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Why won't fanatics leave the M3 alone
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Charlie Brown
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I think the real difference is simply to wait and see how modded X35i are still around in 5 > 7 years ? There is no doubt that the X35i can be modded in the short term to beat the Ms, but I seriously doubt that they'll be to sustain this for years and years, unlike the M's that likely will / can. We all still heaps of old E36 and E46 (older ones) being hammered day in and day out running strong.
The M's are the bench mark not simply because of the KW, but the whole package including suspension, brakes, interior, gearboxes, mounts etc etc. The old adage "the devil is in the detail" holds true and that what makes the "M" the car it is and revered the way it is.
That said for pure bang for the buck, most turbo'd cars offer their owners significant tuning improvements for a relatively low cost. The internal question will be at what cost to long term relaiblity and day to day driving etc.
The debate rages on, and only time will tell, and the honestly of those involved
The M's are the bench mark not simply because of the KW, but the whole package including suspension, brakes, interior, gearboxes, mounts etc etc. The old adage "the devil is in the detail" holds true and that what makes the "M" the car it is and revered the way it is.
That said for pure bang for the buck, most turbo'd cars offer their owners significant tuning improvements for a relatively low cost. The internal question will be at what cost to long term relaiblity and day to day driving etc.
The debate rages on, and only time will tell, and the honestly of those involved
Jerez
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When fans speak of the M3.... It's about what a great track car it is in normal guise.
When taken in the Ring, it's admired for being so well balanced in normal guise.
When you see it on the street , it looks menacing in normal guise.
Other 3 series:
When fans speak of the 335... It's about remapping , changing pipes,replacing brakes, changing suspension ... Fast or not- there's an aspiration to want to beat the big daddy.WHY So ?
The 335 owners keep saying that this discussion has been taken to its limits but if you're comparing a thoroughbred with a wannabe M3 then , accept that your car wasn't developed by M division, accept that time wasn't invested in the 335 as it was with the M3,on a private circuit on the Ring.
I believe that there was a challenge on a track .... This may or may not have been done but I've taken the liberty of posting the Rings top times.
Incidentally , the Mini GP and Renault R beat the 335...
Now these are all stock cars
8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
I know that fans are going to say " if you're happy with yr car then it shouldn't matter whose faster"- "its what you can afford" etc.... But this post was only started because 335 owners somehow think that tuning their cars makes theirs better somehow.
Remember , if its got no bends, it's not a race
When taken in the Ring, it's admired for being so well balanced in normal guise.
When you see it on the street , it looks menacing in normal guise.
Other 3 series:
When fans speak of the 335... It's about remapping , changing pipes,replacing brakes, changing suspension ... Fast or not- there's an aspiration to want to beat the big daddy.WHY So ?
The 335 owners keep saying that this discussion has been taken to its limits but if you're comparing a thoroughbred with a wannabe M3 then , accept that your car wasn't developed by M division, accept that time wasn't invested in the 335 as it was with the M3,on a private circuit on the Ring.
I believe that there was a challenge on a track .... This may or may not have been done but I've taken the liberty of posting the Rings top times.
Incidentally , the Mini GP and Renault R beat the 335...
Now these are all stock cars
8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
I know that fans are going to say " if you're happy with yr car then it shouldn't matter whose faster"- "its what you can afford" etc.... But this post was only started because 335 owners somehow think that tuning their cars makes theirs better somehow.
Remember , if its got no bends, it's not a race
J
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Nic_s
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Josh-ZN said:
+1
This topic has been covered many times and is now boring. You can type out the biggest post of your life and it still won't change the fact that it all comes down to personal choice. Neither of the 2 cars are better than the other IMO as it's a matter of preference.
Moving on...
OppositeLockMT
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revo@Rennzport said:
+1 Who cares. BMW is so much of a benchmark that no other brand could ever compare, which is why people can only find model rivals within its own line-up. :fencelook:
Jerez
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Nic_s said:Josh-ZN said:
+1
This topic has been covered many times and is now boring. You can type out the biggest post of your life and it still won't change the fact that it all comes down to personal choice. Neither of the 2 cars are better than the other IMO as it's a matter of preference.
Moving on...
Now for a bold statement:
No, the M3 is better than the 335 and the sooner the fans can accept this , that's when you will see fewer post such as this one.
It's not about your personal pref-- it's about the stock machines
The 335 is well respected but the M = speed and handling.
OppositeLockMT
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This reminds of the countless DCT vs 6MT threads littered across BimmerPost. All Comes down to what you need, the better car is subjective to an individual's needs and wants. They are both amazing cars, I can't afford to have one right now but I know if it came down to it I would have sleepless nights trying to decide between the two. :argh:Can't we just get along.
Jerez
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Ok, I'm chilled ... Having a refreshing cup of tea and chocolate cake.
Re the DCT and 6MT, mines manual and the only reason for it at the time was that the DCT was a few bob more.
Controlling that clutch and being able to control spin and drone from the performance exhaust is brill and I prefer it to the DCT on normal driving.
NOW, on the track ( I was lucky enough to take Palmer Motorsports car out on Oulton Park).... You just got to have the DCT --- FULL STOP
Your reaction times aren't as fast as BEe EMs Tech. DCT and EDC are essential for the track
Let me take you back to the time you were in a go cart and cornering at speeds, well the M3 is unbelievably glued to the track on stock tyres and suspension- the car only had a roll cage fitted.
Enjoy my vid[video=youtube]
Re the DCT and 6MT, mines manual and the only reason for it at the time was that the DCT was a few bob more.
Controlling that clutch and being able to control spin and drone from the performance exhaust is brill and I prefer it to the DCT on normal driving.
NOW, on the track ( I was lucky enough to take Palmer Motorsports car out on Oulton Park).... You just got to have the DCT --- FULL STOP
Your reaction times aren't as fast as BEe EMs Tech. DCT and EDC are essential for the track
Let me take you back to the time you were in a go cart and cornering at speeds, well the M3 is unbelievably glued to the track on stock tyres and suspension- the car only had a roll cage fitted.
Enjoy my vid[video=youtube]
prospect
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Nic_s said:Josh-ZN said:
+1
This topic has been covered many times and is now boring. You can type out the biggest post of your life and it still won't change the fact that it all comes down to personal choice. Neither of the 2 cars are better than the other IMO as it's a matter of preference.
Moving on...
Nic, I hope your statement ends this boring argument once and for all. If it doesn't then it's safe to say that some people fail to understand that every single human has unique taste, in pretty much everything. No common sense whatsoever!
Jerez
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Perhaps this may bring you out of Hibernation.
Lets agree to disagree on this one :
If you're looking for a fast, straight line " torky" motor and if you're not a nutter, then the 335i/d are the cars for you. After all , just as Audi made the his and hers cars in the "S line " and "Rs" so too did BMW.
The M3 being his, of course.
So, stop being Naive and extremely diplomatic on this one.
335i/d owners REMEMBER;
The 335 is a good car but the M3 is a great car
Lets agree to disagree on this one :
If you're looking for a fast, straight line " torky" motor and if you're not a nutter, then the 335i/d are the cars for you. After all , just as Audi made the his and hers cars in the "S line " and "Rs" so too did BMW.
The M3 being his, of course.
So, stop being Naive and extremely diplomatic on this one.
335i/d owners REMEMBER;
The 335 is a good car but the M3 is a great car
J
Josh-ZN
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jerez you are relentless. :biglol:
if the m3 is as good as you say it should talk for itself.
can we move on now?
if the m3 is as good as you say it should talk for itself.
can we move on now?
Nic_s
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Jerez said:Nic_s said:Josh-ZN said:
+1
This topic has been covered many times and is now boring. You can type out the biggest post of your life and it still won't change the fact that it all comes down to personal choice. Neither of the 2 cars are better than the other IMO as it's a matter of preference.
Moving on...
Now for a bold statement:
No, the M3 is better than the 335 and the sooner the fans can accept this , that's when you will see fewer post such as this one.
It's not about your personal pref-- it's about the stock machines
The 335 is well respected but the M = speed and handling.
There isn't really something like the best car in the world. It IS all about personal preference as would anything else in this world. You think the M3 is the best (Or at least better than the 335), but someone else doesn't 'cos they like what they get from their car more than what they get from an M3 (or any other car for that matter). Sure, in the real world a stock M3 would be faster than a stock 335i, but that doesn't automatically make it better.
This is a tedious and pointless discussion because your arguing about something you think is better on the bases that it's made better. In that case you should have no problem in agreeing that the Audi R8 V10 is better than the M3 'cos it's faster, better made and more expensive.
This has been discussed a lot around the world and I can guarantee none of those discussions got to any sort of point. Time to let this one go already so we can start to focus on proper threads again...
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