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Xcede F80 M3 Custom Tune in KZN
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BeemerFanatic
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My car was at BMW Sa for a while and the first thing they were "diagnosing" was the DME software.
Gonna leave my AH3 stock and be happy with 250kw flywheel power.
BMW did update the software and the car feels stronger.
Gonna leave my AH3 stock and be happy with 250kw flywheel power.
BMW did update the software and the car feels stronger.
QikNish said:
We do this weekly and it’s undetectable. Give a technical reason why you think it’s hard to believe? Flash counter? CVN? What do do you think they are picking up?
BeemerFanatic said:
They gonna be diagnosing till the cows come home. Their equipment is to pick up errors for diagnostics. They are not in the tuning game and can't see what's in the map. All they can check for is errors
Kal23 said:
Well it cant be detected so how is that irresponsible? There's multiple people on this forum that have experienced this. I don't expect them to post but they on here
Sherwyn.. i cant tell you what they look for but the info they need is probably in FASTA data if they know what to look for. Any mods on my M3 will be a risk of voiding the valuable Motorplan....didn't spend over a Million on a car to put a 10k tune on it and risk halving it's value. But dont get me wrong, I'm not knocking your business .... If my car didn't have Motorplan you'd probably be the first guy I'd call to tune it, your numbers are impressive. Just want guys to be weary that there are risks.
To quote another forum post...
"Bottom line, unless the tuner gives you a guarantee in writing that it is "undetectable" and guarantees to reimburse you for any repair denied due to a tune, I'd assume you are driving a vehicle that is no longer under warranty."
To quote another forum post...
"Bottom line, unless the tuner gives you a guarantee in writing that it is "undetectable" and guarantees to reimburse you for any repair denied due to a tune, I'd assume you are driving a vehicle that is no longer under warranty."
QikNish said:
No a flash does not show in FASTA & never has. Exceeding certain parameters like rev or speed limiter shows in FASTA. A flash shows nowhere.
BeemerFanatic
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Is this Bootmod3 flash or a custom one? Does this involve dme removal and bench flashing or via OBD port?
yush1 said:
True. But this entire saga stinks of fraud.
Tuner promises high and low it's undetectable as to not void your warranty/motorplan - stinks of trying to defraud the manufacturer (helping someone steal is still being part of a crime)
You do xxx to your car because you believe that you won't get caught and if your tuner screwed up the manufacturer will pickup the tab - blatant fraud.
Lastly some boitie from South Africa is smarter than a bunch of engineers that designed the thing not to mention countless tuners in the rest of the word, while not impossible statistically that happening is slim.
Kal23 said:
Yes I am
Rotinaj said:
Hi there. The ECU is made by Bosch, not BMW.
Also it's not just me thats undetectable. Most of the industry use the same protocols and are not detectable. I don't know if this is your guys field or how you can preach with such an ignorant brain. What exactly will a Bosch calibration engineer detect. Please im waiting for an answer this whole thread.
Rotinaj said:
What exactly are we, or anyone that modifies any car, stealing? Is a piggyback also stealing, cos that's also modifying. Is changing your tyres to stickier tyres and then breaking a sideshaft also stealing. Is lowering your car stealing because BMW don't allow that as well but yet we dont tell then we lower our cars.
Rotinaj said:
Ok, what exactly we stealing buddy? Gold?
None of our cars failed buddy. In order for there to be fraud, there would have a fraudulent claim, would there not? Show me which car engine failed as a result of my tuning and resulted in a fraudulent claim? Let me give you brain some info to the contrary actually. I was contracted by 3 OEM's to fix maps on certain models for our conditions.
1. Mini for the superknock on certain models. I did 4 cars for a dealership & I got paid by BMW. Loads of these mini's had their engine replaced and the updates from BMW were not working. Very simple to eliminate knock in a map, by just retarding the ignition timing. You lose 5-10kW but you save BMW hundreds of thousands in engine claims per car.
2. Audi A4 1.8T 140kW. The infamous pinging model. Did around 7 cars before Audi released an update to fix it. But Audi lost a lot of ground in those few months where all those cars were pinging.
3. Hyundai Veloster Turbo. When they were releases, all the cars had a major flatspot at the onset of boost. This was logged with Hyundai and escalated. The Koreans said they would send a a technical team down to evaluate and make changes to mapping for African conditions, but it would take 3-4 months to do. In that period I fixed 11 cars for them and once again the checque came directly from Hyundai.
What's my point? Mapping a car doesn't mean it's gonna fail. It actually makes the engine more efficient. A map is released by an OEM to run in a large range of variables. From Death valley California with 55deg heat to Siberia with -55 deg heat. from 81 to 101 fuel. Various barometric pressure conditions.
If you car is running in a certain set of variables like Johannesburg with 95 RON, then all that "Fat" built into the map can be eliminated. It can be mapped for your conditions, your fuel, your variables with al the safety measures still in place. There's no fraud here, we actually making the car run better. When the car is mapped it's mapped very conservatively with horsepower and other efficiencies left on the table.
1. Mini for the superknock on certain models. I did 4 cars for a dealership & I got paid by BMW. Loads of these mini's had their engine replaced and the updates from BMW were not working. Very simple to eliminate knock in a map, by just retarding the ignition timing. You lose 5-10kW but you save BMW hundreds of thousands in engine claims per car.
2. Audi A4 1.8T 140kW. The infamous pinging model. Did around 7 cars before Audi released an update to fix it. But Audi lost a lot of ground in those few months where all those cars were pinging.
3. Hyundai Veloster Turbo. When they were releases, all the cars had a major flatspot at the onset of boost. This was logged with Hyundai and escalated. The Koreans said they would send a a technical team down to evaluate and make changes to mapping for African conditions, but it would take 3-4 months to do. In that period I fixed 11 cars for them and once again the checque came directly from Hyundai.
What's my point? Mapping a car doesn't mean it's gonna fail. It actually makes the engine more efficient. A map is released by an OEM to run in a large range of variables. From Death valley California with 55deg heat to Siberia with -55 deg heat. from 81 to 101 fuel. Various barometric pressure conditions.
If you car is running in a certain set of variables like Johannesburg with 95 RON, then all that "Fat" built into the map can be eliminated. It can be mapped for your conditions, your fuel, your variables with al the safety measures still in place. There's no fraud here, we actually making the car run better. When the car is mapped it's mapped very conservatively with horsepower and other efficiencies left on the table.
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