Really. BYD is partnering with a company this year to get 130 off gird stations up and running.
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Good luck with that.😅
r0ckf1re
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Good luck with that.
Money will be paid, that’s about it
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I have no doubt the Chinese part of this will be up and running.
China has one major advantage over the normal legacy builders when it comes to EV's and now is the time to capitalize RE charging stations. Slowly surely catch a monkey. The big issue on EV's in SA is not charging points, but rather security. I am in no mood to be on the R21 charging at 3am. Or anywhere where you are sitting duck as the car charges for 30min.
msm
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Going to be interesting to see how this plays out in SA. Right now, this is too niche of a market for us and the numbers are too small.
Security and power constraints aside, I really don’t see how our government is going to digest any type of shift from ICE to EV easily, considering how they capitalise on every litre going into your tank - this perpetual income is significant and they wont want to lose it. Why do you think the taxi industry gets away with no direct taxation (except for a tiny amount in new vehicle purchase) - because it is indirectly taxed with every tank they fill. If there is any mass transition to EVs in future, our government will try to make up this difference (directly or indirectly) through some type of forced levy or taxation for charging EVs.
So for now, it’s cheaper, IF it works for you because it’s niche. But if it gains traction, then expect some type of new/ongoing charges.
Security and power constraints aside, I really don’t see how our government is going to digest any type of shift from ICE to EV easily, considering how they capitalise on every litre going into your tank - this perpetual income is significant and they wont want to lose it. Why do you think the taxi industry gets away with no direct taxation (except for a tiny amount in new vehicle purchase) - because it is indirectly taxed with every tank they fill. If there is any mass transition to EVs in future, our government will try to make up this difference (directly or indirectly) through some type of forced levy or taxation for charging EVs.
So for now, it’s cheaper, IF it works for you because it’s niche. But if it gains traction, then expect some type of new/ongoing charges.
Oh it is a global issue. I don't think there is a country where EV's are revenued quite the same as gasoline. One of the main reasons EV's are cheaper to run than gas is the lack of indirect taxes. EV's are coming, the chinese EV's are astounding, had a 450km trip in a 500HP Minivan that looks like a spaceship in December. I want one.
I am already keeping a eye out on used values for the Chinese EVs (BYD locally for now) the little Dolphin extended range is all the car you need for most of us. Had 4 people in it and it still did the 110-140 run properly quick and did a one wheel scream from 30-90 merging into the N4. I have plenty of ICE cars for long range running, but in town it just can not be beaten if you get decent enough range (plus 350km)
I am not interested in the Euro offerings in terms of ownership, they have horrendous post warranty costs and their "premium" over Chinese stuff just is not worth it. Both are equally unreliable/expensive to maintain.
msm
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Have to agree with you on the Euro offerings - I also don't think their premiums are worth it for EV's and they are going to have to come up with a new strategy to survive. With the transition from ICE to EV, the traditional German brands are already in trouble trying to keep up with the Chinese - VW, Merc, etc are in really big trouble already. It's sad to see that multiple decades of engineering experience (engines, gearboxes, etc.) are pretty much worthless now with this transition. Every major prediction is that the mass market will be Chinese dominated. Even the US has a headache with this one, as they simply can't compete with the Chinese on their EV's. For those old or informed enough, it's a bit of deja vu with what the Japanese did to the global car market a long time ago.
Personally, I would not yet give up my current car for an EV - especially for long trips or emergencies. However, as a 2nd car and if the price is right, a cheaper EV for the daily commute, shopping, etc would be my preferred option over my "fun/old" car, reserved for weekends/longer trips.
This here is gonna play a big factor once the the criminals figure out their play as the charging stations are gonna look like a buffet to them. I guess after the 4th or 5th murder ev sales will tank.
SoulBladeZA
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How sure are you of this? The EV support is only for companies that manufacture EVs locally
m0lt3n
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why? the chargers are mostly at normal fuel stations. And wont take much more than any other fuel and bathroom break.
very negative thread this. eish
anyhow, here is our charging network currently, pretty well advanced, much much more advanced than most here think given the spirit of the comments.
and there is more, not showing on the map.
If all goes well I should have an EV in March, cant wait! and yes, I plan to own it in rural northern cape.
Filling my car is 5min, charging it on rapid charging is 15-20min. Depending on where you are that is not a time i am comfy with waiting at 2am.
I am a big fan of EV's, got a drive in the Mini Aceman this weekend and damn it's the best Mini on sale probably (says alot about how kak the hatch is) but EV's are the future for most of the general buying public. I sit with 2 hybrids, i am so down with non fossil fuel for mind numbing commutes, but i will not be using it as my sole transport because 2am at a fuel station for 20min with the shop closed and me a sitting duck in my car in SA ain't flying.
I usually dont get out of my vehicle at a busy forecourt when filling petrol, whereas electric charges are usually to one side of the garage and off course you have to get out to plug it in, leaving you in a vunerable position.
In this current crime climate i dont think im been over dramatic. All it takes is someone spotting and as soon as you get out they drive behind you blocking everyones view, take your valuables and hit the road.
m0lt3n
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what you saying actually applies to most people.
to myself as well.
we have two cars, if you need to do long distance in a short time then take the other time. rest of the time if you are doing less than 150km daily its not 20min to refill, its not even 5minutes. you just plug it in when you get home and have a topped up car in the morning. Running at 60 cents to the km vs whatever else you have at more than double that.
I hate our local fuel station, had to look at a sleeping dude again this morning with a busy forecourt.
m0lt3n
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if you have only one car and need to do a lot of long distance frequently.....fair point.
crime doesnt really play into my vehicle choices, we have other issues in the platteland, but fortunately not overly much of that one.
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I get your point, but after 2 of my toyota bakkies getting jacked and one fatality it started to play into my choices.
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I had my iX3 since 2022, now well over 62000km of mileage. real world urban cycle at 390km range with about 20-50km range left with air conditioner on. freeway driving much better range achieved 502km once with 20km left.
mullerza
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People grossly overplay the EV charging time angle, probably because they try and match it with their ICE experience not understanding the change in behaviour with an EV. Yes you can fill up your petrol car in 5 minutes, but if you started every day with a full tank of fuel in your current car, how often will you need to fill up during that day….. probably twice a year when you do a long holiday trip for 99.9% of the people. And on those long trips you are taking a coffee/bathroom break so the 20mins is spent doing that anyway.
For everyday use its a non event, the car charges overnight while you sleep and you simply never have to worry about it during the day. If you are lucky enough to have solar power with excess capacity then suddenly your running costs on an EV plummets. Our iX3 with about 50/50 solar and eskom power is costing us 40 cents a km to run.
For everyday use its a non event, the car charges overnight while you sleep and you simply never have to worry about it during the day. If you are lucky enough to have solar power with excess capacity then suddenly your running costs on an EV plummets. Our iX3 with about 50/50 solar and eskom power is costing us 40 cents a km to run.
Lesiba
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I think you are assuming that usage of EV will be similar to ICE. That is not the case.
You, at a charging station will be a very rear occurrence. As almost all the time, you will be leaving your house with a fully charged battery.
And if you are unfortunate and do not have access to charging at home. You will be charging during your shopping trip.
I personally think car theft will probably go down (maybe I am dreaming). 1) Your stolen car will have limited range, and will take time to get charged up. 2) Car makers themselves have not figured out how to replace/repair major component of an EV (Motor and battery) [car are mostly stolen for their components] .. the more people shift to EV, the less demand for car componets]
But as technology changes, criminals will adapt.
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Lesiba
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Same here.
Patiently waiting for Dolphins examples in ZA to reach the +4 years ie 2-3 more years of waiting. Then I am definitely getting one. Current daily will be 7-8 years.
The extended range will completely or significantly reduce my monthly 4-6k of petrol spend … Pretoria to Rosebank work commute, plus school and extracurricular runs ðŸ˜.
I work remotely 2 days in a week and have solar capacity at home that I am not fully using. The additional charging will allow me to use the system fully, not worried about ZA grid capacity.
The plus side-side is it comes standard wit Vehicle to Home (V2H) and Vehicle to Load (V2L) for those cloudy days.
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Nastaliq
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I struggle to understand how these cars will work on long trips for example from Jhb to Dbn until there is an abundance of charging stations across the route (basically every petrol station needs to have 2-3 bays for EV charging minimum) for this to be viable. If i drive from JHB to DBN, i stop somewhere for coffee and the loo only, never to fill up because of how much time is wasted.
It seems odd to me that someone will choose to drive an EV to Dbn and wait 2 hours to charge in the current dispensation.
Dont get me wrong, I realise EVs are the future of motor vehicles, look at Europe and you see the adoption sky rocketing but there EV charging happens everywhere, with streets littered with them. So much so, that you dont need to look for them. Most mall parking bays are EV charging enabled, and almost all the streets I have seen have more than a few dotted along.
We are at least 5-6 years away from having this infrastructure rolled out here, ASSUMING they are not stolen daily.
And theres the rub, everything that just works elsewhere doesnt work here, because OMAIGOT SOUTHAH!
It seems odd to me that someone will choose to drive an EV to Dbn and wait 2 hours to charge in the current dispensation.
Dont get me wrong, I realise EVs are the future of motor vehicles, look at Europe and you see the adoption sky rocketing but there EV charging happens everywhere, with streets littered with them. So much so, that you dont need to look for them. Most mall parking bays are EV charging enabled, and almost all the streets I have seen have more than a few dotted along.
We are at least 5-6 years away from having this infrastructure rolled out here, ASSUMING they are not stolen daily.
And theres the rub, everything that just works elsewhere doesnt work here, because OMAIGOT SOUTHAH!
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