason why one needs a strong front stage is :

ever noticed how the bass seems to lagg in some cars this is sometimes an effect of not having enough midbass thus it creates this lagging bass effect....

Thanks MR D!, That is why I dont want to skimp on the buget, I will rather spend a couple of grand and be REALLY happy with the system, than skimp and be content with it!...

you are spot in with the Midbass...do you know if there is space in the door's to upgrade the speakers to 6"?

 

[Denzil]

Pleasure

6,5" shud fit with ease ,maybe just need a spacer ring.

My car wud of received 6,5" in the standard location but now decided to make a pod to get the speaker to play to its full potential.

As for the cash I totally agree rather spend a lil bit more and be blown away......

I have gone the cheaper route many times and when you add the totals up it costs more than a decent system once off -----

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
cant wait to seeyour project!

 

[zaleonardz]

Wooooh...stop right there...

take the 6x9's and put them in a golf, thats where they belong.

Secondly, the investing in a split system up front is really the best mod you can do.

I would suggest you look at a really decent x-over, I can recommend the AudioControl LCR6 and the Boston Cleansweep. both of these are brilliant.

The entire definition of a split system is that it splits by means of a x-over your exceptionally high and midrange driver, as what is already been suggested.

Consider for second when somebody talks to you, your ears are designed to catch the vibrations from the front, so if its quality that your after, your front system is exactly where you want to spend your money.

The other trick is the amplifier, you size the amplifier to about twice the rated current of the speaker, and keep the amp gains closed, or just slightly open.

This will mean that your amp will not peak out, have plenty of head room, and will last longer, an amp that "clips" stuffs up speakers.

Lastly, speaker wiring is critical, beyond important actually, especially the amp power cables, make sure that you are using proper gauge cable, include fuses as well.

Winning recipy is.
1. Best split system you can afford, mounted by a professional.
2. High quality x-over, digital if you can.
3. Size your amp double to your speaker output, and keep the gains closed.
4. proper cabling.

That would be a start, and should cost you 5 to 10k, with the front splits being 4k+

Then you can always add another amp with a sub, and kill the rears, exactly as what has been mentioned...

Hope this helps bud.

 

[Zombi]

Whow.. yea thanks!!

hehe.. 6x9's should be in a golf..:biglol::biglol::biglol:
I didn't even have 6x9's in my Velociti... all in all was just JBL front to rear!!.

OK, then If we are loosing the 6by9's in the rear panels.. what is the best solution to replace then with, or just not use them, or replace with 6" coax?

 

[zaleonardz]

Ya those are cool...

What I would do there though is just use the standard speakers, and spend whatever you were going to spend on the rear speakers, spend that in front... Remember that you have the fader option on the deck, so you can turn down the rear until where they are comfortable...

 

[Zombi]

Ya those are cool...

What I would do there though is just use the standard speakers, and spend whatever you were going to spend on the rear speakers, spend that in front... Remember that you have the fader option on the deck, so you can turn down the rear until where they are comfortable...

hmmm I like the way you think.... !!! I just don't want a weak "link" in the system... my aim is 0% distortion.. I think I might have to double, or triple my budget... eish!!

 

[zaleonardz]

The secret though here is if you invest in decent equipment, you can keep for years.

I have had equipment now going on 6+ years, and its still in perfect condition, not installed currently, but I will be able to plug the goods over into a new car, and it will be awesome still, of course its MBQuart, and Rockford, and Audiocontrol bla bla bla, but ya, look after it, and its going to last you for years...

 

[Zombi]

Very true thanks man!!.