Durban teen killed in 'high-speed' N2 crash

[Drama]

This is very sad indeed, he was obviously a petrolhead from the facts that I gathered. :blueCry:

On the entire maturity issue, age dictates nothing. It's a silly measure of maturity by any yardstick. Granted I will stick to what I always say, nothing wrong with owning a fast car and driving it, BUT you MUST learn your car well before you do.. I took it easy for at least a month when I got my 335i learning it and how it responds and reacts on wet and dry roads. Then you can plant it because you know how it 'should' react, but anything can still happen out there.

That said very sad loss indeed. Condolences to the family and friends.

"but anything can still happen out there"

Exactly! Hence its called an accident.



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[zippy320]

This is really sad , RIP to the young guy and condolences to his family , I drive through that exact spot everyday and knew that one day an accident like was bound to happen again.

The problem or well mistake drivers can make on that stretch of road is , It comes of a really long long stretch of N2 , I see many drivers driving really fast on that stretch of the N2 , They would then try and avoid slower moving traffic moving towards and on the slow lane (left lane of the n2) by turning sharply towards the entrance of the ramp as it in itself is another long straight stretch of road with a slight bend .

If you loose it at that point or clip the edge of the Aramco barrier at the entrance, of which its very easy to do , your in trouble, big trouble as there are concrete walls on either side as well as Aramco barriers and bridge pillars on the other separating the N2 from this offramp . Both the N2 and this offramp are of the same level. I suspect this is what has happened , as it has happened at this point many times before. Looks like he lost it , hit the barriers , walls , or drainage and rolled .

Its very easy to lose control of your car while taking a sharp turn at high speed.

RIP

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

I saw a very bad inicident with a 18 year old in a Tazz. So the power of the car is not the issue here.

Sorry, but I disagree.

I think what Saber is trying to say is that "speed" is the problem, but unfortunately, speed and power are very closely related to each other, so consider this, a Tazz can reach atleast 140km/h, that's enough to kill anybody....but a car with 225kw can reach that in much shorter space and less effort And more likely to reach higher speeds more often, coupled with in experience, you got yourself an accident waiting to happen.

Exactly.

 

[dvst8]

So you saying buying a performance hot hatch in your 40's is immature ?

:biglol:

:rollsmile:

YUP...

old men (like me) should accept, that they are destined to cruising in 7 series, this mid-life crisis, sitting in an open top Porsche with a toupee, is so :thumbdo::thumbdo:

:=):

I double immature then, approaching the naughty 40's and have both a performance hatch and convertible. Now I just need to find the toupee.

:sorry:

 

[RAArmstrong]

Hi exception to the rule here clearly. 21 and drive a 3.0d BMW :fencelook:

At 18 I was given a 2005 Golf 2.0TDI. Not a slow car by any means. My father believed that I should have a safe car that's fuel efficient and can keep up with traffic. A lot of this was due to the 30km commute on the N3 I had to school every day.

To this day I've never had an accident. Never even put a mark on either car to my knowledge. I think it's more about maturity and experience. While I had my learners my dad made me drive with him every opportunity we had. During that year I drove a few times to Johannesburg. Did the Lions share of a 4500km road trip to the Cape with the family and numerous other trips. Personally I think this was vital experience building and gave me the confidence needed to be a safe driver on the roads.

I hold a private pilots license now and am working towards a Commercial license. The concept is much the same. You can obtain a PPL at around 45 hours of flight time, but a Commercial license with no less than 200. Why? Because it's all about experience and even then I won't be flying anything special. Hell Ill probably end up flying the same aircraft I did my training on for the first year or two in any case.

Regardless, what happened was bloody tragic and I can't even begin to imagine how his family must be feeling.

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[DINODENASH]

Hi exception to the rule here clearly. 21 and drive a 3.0d BMW :fencelook:

At 18 I was given a 2005 Golf 2.0TDI. Not a slow car by any means. My father believed that I should have a safe car that's fuel efficient and can keep up with traffic. A lot of this was due to the 30km commute on the N3 I had to school every day.

To this day I've never had an accident. Never even put a mark on either car to my knowledge. I think it's more about maturity and experience. While I had my learners my dad made me drive with him every opportunity we had. During that year I drove a few times to Johannesburg. Did the Lions share of a 4500km road trip to the Cape with the family and numerous other trips. Personally I think this was vital experience building and gave me the confidence needed to be a safe driver on the roads.

I hold a private pilots license now and am working towards a Commercial license. The concept is much the same. You can obtain a PPL at around 45 hours of flight time, but a Commercial license with no less than 200. Why? Because it's all about experience and even then I won't be flying anything special. Hell Ill probably end up flying the same aircraft I did my training on for the first year or two in any case.

Regardless, what happened was bloody tragic and I can't even begin to imagine how his family must be feeling.

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nice man !! that's awesome
My dream was to be a pilot :coolShake:

 

[Venda Boy]

R.I.P young man.

 

[TurboLlew]

I second the sentiment of taking our learnings from this unfortunate incident and perhaps cleaning up some of the comments. I think we are all in agreement that this was a tragedy.

The vast statistics out there speak louder than the anecdotal evidence or personal beliefs of a few of us on the subject of age. We suffer collectively from overestimating our abilities as well as underestimating just how 'bad' the next person is likely to be at driving just because we are perhaps better or more experienced at a certain age. Speeding on most of our road surfaces is generally a bad idea, especially with reduced visibility and even if you have the skill to handle your car at speed. I'm driving an M5 and over 30... I've done thousands of laps in other cars (RWD and AWD). This car is really fast and requires your wits about you whether you are 18 or 48 years old.

What I am trying to say in probably too many words is that it's not about one thing... speed, age, car's dynamics, power, conditions, experience, parents etc... it's probably about a lot of things that led up to this and sometimes there just isn't a single clear culprit.

There are many stories from many claiming to have personally known him across all forums and groups (and ban-fests are happening in the process elsewhere) eg: he was driving aggressively for his JB4 to learn, had no seatbelt, seatbelt clipped in, racing an A45, daddy got him the car, some holiday pyramid scheme bought the car for him, he earned the money from that pyramid scheme etc. etc. Stories are getting crazier by the day and it is clear that the vast majority of the people who are saying these things don't actually know anything as most are contradictory. Those that really know probably aren't saying anything.

There was a really distasteful thread on the RSC that started off similarly and devolved into 10 pages of people accusing the deceased and his girlfriend of being racing/drunk/showing off and blaming other forum members for the accident because of street racing etc. Probably best to avoid this speculation. We all have guardian angels (or sheer luck if you don't believe in those) that have kept ourselves and others safe during our younger years.

 

[Jeremy]

I second the sentiment of taking our learnings from this unfortunate incident and perhaps cleaning up some of the comments. I think we are all in agreement that this was a tragedy.

The vast statistics out there speak louder than the anecdotal evidence or personal beliefs of a few of us on the subject of age. We suffer collectively from overestimating our abilities as well as underestimating just how 'bad' the next person is likely to be at driving just because we are perhaps better or more experienced at a certain age. Speeding on most of our road surfaces is generally a bad idea, especially with reduced visibility and even if you have the skill to handle your car at speed. I'm driving an M5 and over 30... I've done thousands of laps in other cars (RWD and AWD). This car is really fast and requires your wits about you whether you are 18 or 48 years old.

What I am trying to say in probably too many words is that it's not about one thing... speed, age, car's dynamics, power, conditions, experience, parents etc... it's probably about a lot of things that led up to this and sometimes there just isn't a single clear culprit.

There are many stories from many claiming to have personally known him across all forums and groups (and ban-fests are happening in the process elsewhere) eg: he was driving aggressively for his JB4 to learn, had no seatbelt, seatbelt clipped in, racing an A45, daddy got him the car, some holiday pyramid scheme bought the car for him, he earned the money from that pyramid scheme etc. etc. Stories are getting crazier by the day and it is clear that the vast majority of the people who are saying these things don't actually know anything as most are contradictory. Those that really know probably aren't saying anything.

There was a really distasteful thread on the RSC that started off similarly and devolved into 10 pages of people accusing the deceased and his girlfriend of being racing/drunk/showing off and blaming other forum members for the accident because of street racing etc. Probably best to avoid this speculation. We all have guardian angels (or sheer luck if you don't believe in those) that have kept ourselves and others safe during our younger years.

+1 Llew, as i said earlier aswell, that we will never know the real story, this accident may have not even been his fault.

I have also heard that he was part of a holiday pyramid scheme, and he bought the car himself etc... so its looks like his parents arent really to blame, if that is true, but no matter what, a young soul has lost his life, my Prayers and thoughts are with the family.

 

[pimpassdaddy]

+LLew

The one thing I'd like to say again that you touched on, is the speed issue.

One thing about that accident is the fact that the impact was HIGH. Even if it's not you who dies, you could kill another.

Let's be safe and watch our speed. We all have a lot to live for.

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[wolfman7]

just a bit of info

i remember seeing an episode of top gear where clarkson aquaplaned with a M135i and spun 400m or so.

 

[M135i]

just a bit of info

i remember seeing an episode of top gear where clarkson aquaplaned with a M135i and spun 400m or so.

?
Any car hitting a puddle of water at that speed will do the same


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[peanut125i]

just a bit of info

i remember seeing an episode of top gear where clarkson aquaplaned with a M135i and spun 400m or so.

?
Any car hitting a puddle of water at that speed will do the same


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That has been discussed to death. The main thing is the traction control was off in the bmw and in that weather at that speed they were asking for it. Mind you if they did that on purpose I don't think that planned on it going quite as badly as that. Luckily the camera men did not get caught up in that.

But it's sad the young guy lost his life and condolences to his family.

 

[M3turbo]

I dont think "age" is to blame, more about maturity.

Most F1GP drivers are between 18 and 25, and you are considered to be beyond your peak (sharpness) by the time you reach 30, but unlike the general public, F1 drivers are mature and PROFFESIONAL, thats what is missing here, maturity.

And some folks don't ever "mature", still racing around in "BOY-RACERS" well into their 40's, like the Golf accident, a few days ago, that took out all the innocent neighbours children.

Grow up/ maturity is the key, there should be physcological profilling done.



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Well said.