Affordable quality engine management system in SA?

[Elton_LV]

Been mulling over an aftermarket EMS for a project car.
Anyone know of a well supported, good quality brand available in SA.
If Motec was more affordable it would be my choice.
Must be able to do both 4 and 6 cylinder Cars

Feedback as always, much appreciated


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[skank]

The only one I'd go near would be PerfectPower. They are internationally respected and the workshop backs off the office where all the programming is done so updates are quick.

Otherwise Motec, I am debating it myself. :'(

 

[Nikhil]

Powermods many people have used them with no issues. :=):

 

[Via]

Dicktator, reliable and easy to install and tune.

 

[Nikhil]

I think the key question will be what engines are you looking at? another key point is that the ecu is only as good as the tuner.

 

[danieljames]

I think the key question will be what engines are you looking at? another key point is that the ecu is only as good as the tuner.

I like that......what do u think about the uni-q u were using?

 

[Elton_LV]

The two engines are an S14 and a M88.....



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[Nikhil]

I think the key question will be what engines are you looking at? another key point is that the ecu is only as good as the tuner.

I like that......what do u think about the uni-q u were using?

well the gains are no where close to a turbo car however it pulled harder through the entire rev range and not just up top.The torque was more accessible and it made 5th gear acceleration pretty easy. :=):

Topclub on the forum has since purchased it and had it fitted to his E36 325i so he can also comment. But he had it retuned because he is running more mods:rollsmile:

 

[Nikhil]

The two engines are an S14 and a M88.....



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Ok to be honest those are really simple engines in terms of electronics so no fancy vanos ect so nothing high tech is required.

Look at Powermods, spitronics, gotech :=):

 

[Elton_LV]

Thanks guys, anyone here running one thats been recommended or spoken about above.


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The only one I'd go near would be PerfectPower. They are internationally respected and the workshop backs off the office where all the programming is done so updates are quick.

Otherwise Motec, I am debating it myself. :'(

I'm guessing you using it for your 6er Skank.

To me it seems like a big big decision, want the least hassle, reliable EMS


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[Gizmo]

Haltech. /thread

 

[Nikhil]

Haltech. /thread

Affordable :hammerhead:

 

[Elton_LV]

Haltech. /thread

Affordable :hammerhead:

Don't know the Haltec prices, but entry level Motec EMS excluding wiring harness is $2800.
Anyone have estimate prices for PerfectPower and Haltec.



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[Nikhil]

Haltech. /thread

Affordable :hammerhead:

Don't know the Haltec prices, but entry level Motec EMS excluding wiring harness is $2800.
Anyone have estimate prices for PerfectPower and Haltec.



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Bruce on the forum got one fitted on his E36 race car recently. Maybe have a chat with him.

 

[netercol]

not sure if quality and affordable goes hand in hand where management is concerned..

most of the local affordable ones will do a satisfactory job, but they are not in haltec class..

not saying the gotech/perfectpower/dicktator/ect are rubbish , but you get what you pay for..

 

[Gizmo]

Haltech systems from R11k upwards.
S14 and M88 are too advanced for local ECUs to run properly, stay well away from the local stuff, its no good, none of them are. They are way too basic to run BMW motors and shouldn't be considered at all, you are way better off with the original Bosch DME and a piggyback ECU to do timing and fuelling alterations.

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I just don't understand why people are so dumb in this country when it comes to performance motors, they spend tonnes of money on all the greatest internal/external components on a motor and then run if off the cheapest ECU they can find, idiots!

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[Elton_LV]

Haltech systems from R11k upwards.
S14 and M88 are too advanced for local ECUs to run properly, stay well away from the local stuff, its no good, none of them are. They are way too basic to run BMW motors and shouldn't be considered at all, you are way better off with the original Bosch DME and a piggyback ECU to do timing and fuelling alterations.

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I just don't understand why people are so dumb in this country when it comes to performance motors, they spend tonnes of money on all the greatest internal/external components on a motor and then run if off the cheapest ECU they can find, idiots!

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Goed koop is duur koop, klaar!

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Thanks for the Feedback Giz.....



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[Gizmo]

Lets give you an example, a local ECU will run a engine off only 3 sensors, MAP sensor (built into ECU), TPS (throttle position sensor) and lastly Crank sensor. This is why local ECUs run engines so poorly, why they battle to start, why they battle to idle correctly and why they are so thirsty on fuel.
BMW motors (even 25yr old BMW motors) have way more sensors than a local ECU has input/outputs to control, so you end up not connecting most of the motor's sensors to the local ECU. Cam sensors, idle control valve, knock sensors, vanos solenoids ect don't get connected because the cheap ECU is too basic to compute all those signals to give you a reliable running setup.

Compare our local stuff vs the overseas stuff and you very quickly realise how far behind/backwards our local stuff really is.
Overseas ECUs connect to every sensor your motor has to make sure your motor always runs at it peak, no matter the temperature, load or weather conditions.

 

[Elton_LV]

Haltech systems from R11k upwards.
S14 and M88 are too advanced for local ECUs to run properly, stay well away from the local stuff, its no good, none of them are. They are way too basic to run BMW motors and shouldn't be considered at all, you are way better off with the original Bosch DME and a piggyback ECU to do timing and fuelling alterations.

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I just don't understand why people are so dumb in this country when it comes to performance motors, they spend tonnes of money on all the greatest internal/external components on a motor and then run if off the cheapest ECU they can find, idiots!

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Goed koop is duur koop, klaar!

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Thanks for the Feedback Giz.....



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[Gizmo]

Remember, our local ECUs are only designed to run old and very basic engines found in old golfs and opels and the like, its for those who want to convert
their motors from carb fed to electronic fuel injection, hence the reason for so few signal inputs. They are not meant for modern engines with multiple signal inputs, for that you need to look overseas for the right stuff.