Water/Meth Injection Installed

[nsaneM3]

howzit guys, the map on Kruzos car works perfectly with a 50/50 mix, he can however run 100% meth if he wants to yield maximum power out of the map, which is not an aggressive map....boost was not changed from the previous map, just a few small tweaks, we can however tune further for 100% meth and extrack more power, this map can be used for race days for customers seeking a little extra performance.....Preggie the brains behind the tuning always ensures that everything is kept within safe bounds, hence we do alot of logs to ensure that is running 100%.

we have not had any issues with lamdas yet, the FRC SEAT has been running the new hfs 2 for a while as a test to ensure the kit works 100% and according to our requests....

Mr Kruzo , your car is a beast, and the power gains were impressive with just a few small changes....it was a pleasure working on your pride and joy.....:thumbsup: maybe u should post the dyno graph, all the gains were at the higher rpms.....

 

[Twinz]

Please Note:
1. This could have been a very informative thread but unfortunately is product and service advertising.
2. I have requested the administrators to delete this thread since it is infringing on the advertising right of paying vendors on this forum.

 

[freerider]

i've spoken to Preggie from FRC, this thread will be left open.

Watch this space for further details.

 

[20VT]

@ George its true that methanol is a dangerous chemical and its use is to be done with the necessary precautions

We have found that direct injection engines tend to be happier with more methanol than water.

Water injection systems have been around for many years and in a country like SA where fuel quality is poor and ambient temperatures high its a good band-aid

Band-aid cos it fixes the syptom and not the cause i.e. poor octane / cooling

Its advisable never to tune for WI without have some fail-safe in place e.g. a automatic switch off of the system if the level reaches a minimum point or putting the car into "limp" mode

 

[George Smooth]

@ George its true that methanol is a dangerous chemical and its use is to be done with the necessary precautions

We have found that direct injection engines tend to be happier with more methanol than water.

Water injection systems have been around for many years and in a country like SA where fuel quality is poor and ambient temperatures high its a good band-aid

Band-aid cos it fixes the syptom and not the cause i.e. poor octane / cooling

Its advisable never to tune for WI without have some fail-safe in place e.g. a automatic switch off of the system if the level reaches a minimum point or putting the car into "limp" mode

Hi, I think you misinterpreted by what I meant in terms of it being dangerous. I did not even take the engine tuning into account but more the fact that you driving around with it @ 100% in your front fender. So out of a safety aspect I would rather sacrifice a little with a safer mix especially since the car is not running a meth specific map.

 

[20VT]

Hi, I think you misinterpreted by what I meant in terms of it being dangerous. I did not even take the engine tuning into account but more the fact that you driving around with it @ 100% in your front fender. So out of a safety aspect I would rather sacrifice a little with a safer mix especially since the car is not running a meth specific map.

Nope I understood exactly what you meant

For those that are unaware methanol burns without a flame so if for whatever reason it catches alight its difficult to know its burning (although highly unlikely that this will happen)

Also its a carcigen

Never mind the possible issues with running it in an engine

Without a doubt water is 100% safer but methanol has a lot of benefits for these motors.

 

[50/50]

320whp is what we aiming for next week.

Which FMIC are you installing ?`

320 WHP is strong dude:thumb:
Ask 20VT :thumbsup:

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Kruzo if I can give you some advice try and run the car on a daily basis at a lower than 50% mix for safety purposes. The boiling point of methanol is around 80degrees and if heaven forbid you where involved in a front end the car will most probably catch fire immediately. Methanol flames are clear so you will not even know the car is on fire. If you survive the fire your insurance will most certainly not pay out once they discover the cause of the fire.

Smoothie spks the truth dude:cursin:

 

[Rascal69]

interesting....

Well done frc guys... the figures are looking good... :thumbsup:

 

[Twinz]

Now that Freerider has dealt with forum protocol let me make a couple of comments:

1. First well done with your power gains.:thumbsup:

2. Rennzport has been promoting the BMS & Coolingmist meth kit for many months. I first installed the kit in October 2009 and has been running with our Meth kit without any trouble since then. You can find my complete review link here:

http://www.bmwfanatics.co.za/showthread.php?tid=5453

3. The warning by George Smooth should be taken very seriously. Meth is extremely flamable. In my thread i emphasised that the Meth mod is the best mod that you can consider for your twin turbo or NA car BUT that it is for the experienced enthusiast. The potential for something to go very wrong definitely exist.

4. Your post does not explain what failsafe is in place to control & monitor the flow of meth and what checkvalve you use & if it has a built in filter and flow sensor etc...The use of a gauge or the tune to control meth flow is also not mentioned in your review....and if anything were to go wrong would your meth continue to flow or is your failsafe adequate to simply stop flow at that point?

5. Having your meth tank under the engine hood is NOT a good idea:nono:...for reasons already mentioned in this thread. My suggestion is that you rather wait until you can purchase a 1.5 galon or larger tank and place it in the boot of the car where it belongs. Running 100% meth all the time is also not a good idea....for no reason other than the fact that it is so flamable. I started with a 50/50 mix dilute but now run 80% meth.

6. Rennzport can provide you with a tank for the boot as well as the CMGS gauge which is a brilliant failsafe currently on the market.

I agree with you that the car feels great with meth and very responsive and strong at higher rpms. Enjoy the mod but consider our comments. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[BMW_Parts]

Anyone know where I can buy meth from :dunno:

Your best bet if you are in GP is Triangle Solvents in Germiston, they are at the end of brammer rd. opposite the sasol depot.

 

[anile8-zn]

Water meth is an art to setup . There are formulas and measures to aid you

 

[George Smooth]

Another benefit of methanol that we haven't touched on this thread is that it washes oil buildup on the valves. Something all DI engines are plagued with.

Kruzo if you in the Pretoria area and 20L are too much for you I am willing to take 10L of you. How fast are you consuming the meth?

 

[Kruzo]

Hi Guys,

Now that the "politics" are over, lets continue our discussions.

@Twinz, thanks for the info. After further reading, I will be making the following changes:

Add meth/water tank to boot.

Will be using less meth for everday use and will be installing the gauge for better monitoring.

@George, Got 25l meth from Triangle. You are more than welcome to take 10l. PM me

 

[Matt Q]

Also try and have some sort of float switch that cuts the meth map when the tank falls below a certain level and a nice bright LED in the car which comes on progressively with the meth.. I found it super useful to have the awareness of this light burning whilst feeling the pull increase... these visual / stimulus aids are much better than gauges and numbers as they portray an overall "car feeling" which I tend to find way more accurate

Adding 1000% to the safety warnings up front but remember this... if you put meth in the boot, keep the mix low.. Twinz if you are boot mounted and going to 80% be careful... remember that the advantage with going in the engine bay (Like the HPF setup) is that in the event of a collision you still have the protection of the car's firewall between the engine and you.. something not existing in the boot for obvious reasons.. provided that the tank you use is well constructed (DUK PLASTIC!!!! NOT METAL) it should survive all but the most hectic of crashes...

I had the boot mounted AA setup but I must say... the idea of a taxi ramming into the back of my car and dumping the meth tank on my kids in the back seat always worried me..

 

[Twinz]

Also try and have some sort of float switch that cuts the meth map when the tank falls below a certain level and a nice bright LED in the car which comes on progressively with the meth..

Yes, the CMGS gauge does this and the tank has a float switch that warns you on the gauge if meth flow is too low.

... provided that the tank you use is well constructed (DUK PLASTIC!!!! NOT METAL) it should survive all but the most hectic of crashes...

The tank is of the best construction and the checkvalve is attached to the tank. The chances of an impact in the engine bay is more risky....

 

[Matt Q]

This one is also good

http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/

 

[20VT]

The FRC system comes with a low-level switch that brings up a warning light on the tri-coloured power switch.

Its possible to upgrade the system to HFS-3 with a full guage showing methanol flow and it has an output that is triggered when there is problem with the system i.e. can put the car into limp mode if water injection system has any fault or level is low

 

[George Smooth]

i.e. can put the car into limp mode if water injection system has any fault or level is low

This is what I am planning to do. Just thinking what fault to trigger when there is no flow. Although I am not going to run a meth specific tune it would be a added safety.

 

[20VT]

I would use the output to make the N75 valves open circuit that would be the same limp mode as the DME would do

 

[*ace*]

Hey Kruzo, we must meet up soon again for a ride then some gin. lol
PS: Your car looks wild bro :thumbsup: