e46 M3 vs F87 M2 (onboard video of clocks)

[Reese130]

As mentioned.... 15 years of technology between the two, personally thought the M2 would be there much quicker than the e46, so the old girl in my view still hauls - in fact it looked to me that it was quicker 0 to 80 then was slower in the 80 - 140/150 area then seemed to get faster after that to 200. Maybe just a figment of my imagination....:tiptoe:

M3 was definitely quicker to 100, then slower the rest of the way.

Would take the E46 over the F87, if for nothing more than the sound in the M3 is real sound, not generated through the speakers.

Please tell me how you came to this comment? I assume you read a magazine?
I have an M2 and I can promise u the car sounds amazing. Through the exhaust not the speakers. The sound of the car is intoxicating. People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still. And in the flesh when u are actually driving it the feel is incredible.
If anyone wants to see a stock e46 M3 get a hiding of note please race an M2.
That video is not a true reflection of the cars it's bs

Post to follow later with my M2

 

[VictorMike]

Wait ! Hold on !

Okes will buy an E46 M3 over the M2 ?

:roflol:


Rigggghhhhtttt !

If you came to me and said:
Here we have a barn find E46 M3, with 200 km on the clock. The barn it was in was hermetically sealed the whole time.

And on this side we have a new M2.

Same price

I would go for the E46.

 

[dvst8]

Wait ! Hold on !

Okes will buy an E46 M3 over the M2 ?

:roflol:


Rigggghhhhtttt !

If you came to me and said:
Here we have a barn find E46 M3, with 200 km on the clock. The barn it was in was hermetically sealed the whole time.

And on this side we have a new M2.

Same price

I would go for the E46.

Shame

:roflol:

 

[Lagwagon]

As mentioned.... 15 years of technology between the two, personally thought the M2 would be there much quicker than the e46, so the old girl in my view still hauls - in fact it looked to me that it was quicker 0 to 80 then was slower in the 80 - 140/150 area then seemed to get faster after that to 200. Maybe just a figment of my imagination....:tiptoe:

M3 was definitely quicker to 100, then slower the rest of the way.

Would take the E46 over the F87, if for nothing more than the sound in the M3 is real sound, not generated through the speakers.

Please tell me how you came to this comment? I assume you read a magazine?
I have an M2 and I can promise u the car sounds amazing. Through the exhaust not the speakers. The sound of the car is intoxicating. People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still. And in the flesh when u are actually driving it the feel is incredible.
If anyone wants to see a stock e46 M3 get a hiding of note please race an M2.
That video is not a true reflection of the cars it's bs

Post to follow later with my M2

I smell a race...:rollsmile:

 

[dvst8]

As mentioned.... 15 years of technology between the two, personally thought the M2 would be there much quicker than the e46, so the old girl in my view still hauls - in fact it looked to me that it was quicker 0 to 80 then was slower in the 80 - 140/150 area then seemed to get faster after that to 200. Maybe just a figment of my imagination....:tiptoe:

M3 was definitely quicker to 100, then slower the rest of the way.

Would take the E46 over the F87, if for nothing more than the sound in the M3 is real sound, not generated through the speakers.

Please tell me how you came to this comment? I assume you read a magazine?
I have an M2 and I can promise u the car sounds amazing. Through the exhaust not the speakers. The sound of the car is intoxicating. People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still. And in the flesh when u are actually driving it the feel is incredible.
If anyone wants to see a stock e46 M3 get a hiding of note please race an M2.
That video is not a true reflection of the cars it's bs

Post to follow later with my M2

For those delusional enough to believe the E46 is anywhere as quick as the M2, I have a slower M135 that im willing to prove u wrong with.

:=):

 

[Lagwagon]

As mentioned.... 15 years of technology between the two, personally thought the M2 would be there much quicker than the e46, so the old girl in my view still hauls - in fact it looked to me that it was quicker 0 to 80 then was slower in the 80 - 140/150 area then seemed to get faster after that to 200. Maybe just a figment of my imagination....:tiptoe:

M3 was definitely quicker to 100, then slower the rest of the way.

Would take the E46 over the F87, if for nothing more than the sound in the M3 is real sound, not generated through the speakers.

Please tell me how you came to this comment? I assume you read a magazine?
I have an M2 and I can promise u the car sounds amazing. Through the exhaust not the speakers. The sound of the car is intoxicating. People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still. And in the flesh when u are actually driving it the feel is incredible.
If anyone wants to see a stock e46 M3 get a hiding of note please race an M2.
That video is not a true reflection of the cars it's bs

Post to follow later with my M2

For those delusional enough to believe the E46 is anywhere as quick as the M2, I have a slower M135 that im willing to prove u wrong with.

:=):

I smell another race...:rollsmile:

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I would be very surprised if an E46 M3 can run with the M2 in real world conditions.

 

[Woodies]

As mentioned.... 15 years of technology between the two, personally thought the M2 would be there much quicker than the e46, so the old girl in my view still hauls - in fact it looked to me that it was quicker 0 to 80 then was slower in the 80 - 140/150 area then seemed to get faster after that to 200. Maybe just a figment of my imagination....:tiptoe:

M3 was definitely quicker to 100, then slower the rest of the way.

Would take the E46 over the F87, if for nothing more than the sound in the M3 is real sound, not generated through the speakers.

Please tell me how you came to this comment? I assume you read a magazine?
I have an M2 and I can promise u the car sounds amazing. Through the exhaust not the speakers. The sound of the car is intoxicating. People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still. And in the flesh when u are actually driving it the feel is incredible.
If anyone wants to see a stock e46 M3 get a hiding of note please race an M2.
That video is not a true reflection of the cars it's bs

Post to follow later with my M2

I own a e46 m3 and would love for this video to be true, but it just seems a bit optimistic to me :blueCry:
Sound clip of M2 please. From what I've heard they sound great (the real exhaust!)
As for the sound through the speakers, that's just lame, stupid and BMW should never have done that! Can you turn it off or have it coded out?

 

[Crash_Nemesis]

If anyone is gonna race an M2, let the race happen at the coast where the M3 will not be at a disadvantage. We all know e46 M3's lose 40kw up here in JHB and get picked on all the time due to atmospheric pressure etc etc.

Post a race from Durban or Cape Town.

 

[individj]

yes & it will need BP98 too at least

 

[Woodies]

yes & it will need BP98 too at least

Does the octane effect NA or turbo cars more? Octane booster works wonders in the n54, but I've never tried in the M3. Is it worth it in NA?

 

[Reese130]

As mentioned.... 15 years of technology between the two, personally thought the M2 would be there much quicker than the e46, so the old girl in my view still hauls - in fact it looked to me that it was quicker 0 to 80 then was slower in the 80 - 140/150 area then seemed to get faster after that to 200. Maybe just a figment of my imagination....:tiptoe:

M3 was definitely quicker to 100, then slower the rest of the way.

Would take the E46 over the F87, if for nothing more than the sound in the M3 is real sound, not generated through the speakers.

Please tell me how you came to this comment? I assume you read a magazine?
I have an M2 and I can promise u the car sounds amazing. Through the exhaust not the speakers. The sound of the car is intoxicating. People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still. And in the flesh when u are actually driving it the feel is incredible.
If anyone wants to see a stock e46 M3 get a hiding of note please race an M2.
That video is not a true reflection of the cars it's bs

Post to follow later with my M2

I own a e46 m3 and would love for this video to be true, but it just seems a bit optimistic to me :blueCry:
Sound clip of M2 please. From what I've heard they sound great (the real exhaust!)
As for the sound through the speakers, that's just lame, stupid and BMW should never have done that! Can you turn it off or have it coded out?

I'll post pics and sound clips tomorrow. Been away and just landed at OR Tambo.
Can't wait to drive home:rollsmile:

 

[VictorMike]

Shame

:roflol:

Why shame? I have my preference, and you obviously have yours.

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Please tell me how you came to this comment? I assume you read a magazine?
I have an M2 and I can promise u the car sounds amazing. Through the exhaust not the speakers. The sound of the car is intoxicating. People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still. And in the flesh when u are actually driving it the feel is incredible.

Yes, multiple articles.

Also, loud != good.

 

[Reese130]

Shame

:roflol:

Why shame? I have my preference, and you obviously have yours.

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Please tell me how you came to this comment? I assume you read a magazine?
I have an M2 and I can promise u the car sounds amazing. Through the exhaust not the speakers. The sound of the car is intoxicating. People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still. And in the flesh when u are actually driving it the feel is incredible.

Yes, multiple articles.

Also, loud != good.

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:coolShake: you should hear it for yourself. U'll then understand why I knew u hadn't heard one. They sound proper and yes they are loud which I agree is good!

 

[Nukleuz]

I agree with you guys, i would much rather have a 13 year old car than a brand new one.
As someone put it so brilliantly earlier it definitely has more "BMW-NESS".



Fokken lol.

You guys are just a bunch of bitter Betty's. If you had the bucks for an M2 there is not a fuck you would go and buy an e46.

You aint fooling anyone.


P.s. i would have taken the mustang

 

[Crash_Nemesis]

:coolShake: you should hear it for yourself. U'll then understand why I knew u hadn't heard one. They sound proper and yes they are loud which I agree is good!

Reese, I think you'll discover that Vukmiller meant loud does not equal good. That is what the != stands for.

Now I am going to ignore the 0-200 acceleration aspect of the video I posted and concentrate more on the sound of each car from said video, which is something I also noticed and many people have commented on. Reese, please feel free to upload sound clips of your car as I am sure we would all like to hear it properly.

Going on some of the comments on this forum and the video comments on youtube, it seems many prefer the sound of the e46 M3.

With that being said, one does have to wonder why more than a considerable number of respected motor car journalists from around the world are all of the same opinion about the exhaust note of the new breed of ///M cars, namely the M3/M4 and the M2. You cannot help but assume that maybe the car just doesn't sound as great as it's predecessors? Maybe this is why so many people who haven't driven the car think it sounds bad? Now, I personally think it does sound good, and I am sure it sounds great to you, and it should, but most journalists have compared the M2 and it's bigger brother, the M3/4, to past generations of M3's and they all agree that the exhaust note is lacking. The commonly asked question of "Why would BMW have artificial engine notes play through their speakers?" does seem to raise a few eyebrows. Are they compensating for something? Or maybe the lacklustre stock exhaust note is BMW just trying to sell more performance exhausts / Akrapovic exhausts (which I believe should have come stock on these cars).

Whatever the reason, I'm sorry to say it man, but I have to agree, I too am not completely impressed with the M2/M3/M4 soundtrack. As mentioned above, I do think it is good, it does sound like a proper performance car and yes, I've been behind an M4 at full tilt (where you will hear it best), it sounds mean, but, and this is my opinion with some experience, but it just does not sound as good as a naturally aspirated car in the same league. Let's not kid ourselves here. The turbo just simply and remorsefully kills the exhaust note. End of story. Nothing to discuss.

Now, the Crackle and pop when releasing the throttle, I'll admit is kinda damn cool, buuuuuuut in my opinion, I still love the hum of a high revving naturally aspirated engine when lifting off at 8000rpm. That is just what I like, I'm not implying which is better. PS. If any of you e46 M3 owners are a feeling like a bit of a kid, you can enable the crackle and pop exhaust feature on the e46 M3 with a simple hex change on the ECU BTW. Makes the car fart and burble when you lift off the throttle. Google it and be surprised.

People who are facing away from you turn around to see what's coming when u are a block away still.

Yeah,, I get this everyday too when I drive my e46 M3. Always. I also had a guy selling newspapers one morning tell me I am the #1 boss. Boy did I feel important. Once, I even had a modestly good looking woman (at least I think she was good looking, actually I couldn't really tell as I was driving too fast) throw her bra at me as I drove past. I've even had a car full of babes flash me as I revved my car near them. Sarcasm off.

Ok, enough kak, if you will let me entertain you with a video of a modified F30 328i with JB4, headers, catless downpipe, CAI with Flexi-fuel Wires (40% e85) vs an e46 M3 with headers and tune. (USA M3's had restrictive headers for emissions, so many e46 owners bought Euro headers or aftermarket headers to regain the lost HP their cars suffered). Now yes, I know this isn't an M2, and I am not comparing which car is faster, I would just like to demonstrate what a well driven e46 M3 sounds like against a highly modified BMW turbo car. I am 100% sure the M2 will most definitely sound better than this 328i, but I'd be amazed if it sounded anything as good as a screaming S54 at full wide open throttle.

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and lastly, let me entertain you of a video of my personal M3 fitted with an aftermarket intake manifold. You just cannot beat this intake sound on a new generation turbo BMW.

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In regards to which car I would own if you were to give me one right now, that would be a difficult question as for me, it is about looks and driver experience and not who is faster. Trust me, I know what speed is, my M3 used to be supercharged, its not everything. I am absolutely in love with the looks of the M4 and the M2 is kinda growing on me, but looks wise, the way I have my e46 M3 setup right now just does it for me. I absolutely love the shape and look of the e46 M3, it simply speaks to me and who I am. With that being said, it seems many journalists are comparing the M2 to the e46 M3 and saying they are very similar in how they drive, and that the M2 should appeal to enthusiasts who thought BMW was returning to it's roots. All in all, though, I have found that most journalists still agree that the e46 M3 is still the purer of the two cars and if that is really true, then I'll gladly keep my e46 M3 because I love knowing what my front axle is doing as I wrestle this raging bull around corners at triple digit speeds.

FLAME SUIT ON :rollsmile:

I don't want to turn this thread into a "which car is the better" thread, which I can see it already going towards, but I would take that e46 M3 over the M2 purely on how sexy it looks. Jesus, look at that thing. The e46 M3 is still a better looking car in my books. Sorry M2

 

[Reese130]

The sounds are different. I love the sound of the naturally aspirated cars as well. But the M2 sounds amazing in its own way. Completely different from the M4.
The pic of the M2 next to the e46... that's not a stock e46 it's dropped and more. And to me it looks old and to rounded. The M2 doesnt photograph well. Especially when u can't see it from the side and front. The wheel arches and the brute look which u can see in the sunlight don't come through on photos. The colour doesn't even come through on the photos.
Anyway each to their own. In my opinion the M2 is a way better looking car. People lose their shit when I drive past or pull into a petrol station to take photos and ask questions. They suddenly become children, jaws dropping and smiling. I wouldn't trade my M2 for 2 X e46 M3s
But that's me, clearly u love ur car which is cool. Enjoy it

 

[ChefDJ]

People be like

 

[moranor@axis]

why is it so hard to believe some would rather own an e46 M3?

I know plenty people who can afford to drive whatever car they want and still keep an e46 M

for some BMWs new turbo cars just dont do it for them and they want a engine that begs you to rev it out and there is nothing wrong with that

for these people there is no new BMW that will do it for them so it is ether buy another brand or stick with an older bmw

which would I choose taking cost out of the equation?
I dont know would have to drive an M2 1st but based on my experience with *35i I know it will be a difficult choice
the e46 is perfect in alot of ways but im sure the M2 is also very impressive

 

[Woodies]

Drove the e46 M3 this morning. That engine is a work of art! S54=brilliance
It gets so exciting when the revs get up, it just makes you want to push it and push it, aaaaaaaaargh its soooooooo blerry addictive.
Luckily I cant afford an M2 so I don't have to decide between the 2, #1st world problems.

 

[dvst8]

Look, e46 was a great car, 16 years ago. It still is very desirable. No doubt.

The new generation M cars however have developed and improved over the years.

The nokia 6110 was was a great phone in 2000, robust and worked well. For 2016 however, the smart phone is where its at.

Similarly, M car technology has developed over the years, for the better.

It easy reviewing and shooting down the M2 after a keyboard test drive. Drive the car, u will be pleasantly surprised.

New Gen BMW's rock !