The infamous E36 M3 with 7136km .. now with pics

[KarshS]

I killed Santa OK, cause he insulted my wife!!!!!

...he saw my wife and said: "HO HO HO!!!!!" :mmm:

:biglol: is that why you killed the Easter Bunny aswell? He asked if she wants his eggs?

 

[UpNcOmiNg!]

...what about other components, like the brake lines, seals, gaskets, rubbers, pipes...???

Even these won't degrade unless the fluid inside becomes corrosive.
Other than that, think about how temperature controlled a garage normally is, no temp extremes to affect the lines, nor is there any flex in the systems to cause undue wear and tear.
Internally, things like fuel lines and possibly brake lines due to a lack of movement in the system is a huge maybe.

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Start the car, pump the brakes, depress the clutch a couple times and you sorted.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

...what about other components, like the brake lines, seals, gaskets, rubbers, pipes...???

Even these won't degrade unless the fluid inside becomes corrosive.
Other than that, think about how temperature controlled a garage normally is, no temp extremes to affect the lines, nor is there any flex in the systems to cause undue wear and tear.
Internally, things like fuel lines and possibly brake lines due to a lack of movement in the system is a huge maybe.

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Start the car, pump the brakes, depress the clutch a couple times and you sorted.

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:+1:

 

[Fuzz@tinyNET]

No - the point is that with an engine with low mileage, and high age, that is designed to be driven and not stored, the degradation on parts due to periods of spending time idle is a lot more prevalent than in a car that is used.

There is only 1 part on a car where this is true. - Tyres

The rest I dont agree.

Tell me how do bearings, valves, sleeves, rings, camlobes, synchros, clutches, seat bolsters, leather degrade when they are not used and standing in a closed garage? Assuming the car was not abandoned on the beach for 20 years

Unless the car is parked in a controlled and monitored environment, away from elements, I can believe that. However even in a garage, there is still risk of degradation, provided that a car is designed to be driven and not parked for long periods of time. If that were the case, then I'm sure manufacturers would optimise design for long periods where the car sits without use.

All that's being said here works fine in theory, but in reality, I've yet to see a car that actually runs perfectly after being unused for long periods. Here I'm speaking from experience with both my 325is and the 333i.

So if you can explain why that occurred, then I can believe the argument being put forward...

 

[Fordkoppie]

All things considered.

Whoever buys a 20 year old car (with 10k or 300k) and expect everything to be perfectly new and sealed up without having to spend a cent is a fool

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Here I'm speaking from experience with both my 325is and the 333i.

Do either of them have less than 10k on the clock?

If not, the argument is invalid

 

[Sankekur]

No - the point is that with an engine with low mileage, and high age, that is designed to be driven and not stored, the degradation on parts due to periods of spending time idle is a lot more prevalent than in a car that is used.

Please share the hidden knowledge you have about metals and metallurgy that would validate this statement.

 

[444YYY]

Do you honestly believe cast iron becomes brittle with age when its at a [mostly]constant temp all the time ie. unused?:biglol::roflol:

I suppose you still believe in Santa as well

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If it has fresh liquids in it, there is no reason it wont take as much as all the other beaten up ones still around

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Fordkoppie, your whole argument is wrong, and thats why everyone is disagreeing with you. You forgot to consider the forged (iron) components

 

[Webmaster]

Jeeezz guys c'mon. Sounds like the debate club. Lets just drool over that mint M3, coz everyone here would dream of having her, corroded or not.

 

[akash]

Lets put it this way.

The person that spent R450k on this car, probably pulled the money straight out of his pocket and would probably not be concerned at all about throwing more cash at the car if its needed.

Its a one of a kind especially in SA without doubt.

 

[dvst8]

All things considered.

Whoever buys a 20 year old car (with 10k or 300k) and expect everything to be perfectly new and sealed up without having to spend a cent is a fool

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Here I'm speaking from experience with both my 325is and the 333i.

Do either of them have less than 10k on the clock?

If not, the argument is invalid

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I bought a 92 bmw last year with 40k on the clock, not 10k as u requested . This 92 was obviously garaged most of its life. All rubber and most plastic components are being replaced because of degradation.

So from having 1st hand experience, i say your argument is invalid unless you have had an expereince you can share where the degradation was not the case.

 

[RAArmstrong]

Jeeezz guys c'mon. Sounds like the debate club. Lets just drool over that mint M3, coz everyone here would dream of having her, corroded or not.

This. No need for an argument

 

[Fuzz@tinyNET]

All things considered.

Whoever buys a 20 year old car (with 10k or 300k) and expect everything to be perfectly new and sealed up without having to spend a cent is a fool

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Here I'm speaking from experience with both my 325is and the 333i.

Do either of them have less than 10k on the clock?

If not, the argument is invalid

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Fair - though I still don't believe in cars running perfectly after abnormal use or lack of use in this case...

 

[Fuzz@tinyNET]

No - the point is that with an engine with low mileage, and high age, that is designed to be driven and not stored, the degradation on parts due to periods of spending time idle is a lot more prevalent than in a car that is used.

Please share the hidden knowledge you have about metals and metallurgy that would validate this statement.

Can you disprove my statement at all?

 

[Sankekur]

All things considered.

Whoever buys a 20 year old car (with 10k or 300k) and expect everything to be perfectly new and sealed up without having to spend a cent is a fool

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Here I'm speaking from experience with both my 325is and the 333i.

Do either of them have less than 10k on the clock?

If not, the argument is invalid

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I bought a 92 bmw last year with 40k on the clock, not 10k as u requested . This 92 was obviously garaged most of its life. All rubber and most plastic components are being replaced because of degradation.

So from having 1st hand experience, i say your argument is invalid unless you have had an expereince you can share where the degradation was not the case.

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So you recon the same car if it had say done 400000km the gaskets and plastics would be in better condition?

 

[Drama]

Let's just set this debate aside and agree that if money weren't an issue, we'd all buy this car without thinking. After spending 450k on a one of a kind, I'm sure the owner wouldn't have any trouble spending a bit more to replace any corroded parts/rubbers etc.

I would have loved to buy this car if I had that kinda money lying around. Would have, in a heartbeat! :inlove::inlove::inlove:

 

[Fordkoppie]

All things considered.

Whoever buys a 20 year old car (with 10k or 300k) and expect everything to be perfectly new and sealed up without having to spend a cent is a fool

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Here I'm speaking from experience with both my 325is and the 333i.

Do either of them have less than 10k on the clock?

If not, the argument is invalid

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I bought a 92 bmw last year with 40k on the clock, not 10k as u requested but still less than the kms on this M3. This 92 was obviously garaged most of its life. All rubber and most plastic components are being replaced because of degradation.

So from having 1st hand experience, i say your argument is invalid unless you have had an expereince you can share where the degradation was not the case.

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I dont see your point.

You are saying exactly what I said above.

My debate with fuzz is that a lot of the rubbers would have needed replacing in any case. used or not.

It is not as if they would all of a sudden magically last longer because it was used.

And speaking about first hand experience - My very own 1991 M5 had 54k on the clock when I got it in 2011. Now on 61k

So far it needed the following apart from normal servicing:

Shocks
brake master cylinder
clutch master cylinder
V belts
HT leads
and I still have to replace the tyres.

And yes - whenever I take it out for a drive, I will take it up to 7300rpm at least once without fear before parking again.

 

[Sankekur]

No - the point is that with an engine with low mileage, and high age, that is designed to be driven and not stored, the degradation on parts due to periods of spending time idle is a lot more prevalent than in a car that is used.

Please share the hidden knowledge you have about metals and metallurgy that would validate this statement.

Can you disprove my statement at all?

Ok, at least you have made one thing very clear that you know nothing about science.

And yes I can disprove your statement.

 

[dvst8]

All things considered.

Whoever buys a 20 year old car (with 10k or 300k) and expect everything to be perfectly new and sealed up without having to spend a cent is a fool

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Here I'm speaking from experience with both my 325is and the 333i.

Do either of them have less than 10k on the clock?

If not, the argument is invalid

---

I bought a 92 bmw last year with 40k on the clock, not 10k as u requested . This 92 was obviously garaged most of its life. All rubber and most plastic components are being replaced because of degradation.

So from having 1st hand experience, i say your argument is invalid unless you have had an expereince you can share where the degradation was not the case.

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So you recon the same car if it had say done 400000km the gaskets and plastics would be in better condition?

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Im not talking about not did i buy a car witg 400000kms. I mentioned a 22 year old car with 40k kms that suffered degradation which in this thread was said that there will be none.

A car with 400k kms one would expect to have degradation due to use, by your theory my 92 with 40k kms should have no degradation.

 

[UpNcOmiNg!]

Honestly the argument is irrelevant.
Just like most of you guys buying condoms. :roflol: Just had to.

Besides, we all know that the rotator splint and the central torsion load particle cluster beam as well as the iridium core would need maintenance.

 

[Rayzor]

All arguments are circumstantial, if the car was parked for long periods without proper care and service we can assume that its gonna give kak. I have also witness garage queens giving more kak than cars with 500000km on the clock. Its the lack of maintenance that adds to its demise
It all depends on the owner and maintenance/love that was given to the car. :thumbs:
Oil and fuel both deteriorate over time and will cause problems if not replaced regularly :thumbs: