discussion What would you do

JamesX7 M60i

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:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: You okes make me laugh i need that now actually. I was on the road today and was pretty close to BMW so I decided to make a quick turn there to see if I could catch "the Germans" while they busy with the car, but they had already left stripped the car and on their way back. Best of it all is i must now wait again for them to do another F@cking report and then they will give me an idea of what they will do next. But in the meantime MOISA has sent BMW SA a letter stating they have 10 working days to reply to my request of give the money back or replace.
 

JamesX7 M60i

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Also not forgetting it literally caught fire 🤦🏽‍♂️
That is now. it also went in 6 October 2023 and I only got it back 7 November 2023 and i struggled to get a mobility vehicle because I drove it to the dealer with an issue and did not use BMW SOS button, but service advisor told me to bring it in.
 

momoPike

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That is now. it also went in 6 October 2023 and I only got it back 7 November 2023 and i struggled to get a mobility vehicle because I drove it to the dealer with an issue and did not use BMW SOS button, but service advisor told me to bring it in.
Wait you don't get a mobility vehicle if you don't use BMW SOS?

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JamesX7 M60i

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Yup. They eventually gave me an Avis rental for 5 days to het home we were in Cape Town and had to get back to Jozi with a trailer! It was a nightmare to get that done.
 

JamesX7 M60i

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I first phoned Ombudsman (Rude B@stards). Ombudsman got a reply from BMW SA and the complaint went back into the que. I was told to call back in a months time to get an update. I then phoned BMW SA and there I was told that apparently they had been asked to get a similar spec car to what i had and send the numbers to BMW finance, what they meant with this could not be explained so I really still don't really know what is going on. Going to try BMW SA again tomorrow hopefully I can get a real answer from them, but wow an experience this has been.
 

Spanky

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I first phoned Ombudsman (Rude B@stards). Ombudsman got a reply from BMW SA and the complaint went back into the que. I was told to call back in a months time to get an update. I then phoned BMW SA and there I was told that apparently they had been asked to get a similar spec car to what i had and send the numbers to BMW finance, what they meant with this could not be explained so I really still don't really know what is going on. Going to try BMW SA again tomorrow hopefully I can get a real answer from them, but wow an experience this has been.

Crazy showing on a brand new car from BMW.

So many moving to Porsche makes a lot of sense at this point - similar money, much better service and (if we're honest with ourselves), better cars.
 

jld010

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Crazy showing on a brand new car from BMW.

So many moving to Porsche makes a lot of sense at this point - similar money, much better service and (if we're honest with ourselves), better cars.
How are Porsche, better cars? Maybe in the past...yes and some of their elite 911s are untouchable..but for the most part..BMW are right their with them.. like for like.
 

TBP88

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How are Porsche, better cars? Maybe in the past...yes and some of their elite 911s are untouchable..but for the most part..BMW are right their with them.. like for like.
I'm (obviously) biased, but for the same money I can't think of any BMW I'd have over the equivalent Porsche at this point. *maybe* the new M3 touring - if you like the look, it offers something few other brands can (it's far faster than an RS4 for instance).

@OP, the MIOSA is almost wholly useless and will take *months* to deal with your case. At this point it might be worth getting proper legal representation. It's clear BMWSA won't take you seriously unless you actually get a legal letter drafted.
 

GravityLee

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@OP, the MIOSA is almost wholly useless and will take *months* to deal with your case. At this point it might be worth getting proper legal representation. It's clear BMWSA won't take you seriously unless you actually get a legal letter drafted.
Like I said in one of the posts, it’s the only way to deal with this. Consumer protection is completely toothless in SA, and from BMW POV it’s a plain numbers game.
 

JamesX7 M60i

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Crazy showing on a brand new car from BMW.

So many moving to Porsche makes a lot of sense at this point - similar money, much better service and (if we're honest with ourselves), better cars.
To be honest we did not even think Porsche, I was looking at Q8 as I was in an A7 at that stage and really liked the Audi, but SO wanted the BMW. I am a Porsche fan but we ran out of budget when it came to same spec BMW vs Porsche. I had the older Touareg and that was amazing drove it to 330 000km and over looked that one as VW SA don't bring in the R version.
 

JamesX7 M60i

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I'm (obviously) biased, but for the same money I can't think of any BMW I'd have over the equivalent Porsche at this point. *maybe* the new M3 touring - if you like the look, it offers something few other brands can (it's far faster than an RS4 for instance).

@OP, the MIOSA is almost wholly useless and will take *months* to deal with your case. At this point it might be worth getting proper legal representation. It's clear BMWSA won't take you seriously unless you actually get a legal letter drafted.
I like the M3 Touring and RS4 and RS6 also but needed to get SUV. We sold the SO Disco 4 and my A7, SO needed something smaller for school run so I would get SUV as family travel car and only space for 2 cars in the garage and one space outside for daddies toy (GC8 Scooby)

BMW Fourways have been tasked to get a replacement so i will wait for what the offer me and see if I can just walk away Happy.
 

JamesX7 M60i

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Like I said in one of the posts, it’s the only way to deal with this. Consumer protection is completely toothless in SA, and from BMW POV it’s a plain numbers game.
You right, every time they open their traps its BMW finance this and BMW finance that. Looking how they can get away without any loss. I know you always loose buying a car like this I accept that, but not like this, you hope to get at least 5 years or 100k km out it.
 

TBP88

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I like the M3 Touring and RS4 and RS6 also but needed to get SUV. We sold the SO Disco 4 and my A7, SO needed something smaller for school run so I would get SUV as family travel car and only space for 2 cars in the garage and one space outside for daddies toy (GC8 Scooby)

BMW Fourways have been tasked to get a replacement so i will wait for what the offer me and see if I can just walk away Happy.
@OP, just be prepared to get legal representation, don't necessarily start the process, but mentally ready yourself for them to try to screw you (not that they already haven't screwed you when they sent you a car that caught alight).

In terms of the brands, TBH I can't tell much difference or what would make one choose a BMW/Porsche/Audi/Merc SUV - they're much of a muchness, all of them feel quality and it'd come down to looks and price more than anything if I was shopping in the segment.

Good luck with this though - sorry you've had this run around, I think we can all relate in some way or another to being screwed around, be it with cars or some other business.
 

JamesX7 M60i

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@OP, just be prepared to get legal representation, don't necessarily start the process, but mentally ready yourself for them to try to screw you (not that they already haven't screwed you when they sent you a car that caught alight).

In terms of the brands, TBH I can't tell much difference or what would make one choose a BMW/Porsche/Audi/Merc SUV - they're much of a muchness, all of them feel quality and it'd come down to looks and price more than anything if I was shopping in the segment.

Good luck with this though - sorry you've had this run around, I think we can all relate in some way or another to being screwed around, be it with cars or some other business.
I am def prepared for going legal if need be. Have been ready from when it broke the last time, I knew this was going to be a battle as I was not prepared to accept this car back.

Thanks been a kek one this. Thought by going on my FIL and my moms own experience with BMW it was a good choice but it seems they not the BMW they were years ago. At least the service we got back then is def not what you get now.
 

TurboLlew

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I am def prepared for going legal if need be. Have been ready from when it broke the last time, I knew this was going to be a battle as I was not prepared to accept this car back.

Thanks been a kek one this. Thought by going on my FIL and my moms own experience with BMW it was a good choice but it seems they not the BMW they were years ago. At least the service we got back then is def not what you get now.

Unfortunately this goes for every brand these days. Mercedes is HORRIBLE (despite the dealership staff trying their best). With Alfa my only trusted guy is now in New Zealand having 'officially' moved. Personal relationships with trusted staff is all we can count on.

From a competence perspective MANY of the skilled techs have left. There was a guy who fitted my M Performance Suspension at Midrand (Michael) who I had full confidence in. Took measurements meticulously, took care in fitting, advised on the hardware changes etc... The last visit I had, the tech had never even seen one of these fitted to the car before. Same for Alfa - the techs I've had the past 3 years have all been different because they have ALL left to Canada and Australia/NZ. JSN I haven't been back to since Shaun left to (wait for it) NEW ZEALAND LOL

From a corporate perspective, the BMW of old is gone when it comes to motorplan claims and that warm feeling of 'support' no matter what happens (partially because of owner's bad behaviour in claiming and probably also partially modeling themselves on Merc/Audi etc processes). Unfortunately the rest of us are paying the price for this. Every claim starts with the bare minimum... even when they know that eventually they will end up doing a whole host of other related things. This is EXACTLY how Merc has operated for years. They will not even service the car a week or two (or 1000/1500km) earlier if it is in for an unrelated claim - they would rather have the customer drive in again because policy is that the car must be within a certain mileage or date range. There is no respect or appreciation for the time of the customer.

I think also in general the world is now run by accountants and lawyers advised by clueless large consulting firms that sell something to one company (be it strategies, client service models, process best practice etc), in one territory and then replicate it as 'best practice' before it has even worked. The FOMO kicks in thinking "OMG Merc is doing this we are going to be left behind" or "Audi is doing this so we are leaving money on the table" and suddenly whole industries and functions are changed for the worse as the differentiators are lost between brands. I think most of us have experienced this phenomenon of fresh grads who have never run an actual business telling us what we should be doing without proper context or understanding of the complexity (or consequences) in implementation... Huge chunk of loyalty and goodwill lost to save a few rands. Even if staff want to help, I feel like they can't these days because of some overarching process or control in place around service. Most thinking people would understand it is not always about the immediate cost in front of you and make balanced decisions... I experienced it with Merc and now as I say BMW is headed in EXACTLY that direction in terms of how they are handling even basic claims.

After your experience (and reading reddit/forum posts about current gen X5s) they should be terrified about keeping their reputation intact. I doubt any of us will trust a new X5 anytime soon.
 

JamesX7 M60i

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Yup. Young gun comes in makes massive changes and stuffs up years of reputation in a few months and then buggers off to next company to stuff it up too.
 

TBP88

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Unfortunately this goes for every brand these days. Mercedes is HORRIBLE (despite the dealership staff trying their best). With Alfa my only trusted guy is now in New Zealand having 'officially' moved. Personal relationships with trusted staff is all we can count on.

From a competence perspective MANY of the skilled techs have left. There was a guy who fitted my M Performance Suspension at Midrand (Michael) who I had full confidence in. Took measurements meticulously, took care in fitting, advised on the hardware changes etc... The last visit I had, the tech had never even seen one of these fitted to the car before. Same for Alfa - the techs I've had the past 3 years have all been different because they have ALL left to Canada and Australia/NZ. JSN I haven't been back to since Shaun left to (wait for it) NEW ZEALAND LOL

From a corporate perspective, the BMW of old is gone when it comes to motorplan claims and that warm feeling of 'support' no matter what happens (partially because of owner's bad behaviour in claiming and probably also partially modeling themselves on Merc/Audi etc processes). Unfortunately the rest of us are paying the price for this. Every claim starts with the bare minimum... even when they know that eventually they will end up doing a whole host of other related things. This is EXACTLY how Merc has operated for years. They will not even service the car a week or two (or 1000/1500km) earlier if it is in for an unrelated claim - they would rather have the customer drive in again because policy is that the car must be within a certain mileage or date range. There is no respect or appreciation for the time of the customer.

I think also in general the world is now run by accountants and lawyers advised by clueless large consulting firms that sell something to one company (be it strategies, client service models, process best practice etc), in one territory and then replicate it as 'best practice' before it has even worked. The FOMO kicks in thinking "OMG Merc is doing this we are going to be left behind" or "Audi is doing this so we are leaving money on the table" and suddenly whole industries and functions are changed for the worse as the differentiators are lost between brands. I think most of us have experienced this phenomenon of fresh grads who have never run an actual business telling us what we should be doing without proper context or understanding of the complexity (or consequences) in implementation... Huge chunk of loyalty and goodwill lost to save a few rands. Even if staff want to help, I feel like they can't these days because of some overarching process or control in place around service. Most thinking people would understand it is not always about the immediate cost in front of you and make balanced decisions... I experienced it with Merc and now as I say BMW is headed in EXACTLY that direction in terms of how they are handling even basic claims.

After your experience (and reading reddit/forum posts about current gen X5s) they should be terrified about keeping their reputation intact. I doubt any of us will trust a new X5 anytime soon.
To be fair to BMW there's also a "what the hell did you expect".

As soon as you go turbo with your sportscars you open it to heavy modding with such ease. Increasing boost is literally a login and some slider adjustments in software. BMW Had little choice with S54 era engines but to just replace any time they spun bearings under plan because nobody bothered to do any extensive modding on the cars.

But ja, owners modding, flashing ecu's back and taking in ruined cars obviously is the result. Now we have such detailed ECU tracking that god only knows what BMW (and all of them really!) can tell about your driving! Every over rev has been tracked on porsche ecu's for at least 15yrs at this point, so by now they're likely tracking even more granular detail to deny warrantee claims.

I've chatted elsewhere how poorly treated myself and my partner felt at merc, suffice is to say I doubt I'd ever buy a product from them in my life after that (and certainly not at the century city branch lol). As the cars increase in complexity the reality is that they also increase in failure points. Whereas we all laugh about S54s spinning bearings, how many different failure points does a modern, high tech automatic, turbocharged (potentially with hybridity?!) car have? at the very least an order of magnitude higher than what we saw from cars of the mid 00s.

Again, OP, if they're saying things about BMW finance to you - I'd imagine they're prepping up to shaft you. CPA has a defined time limit, make sure they're not dragging feet to get to a point where CPA doesn't apply. This hasn't been a 5minute saga- it's already been months.
 
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