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1998 E36 323i Motorsport (Rozey)
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Crazyboi
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I'm sorry... I don't know both parties, but from an outsiders perspective, that's just too convenient...
Again.. Outsiders comment after reading all the posts, where I believe one had you saying the engine was "toast" then saying something else when questioned for exact reasons to justify how the engine is toasted.
I could be wrong, but good luck with the new owner, his bill, and your build
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Again.. Outsiders comment after reading all the posts, where I believe one had you saying the engine was "toast" then saying something else when questioned for exact reasons to justify how the engine is toasted.
I could be wrong, but good luck with the new owner, his bill, and your build
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Gizmo
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Crazyboi said:I'm sorry... I don't know both parties, but from an outsiders perspective, that's just too convenient...
Again.. Outsiders comment after reading all the posts, where I believe one had you saying the engine was "toast" then saying something else when questioned for exact reasons to justify how the engine is toasted.
I could be wrong, but good luck with the new owner, his bill, and your build
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What is convenient about buying a car for 75k only to find out later the engine and gearbox are in need of replacement?
I suggest you clutch at straws elsewhere.
Crazyboi
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Gizmo said:Crazyboi said:I'm sorry... I don't know both parties, but from an outsiders perspective, that's just too convenient...
Again.. Outsiders comment after reading all the posts, where I believe one had you saying the engine was "toast" then saying something else when questioned for exact reasons to justify how the engine is toasted.
I could be wrong, but good luck with the new owner, his bill, and your build
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What is convenient about buying a car for 75k only to find out later the engine and gearbox are in need of replacement?
I suggest you clutch at straws elsewhere.
It's convenient that he drove his car to a workshop, the mechanic tells him the engine is toasted (gearbox aside), and then the mechanic has his own personal engine (which has been kept aside and isn't in use) on hand to fit into a car.
I gave you my opinion based on what I read... And I wished you, the owner and his bill luck...
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Gizmo
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You are more than welcome to bring your mechanic of choice past for a compression test on the motor. Let him confirm my results, until then, step off!Crazyboi said:Gizmo said:Crazyboi said:I'm sorry... I don't know both parties, but from an outsiders perspective, that's just too convenient...
Again.. Outsiders comment after reading all the posts, where I believe one had you saying the engine was "toast" then saying something else when questioned for exact reasons to justify how the engine is toasted.
I could be wrong, but good luck with the new owner, his bill, and your build
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What is convenient about buying a car for 75k only to find out later the engine and gearbox are in need of replacement?
I suggest you clutch at straws elsewhere.
It's convenient that he drove his car to a workshop, the mechanic tells him the engine is toasted (gearbox aside), and then the mechanic has his own personal engine (which has been kept aside and isn't in use) on hand to fit into a car.
I gave you my opinion based on what I read... And I wished you, the owner and his bill luck...
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The skill level of the internet mechanics on here is unparalleled!
I know karsh and how he does his best to look after his vehicles and there no way he would have known or would be hiding any issues with regard to problems that may have arisen with regard to the car.
With all due respect Warren, whilst I trust you know your way around cars, you should word your posts more carefully and choose to proof read before posting. The impression was given when you said "toast" that it may have been that karsh caused it, or did not bother to attend to it.
The car has done 250k kilos...which a lot of mileage and should be looked at such...
Later on in the thread you go on to say, it's virgin car and it's a pleasure to work on it... That is how you should have opened today's discussion imho and not the way you did.
Whether you building the car or Not, whether the new owner chose to do this start, the impression should not be given that another senior member who has also helped alpt of guys on this communoty through small efforts behind the scenes, didn't look after it for the 1 year he had it.
We don't need another thread going to crap...so I'll leave it here for now.
Best wishes to the new owner of the car..I hope the car treats you well and you have many safe and happy kilos...
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With all due respect Warren, whilst I trust you know your way around cars, you should word your posts more carefully and choose to proof read before posting. The impression was given when you said "toast" that it may have been that karsh caused it, or did not bother to attend to it.
The car has done 250k kilos...which a lot of mileage and should be looked at such...
Later on in the thread you go on to say, it's virgin car and it's a pleasure to work on it... That is how you should have opened today's discussion imho and not the way you did.
Whether you building the car or Not, whether the new owner chose to do this start, the impression should not be given that another senior member who has also helped alpt of guys on this communoty through small efforts behind the scenes, didn't look after it for the 1 year he had it.
We don't need another thread going to crap...so I'll leave it here for now.
Best wishes to the new owner of the car..I hope the car treats you well and you have many safe and happy kilos...
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Wes
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Conclusions. Interesting, that.
It started out as a "let's have a look and see what's what thing" which is absolutely the correct way to go about assessing a new-to-anyone car.
But it snowballed pretty quickly into a motor swap (as per the owner's desire) and a gearbox replacement because 6 speed.
Now to be fair, it didn't need a whole new engine because as you said, the outside looks in pretty decent shape for 250k km and I don't see any holes in the block or bits in the sump etc so, a top end rebuild and maybe a hone and some rings and he would have been perfectly ok.
With your equipment and skill set it could have been done in place as well.
You made no mention initially of a broken gearbox and given that it's manual (a very dirty manual), again an overhaul would probably be sufficient for the power, new motor or not (regardless of what the internet would have you believe) and were it outsourced there would be the added piece of mind of some form of warranty on the work carried out.
What's grating some people here is that everything he "needs" for the "perfect" daily driver happens to be dead weight that you no longer need/want/have use for.
Add to that the labour costs in doing the conversion as opposed to doing a basic head overhaul and you can see how it looks.
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It started out as a "let's have a look and see what's what thing" which is absolutely the correct way to go about assessing a new-to-anyone car.
But it snowballed pretty quickly into a motor swap (as per the owner's desire) and a gearbox replacement because 6 speed.
Now to be fair, it didn't need a whole new engine because as you said, the outside looks in pretty decent shape for 250k km and I don't see any holes in the block or bits in the sump etc so, a top end rebuild and maybe a hone and some rings and he would have been perfectly ok.
With your equipment and skill set it could have been done in place as well.
You made no mention initially of a broken gearbox and given that it's manual (a very dirty manual), again an overhaul would probably be sufficient for the power, new motor or not (regardless of what the internet would have you believe) and were it outsourced there would be the added piece of mind of some form of warranty on the work carried out.
What's grating some people here is that everything he "needs" for the "perfect" daily driver happens to be dead weight that you no longer need/want/have use for.
Add to that the labour costs in doing the conversion as opposed to doing a basic head overhaul and you can see how it looks.
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osiris
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Guys....comon now why is there so much damn Animosity on this forum lately? :thumbdo:
Gosh the car is clean Gizmo said it himself. no one is bashing anyone or saying anything bad about the car. Unfortunately the car as stated has 250 000km on it. Its not going to be perfect.
Also a compression test can't really be faked. it is what it is.
I don't think Gizmo tried to con the guy into buying his 328i engine either so please guys lets just all be friends here and enjoy the forum for what it is.
We are actually very luck to have a forum like this where we get to see cool things like engine swaps and turbo conversions etc. If you guys carry on like this people like gizmo and myself and other people are just going to stop posting DIY and build threads because of all the negative comments.
Guys please refer to this post We are Fanatics by @FiRi@Rennzport Read through it fully. if you have something negative to say then there is a PM feature. :blowheart:
Gosh the car is clean Gizmo said it himself. no one is bashing anyone or saying anything bad about the car. Unfortunately the car as stated has 250 000km on it. Its not going to be perfect.
Also a compression test can't really be faked. it is what it is.
I don't think Gizmo tried to con the guy into buying his 328i engine either so please guys lets just all be friends here and enjoy the forum for what it is.
We are actually very luck to have a forum like this where we get to see cool things like engine swaps and turbo conversions etc. If you guys carry on like this people like gizmo and myself and other people are just going to stop posting DIY and build threads because of all the negative comments.
Guys please refer to this post We are Fanatics by @FiRi@Rennzport Read through it fully. if you have something negative to say then there is a PM feature. :blowheart:
Gizmo
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Just an fyi this thread is running behind in comparison to the build on whatsapp between tumi and myself so I'm busy getting the thread up to speed. But judging from the responses here I think it's all a big waste of time...
I'm quite disgusted in the behavior of some of you. I'm trying to document a fanatics build thread and you just want to tear everything down and throw discredit my way... witch hunt indeed!
Next time I will take a video of doing a compression test for you guys, but then the naysayers, cheerleaders and arse flies will say I doctored the video so it's pointless trying to please them because all they do is feed off negativity and defecate on threads to make others as miserable as they are...
I'm quite disgusted in the behavior of some of you. I'm trying to document a fanatics build thread and you just want to tear everything down and throw discredit my way... witch hunt indeed!
Next time I will take a video of doing a compression test for you guys, but then the naysayers, cheerleaders and arse flies will say I doctored the video so it's pointless trying to please them because all they do is feed off negativity and defecate on threads to make others as miserable as they are...
Blert
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Nobody is miserable. Everybody is actually pointing out the fact that you selling convenience at a price.
Conveniently you doing a m50 swop
Conveniently you selling your 328 motor
Conveniently you have a 6 speed box
The OP did mention in the beginning he wanted to do the swop so it’s just as convenient for him.
But as firi said had you worded you posts correctly all this could have been avoided.
The previous owner,other then opening up the motor or being a mechie and doing a tests as you did, would have never known about the problems that you found.
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Conveniently you doing a m50 swop
Conveniently you selling your 328 motor
Conveniently you have a 6 speed box
The OP did mention in the beginning he wanted to do the swop so it’s just as convenient for him.
But as firi said had you worded you posts correctly all this could have been avoided.
The previous owner,other then opening up the motor or being a mechie and doing a tests as you did, would have never known about the problems that you found.
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Gizmo
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Ok...Tumi has requested this thread be deleted as he just wants to move forward with the build on whatsapp only between him and myself as there is far too much negativity on the forum of late. I'm sorry for the genuine fanatics here who contribute to the forum and follow my build threads as I am getting gatvol with the trash that frequent this forum. They are making the whole forum most unpleasant and it shows in the stats. I wish we had the old forum back, was all about the cars, not the need to throw salt on everything...
Aww....Now yuben is taking all his six plus rep points away from me...shame.:blueCry: Must be those bitter sweet tears of not driving a BMW anymore...:sorry: but that's what you get when you insult a person by lowballing them, stuck with your second choice, a vw. Your pettiness shows no bounds, sad what you have become....You don't see me deleting all my positives on your profile, that's just childish!
Aww....Now yuben is taking all his six plus rep points away from me...shame.:blueCry: Must be those bitter sweet tears of not driving a BMW anymore...:sorry: but that's what you get when you insult a person by lowballing them, stuck with your second choice, a vw. Your pettiness shows no bounds, sad what you have become....You don't see me deleting all my positives on your profile, that's just childish!
that_guy_Ettiene
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So you guys think its dodgy for a mechanic and a hoarder of all things BMW to have most of the things you need to repair etc a BMW?
Come on!
I mean Warren has so many different styles of alloys in his garage it looks better than most wheel shops!
You guys are probably use to waiting a min of 2 weeks for part and now you find it strange that someone actually has the part(s) you want and need.
So what if Warren had a suitable motor had he was doing a swap in is own car? If he didn't swap it in Tumi car he probably would have kept it for something else.
Gizmo, keep it up. Its nice seeing real car people actually doing something on/with cars.
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Come on!
I mean Warren has so many different styles of alloys in his garage it looks better than most wheel shops!
You guys are probably use to waiting a min of 2 weeks for part and now you find it strange that someone actually has the part(s) you want and need.
So what if Warren had a suitable motor had he was doing a swap in is own car? If he didn't swap it in Tumi car he probably would have kept it for something else.
Gizmo, keep it up. Its nice seeing real car people actually doing something on/with cars.
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Gizmo
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Conveniently the shit stirrers dont have build threads of their own, nor do they post valued content. They wouldn't dare post their work for the whole world to see because of their insecurities. That's why you only see buying and selling threads coming out of them...
Instead of aspiring to a higher level they prefer to "conveniently" knock everyone down to theirs. Their flimsy pedastils are way too rickety to be rocking others...
Once mob mentality steps in people will blert out any garbage and the rest will believe it, no matter how outlandish it may be...
Instead of aspiring to a higher level they prefer to "conveniently" knock everyone down to theirs. Their flimsy pedastils are way too rickety to be rocking others...
Once mob mentality steps in people will blert out any garbage and the rest will believe it, no matter how outlandish it may be...
RAArmstrong
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Gizmo said:
Go read your own posts Warren. Your pettiness knows no bounds either.
You've been told time and time again that the way you word your posts comes across badly. This is written text, not spoken word. You have to be so careful about how you word stuff. You come across as aggressive and a know it all. This may not be your intention. But that's how it comes across and that's what gets members riled up. Then you continue to take to bait and go on the offensive.
Once again you've verbally attacked another member and if the staff decide to punish you for that. Then you'll cry that the staff have it in för you. Yet you are breaking the rules. It's Yubens prerogative if he wants to remove the rep. It's a privelage not a right to have it on your profile. That's between you and him. Not the rest of the forum.
I as much as any person love a good build thread but honestly. These get ruined because at the end of it all you feed off the bait that's laid down by other members because of how you word your stuff.
At the end of it all. There's 3 parties involved here. Owner of the car and you. As well as Karsh. Now if Karsh says he was up front with the issues on the car that he was AWARE of then I believe him and all power to him for being up front about it. We aren't all mechanics and cars are really good at masking some of their problems until stuff just breaks.
What matters here is what you and the op decided to do on the car. He's your customer and he's the one you should be ensuring is happy and that you're not taking him for a ride in any way. If he's satisfied and happy with the work that's being done and it's what he wants done on the car. Then you've done your job.
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Wes
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Well since it's still open..
Gizmo you are THE shit stirrer.
Points were made, views we're shared and all you responded with was a negative comment or outright insult at the end of every post.
As for builds and build threads, old scrap with colour coded beadings and a different motor doesn't count. Nor does it make you a guru.
So throw your toys, insult those who advertise, who buy things, who don't blow smoke where you want it and leave. Again. Or don't. It's up to you.
You lack tact, and many are just tired of you.
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Gizmo you are THE shit stirrer.
Points were made, views we're shared and all you responded with was a negative comment or outright insult at the end of every post.
As for builds and build threads, old scrap with colour coded beadings and a different motor doesn't count. Nor does it make you a guru.
So throw your toys, insult those who advertise, who buy things, who don't blow smoke where you want it and leave. Again. Or don't. It's up to you.
You lack tact, and many are just tired of you.
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Gizmo
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So how is it that only a small group of bandits read my posts wrong and go on the attack when the rest of the forum understands what I was saying? It's always the same prejudicial group that come out the woodwork to feed off the chaos of their own doing, like pigs they need to wallow in shit and everything around them needs to be shit too.
I honestly couldn't give a rats ass what yuben thinks, he has shown his true colours to the whole forum, that's on him for being so petty and making things personal, great qualities your mod in chef has there, you must be so proud, not!
I honestly couldn't give a rats ass what yuben thinks, he has shown his true colours to the whole forum, that's on him for being so petty and making things personal, great qualities your mod in chef has there, you must be so proud, not!
Not cool guys
This is a fantastic site but if we are going to be at each other's throats about sh$t it's going to go down the drain very fast.
The op never said anything bad about his purchase. ..he was very happy with the car as is .
There were no insinuation in any way towards the seller for not being absolutely honest in the selling of the vechile. .
In short..the buyer is happy with his purchase. ..and it being a 22 year old car I think it is still in damn good condition.
The op opted to do some major maintenance on it to get it to his liking. ..he like a 328I as do I and I'm very sure he do have an estimate of what it's going to cost. ..he wants it so let him have it. He obviously did weight up his options between an overhaul or a transplant.
Gizmo have an engine available and there's absolutely nothing strange about it since he specializes in bmw and specifically in E36. .I would rather take an engine I know the history of than to go and pick up one from a scrapyard and hope it's still good...and good luck finding one.
I for one would like to see this engine transplant. .
And no I don't no any of the party's involved.
This is a fantastic site but if we are going to be at each other's throats about sh$t it's going to go down the drain very fast.
The op never said anything bad about his purchase. ..he was very happy with the car as is .
There were no insinuation in any way towards the seller for not being absolutely honest in the selling of the vechile. .
In short..the buyer is happy with his purchase. ..and it being a 22 year old car I think it is still in damn good condition.
The op opted to do some major maintenance on it to get it to his liking. ..he like a 328I as do I and I'm very sure he do have an estimate of what it's going to cost. ..he wants it so let him have it. He obviously did weight up his options between an overhaul or a transplant.
Gizmo have an engine available and there's absolutely nothing strange about it since he specializes in bmw and specifically in E36. .I would rather take an engine I know the history of than to go and pick up one from a scrapyard and hope it's still good...and good luck finding one.
I for one would like to see this engine transplant. .
And no I don't no any of the party's involved.
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