F30 320i Xcedes World Record?

DieselFan

Honorary ///Member
M3_devil said:
Then dont
No need for the snarky attitude. Most people wouldn't buy a car thats so highly tuned. Unless the seller takes a knock on price. Modified cars fetch less that they're worth.

The question gizmo asked of what the cars boosting at still hasn't been answered.
 

M3_devil

Member
Was not being snarky. Just stating a point. This thread is about Neo car not about your opinion and I mean this with utmost respect.

Neo sorry for side stepping your thread.

car is rocking. Think my 320i will follow your mods next year.
 

dvst8

///Member
DieselFan said:
M3_devil said:
Then dont
No need for the snarky attitude. Most people wouldn't buy a car thats so highly tuned. Unless the seller takes a knock on price. Modified cars fetch less that they're worth.

The question gizmo asked of what the cars boosting at still hasn't been answered.

The car is not for sale so no one taking any knocks. :crazylaugh:

Btw, who opened a bakery here ? :roflol:
 

Gbmw

///Member
DieselFan said:
M3_devil said:
Then dont
No need for the snarky attitude. Most people wouldn't buy a car thats so highly tuned. Unless the seller takes a knock on price. Modified cars fetch less that they're worth.

The question gizmo asked of what the cars boosting at still hasn't been answered.

Hi Bud
I was of the opinion that the thread was of the achievements ,Not what the resale or loss of value, should I sell have on me. If the thread was "Modified car resale value", I'd truly understand. I do thank you for the concern or noting of that loss (Not being snarky)

Quite sure Sherwin availed his email addy for Mod questions and what went into the build etc. If any thoughts of Beeeeg turbo, nope not that though.

Sweet :=):
 

DieselFan

Honorary ///Member
M3_devil said:
Was not being snarky. Just stating a point. This thread is about Neo car not about your opinion and I mean this with utmost respect.

Neo sorry for side stepping your thread.

car is rocking. Think my 320i will follow your mods next year.

The thread I about a highly tuned 320i. The resale value on that is all relevant. Else we'd just be talking about numbers. And a forum is pretty much for sharing opinions and information. So how is mine not relevant?
 

D.R.E

Member
As a "fanatics" forum, threads like these are rather disappointing.
Members should appreciate the progress being made with BMW.

Seems whenever anything brand specific is posted, people cross question it to death, expressing their doubts and dare I say jealousy?

Defeats the entire purpose of an enthusiast forum. . .
 

DieselFan

Honorary ///Member
D.R.E said:
As a "fanatics" forum, threads like these are rather disappointing.
Members should appreciate the progress being made with BMW.

Seems whenever anything brand specific is posted, people cross question it to death, expressing their doubts and dare I say jealousy?

Defeats the entire purpose of an enthusiast forum. . .

Not really, excede is an advertiser. As a potential customer it is in my best interest to question how safely the power is being made considerintg it's almost double that of factory power with just bolt ons. Will be interesting to see how the gearbox handles the power (I don't know too much about the f30 but I assume the 320i comes with a weaker gearbox than the 328i and 335i, going by previous generations)

Nevertheless I'm sure the owner is loving the power and giving lots of cars a few surprises.
 

AshG108

///Member
DieselFan said:
M3_devil said:
Was not being snarky. Just stating a point. This thread is about Neo car not about your opinion and I mean this with utmost respect.

Neo sorry for side stepping your thread.

car is rocking. Think my 320i will follow your mods next year.

The thread I about a highly tuned 320i. The resale value on that is all relevant. Else we'd just be talking about numbers. And a forum is pretty much for sharing opinions and information. So how is mine not relevant?

Ofcourse, your opinions are welcomed on a forum bro...although from what I can gather here, nobody is interested in the resale value discussion on a car thats really delivering a lot of power. And another thing as well is that a lot of modded cars are returned to stock when sold(as we all know), so the person who is aware of this will know it was modded might not buy it or value it less but in all honesty, I think it fetch its normal price on trade should it go back to stock and be traded in.

I personally have not heard of any cars being in 'trouble' after being with the likes of Xcede, REVO etc etc...the tuning houses have well knowledgeable clients which helps too.

Neo - your car is hauling big time...respect to Xcede for the achievements, your car looks sexy and goes damn well! Enjoy bro!

dvst8 - Red velvet....red velvet EVERYWHERE!!
 

skank

New member
Ok, so Johannesburg at 1700m has 825hPa of air pressure.
Sea level has an average 1013hPa of pressure so that dicates that in Johannesburg you have 825/1013=0.8144 or 81.44% of sea level pressure. Following me here?

This drop in pressure means a NA engine in Johannesburg will have ~81.44% of the power it has at sea level.

A 125kw NA car will have no more than 101.77kw at the flywheel whilst in Johannesburg. A difference of 18.56%.

Now obviously these figures are for an NA engine not FI. FI ECUs will compensate for the thinner
air by increasing the boost to a degree but cannot cope with the absolute pressure completely so
will still be a couple % lower but not as much as the 18.58% for an NA engine.

This begs my question, why the 30% correction on the dyno?


I quote from Borg Warner

"The high-altitude performance of a turbocharged engine is significantly better. Because of the lower air pressure at high altitudes, the power loss of a naturally aspirated engine is considerable. In contrast, the performance of the turbine improves at altitude as a result of the greater pressure difference between the virtually constant pressure upstream of the turbine and the lower ambient pressure at outlet. The lower air density at the compressor inlet is largely equalized. Hence, the engine has barely any power loss."

Moving on:

As ambient correction entails the following :

1) Ambient Pressure
2) Ambient Temperature
3) Relative Humidity

And we know that Pressure correction should not be more than ~18% up here for NA, that leaves Temperature and Humidity.

Temperature needs to be adjusted to 25 degrees Celcius and will have an effect on performance but not nearly as much as Pressure.
Considering the mild Johannesburg climate recently to meet the SAE standard you'd almost have to be lowering the Temperature correction. In this regard a 10 degree celcius change with have ~3% influence on power. So let's say an average Temperature pf 25 degress celcius in Johannesburg, that equates to 0% ambient correction. 30 degrees? A 1% difference.

Humidity is the least effective on power, an increase in 20% relative humidity will equate to less than 1% power difference. The humidity in Joburg ranges from 47% to 60% a correction difference of
~1%. The SAE Standard dicates correction to 0% Humidity, so let's do that. Today's Humidity is 56%, that equates to 2% Ambient Correction.

So Today in Johannesburg any Dyno doing a power run should have adjusted to 20.58% Ambient Correction for NA engined cars. This is a Correction Factor of 1.267.
Ambient Correction for a Dyno needs to be adjusted constantly to get consistent results.
Now, as I understand it, and I'm open to correction, for Turbo applications we need to add the absolute manifold pressure into the equation to cater for Ambient Correction. Remember the higher the boost the lower the effect of altitude. Assuming no efficiency changes in the Turbo due to altitude, which we know is not the case, let's add 20PSI in the case of a Turbo. 20PSI is 1380hPa.

So 1380hPa + 1013hPa becomes 2393hPa absolute manifold pressure for Sea Level.
And 1380hPa + 825hPa becomes 2205hPa AMP for Joburg.

That becomes a Correction Factor of 2393/2205 = 1.085

Therefore the NA CF of 1.236/1.085 = 1.160 or a 16% OVER READ of the power using a realistic NA AC of 20.58%.

By my calculations the Ambient Correction for the Turbo 320i @20PSI should be 8%

Where does the 30% set Ambient Correction come from? Because today if you did a power run at 30% that Dyno would be over reading by 31.7%

Have I missed something here?
 

dvst8

///Member
DieselFan said:
M3_devil said:
Was not being snarky. Just stating a point. This thread is about Neo car not about your opinion and I mean this with utmost respect.

Neo sorry for side stepping your thread.

car is rocking. Think my 320i will follow your mods next year.

The thread I about a highly tuned 320i. The resale value on that is all relevant. Else we'd just be talking about numbers. And a forum is pretty much for sharing opinions and information. So how is mine not relevant?

Resale has zero to do with this thread. The owner is not concerned nor is he selling the car.

I wore a blue shirt to work today and its raining in jhb. Hows that for being relevant ?
 

Hugo335i

Member
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
M3_devil said:
Was not being snarky. Just stating a point. This thread is about Neo car not about your opinion and I mean this with utmost respect.

Neo sorry for side stepping your thread.

car is rocking. Think my 320i will follow your mods next year.

The thread I about a highly tuned 320i. The resale value on that is all relevant. Else we'd just be talking about numbers. And a forum is pretty much for sharing opinions and information. So how is mine not relevant?



Resale has zero to do with this thread. The owner is not concerned nor is he selling the car.

I wore a blue shirt to work today and its raining in jhb. Hows that for being relevant ?

+1
I also can't see what the resale value of the car has to do with this thread
 

DieselFan

Honorary ///Member
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
M3_devil said:
Was not being snarky. Just stating a point. This thread is about Neo car not about your opinion and I mean this with utmost respect.

Neo sorry for side stepping your thread.

car is rocking. Think my 320i will follow your mods next year.

The thread I about a highly tuned 320i. The resale value on that is all relevant. Else we'd just be talking about numbers. And a forum is pretty much for sharing opinions and information. So how is mine not relevant?

Resale has zero to do with this thread. The owner is not concerned nor is he selling the car.

I wore a blue shirt to work today and its raining in jhb. Hows that for being relevant ?
How about its got nothing to do with the car? Maybe? No? Yes? Or is this thread about dyno correction factors?
 

dvst8

///Member
DieselFan said:
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
M3_devil said:
Was not being snarky. Just stating a point. This thread is about Neo car not about your opinion and I mean this with utmost respect.

Neo sorry for side stepping your thread.

car is rocking. Think my 320i will follow your mods next year.

The thread I about a highly tuned 320i. The resale value on that is all relevant. Else we'd just be talking about numbers. And a forum is pretty much for sharing opinions and information. So how is mine not relevant?

Resale has zero to do with this thread. The owner is not concerned nor is he selling the car.

I wore a blue shirt to work today and its raining in jhb. Hows that for being relevant ?
How about its got nothing to do with the car? Maybe? No? Yes? Or is this thread about dyno correction factors?

The car has xenon lights and m sport, relevant to the car ? Yes !

However like your concern, no relevance to this thread.

:smashScreen:
 

DieselFan

Honorary ///Member
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
M3_devil said:
Was not being snarky. Just stating a point. This thread is about Neo car not about your opinion and I mean this with utmost respect.

Neo sorry for side stepping your thread.

car is rocking. Think my 320i will follow your mods next year.

The thread I about a highly tuned 320i. The resale value on that is all relevant. Else we'd just be talking about numbers. And a forum is pretty much for sharing opinions and information. So how is mine not relevant?

Resale has zero to do with this thread. The owner is not concerned nor is he selling the car.

I wore a blue shirt to work today and its raining in jhb. Hows that for being relevant ?
How about its got nothing to do with the car? Maybe? No? Yes? Or is this thread about dyno correction factors?

The car has xenon lights and m sport, relevant to the car ? Yes !

However like your concern, no relevance to this thread.

:smashScreen:
Who the f cares. If you don't like the post skip over it. Or is it against forum rules to go off topic?

It's ironic how you moan about the thread going off topic and take it off topic talking about it being off topic.
 

dvst8

///Member
DieselFan said:
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
The thread I about a highly tuned 320i. The resale value on that is all relevant. Else we'd just be talking about numbers. And a forum is pretty much for sharing opinions and information. So how is mine not relevant?

Resale has zero to do with this thread. The owner is not concerned nor is he selling the car.

I wore a blue shirt to work today and its raining in jhb. Hows that for being relevant ?
How about its got nothing to do with the car? Maybe? No? Yes? Or is this thread about dyno correction factors?

The car has xenon lights and m sport, relevant to the car ? Yes !

However like your concern, no relevance to this thread.

:smashScreen:
How the f cares. If you don't like the post skip over it. Or is it against forum rules to go off topic?

It's ironic how you moan about the thread going off topic and take it off topic talking about it being off topic.

As a mod you should be aware of the forum rules and derailing threads. I never moaned, just highlighted that your concern is irrelevant.

But anyway, I can expalin it to you but I cannot understand it for you.
 

DieselFan

Honorary ///Member
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
dvst8 said:
Resale has zero to do with this thread. The owner is not concerned nor is he selling the car.

I wore a blue shirt to work today and its raining in jhb. Hows that for being relevant ?
How about its got nothing to do with the car? Maybe? No? Yes? Or is this thread about dyno correction factors?

The car has xenon lights and m sport, relevant to the car ? Yes !

However like your concern, no relevance to this thread.

:smashScreen:
How the f cares. If you don't like the post skip over it. Or is it against forum rules to go off topic?

It's ironic how you moan about the thread going off topic and take it off topic talking about it being off topic.

As a mod you should be aware of the forum rules and derailing threads. I never moaned, just highlighted that your concern is irrelevant.

But anyway, I can expalin it to you but I cannot understand it for you.
Please quote the rule here for all to see.

_____


Waiting for the rule.... I see you've finished reading the rules thread.
 

dvst8

///Member
DieselFan said:
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
dvst8 said:
DieselFan said:
How about its got nothing to do with the car? Maybe? No? Yes? Or is this thread about dyno correction factors?

The car has xenon lights and m sport, relevant to the car ? Yes !

However like your concern, no relevance to this thread.

:smashScreen:
How the f cares. If you don't like the post skip over it. Or is it against forum rules to go off topic?

It's ironic how you moan about the thread going off topic and take it off topic talking about it being off topic.

As a mod you should be aware of the forum rules and derailing threads. I never moaned, just highlighted that your concern is irrelevant.

But anyway, I can expalin it to you but I cannot understand it for you.
Please quote the rule here for all to see.

_____


Waiting for the rule.... I see you've finished reading the rules thread.

You are being as irrelevant as your posts. Stop derailing this thread. Go start another thread, your behaviour is unbecoming of a mod.
 

Rishie Rish

///Member
Those are some awesome figures. :clapper:

Sure you enjoying every moment of it Neo

Almost had a run against this car but was interrupted :blueCry:
 
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