discussion State of SA and Emigration

[Nürburgring'R_ZA]

So, I reverse the car yesterday morning and to my shock as I look at the rear view mirror, the rear windscreen is immensely cracked! Upon inspection, I realise there's a hole in it and a denser crack near to it. I nervously go open one of the rear passenger doors.

As there was a lot of rapid gunfire in the late hours of yesterday night and early hours of this morning, I open the door with my heart in my throat, praying it was not a bullet that caused the hole and damage to the rear windscreen.

To my horror, it indeed was a bullet!

My heart sank so deeply that I got disoriented for a second.

The thoughts of what could have happened had someone been there paralyzed me! The thoughts of what could have happened to my family and pets paralyzed me.

The president's address on Monday evening was really disappointing as it provided little to no immediate solutions, let alone long term ones!

So, coming to the discussion, my spouse and myself have spoken about the possibility of jumping shit out of SA. To be realistic for us though, it's only a dream at this point.
We are still trying to built ourselves up and have acquired some properties along the way and also have a small business but still, we can't afford to get out of SA even if we let go of all our assets. In fact, we're quite far from it.

What we're not far from though is doomsday prepping. Personally, I'm working towards and making sure that my offspring can comfortably leave this country should they wish to. As the adage goes: hope for the best, prepare for the worst. And I fear the worst is yet to come.

Side note; my spouse and I are deeply spiritual and rooted to Africanism so even if moving can come up to be an option, it could surely be a reluctant move. Surely our ancestors will understand😅

 

[npower]

So, I reverse the car yesterday morning and to my shock as I look at the rear view mirror, the rear windscreen is immensely cracked! Upon inspection, I realise there's a hole in it and a denser crack near to it. I nervously go open one of the rear passenger doors.

As there was a lot of rapid gunfire in the late hours of yesterday night and early hours of this morning, I open the door with my heart in my throat, praying it was not a bullet that caused the hole and damage to the rear windscreen.

To my horror, it indeed was a bullet!

My heart sank so deeply that I got disoriented for a second.

The thoughts of what could have happened had someone been there paralyzed me! The thoughts of what could have happened to my family and pets paralyzed me.

The president's address on Monday evening was really disappointing as it provided little to no immediate solutions, let alone long term ones!

So, coming to the discussion, my spouse and myself have spoken about the possibility of jumping shit out of SA. To be realistic for us though, it's only a dream at this point.
We are still trying to built ourselves up and have acquired some properties along the way and also have a small business but still, we can't afford to get out of SA even if we let go of all our assets. In fact, we're quite far from it.

What we're not far from though is doomsday prepping. Personally, I'm working towards and making sure that my offspring can comfortably leave this country should they wish to. As the adage goes: hope for the best, prepare for the worst. And I fear the worst is yet to come.

Side note; my spouse and I are deeply spiritual and rooted to Africanism so even if moving can come up to be an option, it could surely be a reluctant move. Surely our ancestors will understand😅

Glad nobody was hurt or worse, bro

 

[camzm3]

So my wife works is in the industry and deals with emigration to New Zealand and Australia.. And the company is taking on the UK aswel let me tell you this. The Exodus of etreamly wealthy clients and skilled individual's started years ago. With the boarders closed people are still paying daily to get their applications in, in hopes that whem the boarders reopen they can get out as fast as possible.

Ourselves. All set and ready to roll off to NZ as soon as the boarders reopen (est; Feb2022)

Until then just have to ride it out and make the best of this crap.

The reason this country will just keep getting worse is because a lot of the job creators, high level execs, highly skilled teachers, infrastructure boffs, and and are gone. Personally not to sound doom and gloom but what is there to stay for .. tour 8hr work day earns you absolutely nothing compared to first World currency, safety and security is evidently everyman for himself , ect ect we all know this. No need to elaborate.

To those who remain God bless your journey and may it be smooth and prosperous in this beautiful country. (Ruined but beautiful)

 

[Nürburgring'R_ZA]

Glad nobody was hurt or worse, bro

Same here. And thanks!

 

[PaKiMoNSTeR]

Imagine, with all the crap that we have in SA, BMW, Merc, VW, Ford, Nissan and Toyota still make cars here and sell them overseas. The day any of those big players leave SA (remembering that they stayed in SA during both Apartheid and post-1994), that is the day that I will seriously consider packing up (maybe for the UAE...)

This is the point. We work closely with the 1st tier manufacturers to the OEM's and these guys are making investment and setting up new factories for future work and business. There are people a lot smarter and lets say better informed than I am and if these guys still see a future here then there has to be hope. In a similar discussion I had with an MD of one of these companies he made a comment that for each person leaving it creates an opportunity for the rest of us to fill. And this is the way I see things.

As bad as the events of the past week was, it is possibly what was needed for us to come together and take a stand. How united and patriotic has the images not made many South African's of those cleaning up the streets and seeing all races united in picking up the pieces and trying to rebuild. Perhaps it comes down to individual opinion or perspective but do not let a single event, although major, change the bigger picture.

If we all pack up and jump ship who will be left to turn things around for the rest.

 

[TurboLlew]

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[LOW BOOST]

I've seen a lot of good for sure these past few days... but I haven't forgotten about the unaddressed issues that gave us this week's 'sneak preview' into how quickly things can go south and how inept the reaction can be. I think our perspectives are very different on this one

I agree with Llew,

"if you leaves there's an opportunity for another" that statement is dangerous.
I'm not the type of person to watch people throw their toys out the cot and me picking up the pieces anymore.
Did it my whole life, tired of that. Tired of being an enabler.

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[PaKiMoNSTeR]

All valid points. Just had a chat to a good friend of mine in Aus about this as well. I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I have a business that is thriving at the moment and we are growing. I cannot do what I do here in other countries as there I will be a small fish in a big pond. Perhaps my opinion would be different if I was employed, trying to climb the corporate ladder and having to deal with all the BS around that. Fortunately I'm not, but I do think that we needed to hit bottom to realize and perhaps stand up and take ownership to turn things around. I sincerely hope this was bottom and there is not more to come.

 

[TBP88]

The big question going forward is whether Ramaphosa is able to use this moment as an opportunity to take hold firmly and make sure those responsible for the sedition are brought to trial and jailed - the progress on corruption has been slow, this cannot take as long as that - we need to see arrests and soon.

Overall now that we have the benefit of hindsight it seems obvious that the Zuma/RET/whatever you want to call them wing of the ANC would make a last stand. The question is now what next.

My confidence in our country is still shaken though, and I'm sure many others feel the same. I'm certainly not booking a one way ticket out anytime soon, but one does have to seriously consider it, if one can...

 

[TurboLlew]

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[tman]

The big question going forward is whether Ramaphosa is able to use this moment as an opportunity to take hold firmly and make sure those responsible for the sedition are brought to trial and jailed - the progress on corruption has been slow, this cannot take as long as that - we need to see arrests and soon.

Overall now that we have the benefit of hindsight it seems obvious that the Zuma/RET/whatever you want to call them wing of the ANC would make a last stand. The question is now what next.

My confidence in our country is still shaken though, and I'm sure many others feel the same. I'm certainly not booking a one way ticket out anytime soon, but one does have to seriously consider it, if one can...

Ill bet you R2.50 there will be no meaningful convictions of high profile instigators. None

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[LOW BOOST]

Looting will never stop until the last drop off juice is squeezed from the orange.
The elite will leave with their offshore bank accounts and property.
The rest of the foot soldiers will be left with the peel..
What is the peel you may ask..
Hunger, irreparable infrastructure, extreme poverty, hyperinflation. Worthless currency.
We got a taste of this this week.
The money looters made this week, it would be enticing for them to try again.

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[QikNish]

I would leave first chance I got only for my kids sake. If we look at our country over the last 15 years, it's been on a steady decline. Apart from the political instability within the ruling party alone we have Infrastructure failing, tertiary education disruptions, crime, corruption etc and now our slow response to covid.... I don't think there will be much left working properly in 10 or 15 years time?

Sad. Because I love this place. It had / has potential. I've built a successful business here and employ and take care of alot of people. We have a good thing going man. But the leaders aren't playing their part.

I wish we could see a turn around of our situation, fast. Not until first the ANC get their act together. But I doubt it.

Good luck guys, in whatever you do.

 

[evnmopwr]

My Wife is From Mauritius and its been in discussion for a while to relocate to Mauritius.
Company i work for Started doing business in Mauritius so i would get to Keep my job.
But will My salary be able to Cover cost of living there, Dont think so.

The problem is, the love i have for this Beautiful country. .
Leadership in this country will Always be a problem. As Currently, MOST in charge of running this country are stealing.

The way i see it, If South Africa does not get a Proper president to run this country then, regrettably, the only option is to pack up and Gooi.
For now, Stocking up on Ammo is the only buffer i can think of. it currently keeps my anxiety at bay

There is only 1 man in Power of something that i know of that would give everything to the people of this country. and i doubt he will ever be president. But, EVERYONE knows who this man is. I even sent his organization an email begging him to start a political party and try for president. LOL

May god protect us all

 

[zabbo]

My Wife is From Mauritius and its been in discussion for a while to relocate to Mauritius.
Company i work for Started doing business in Mauritius so i would get to Keep my job.
But will My salary be able to Cover cost of living there, Dont think so.

The problem is, the love i have for this Beautiful country. .
Leadership in this country will Always be a problem. As Currently, MOST in charge of running this country are stealing.

The way i see it, If South Africa does not get a Proper president to run this country, then Leaving is, regrettably the only option is to pack up and Gooi.
For now, Stocking up on Ammo is the only buffer i can think of. it currently keeps my anxiety at bay

There is only 1 man in Power of something that i know of that would give everything to the people of this country. and i doubt he will ever be president. But, EVERYONE knows who this man is. I even sent his organization an email begging him to start a political party and try for president. LOL

May god protect us all

#Gift of the Givers !!!

 

[evnmopwr]

#Gift of the Givers !!!

100% accurate!!!

 

[TurboLlew]

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[Twinz]

My confidence in our country is still shaken though, and I'm sure many others feel the same.

So in agreement with you. I have learnt to lower my expectations about the brighness of the future of our country. There was a time when it was very high. We have every reason to be dissilutioned and feel hopeless and even helpless.

We can only continue to remain positive and make our personal contributions to build the economy and protect ourselves, our livelyhoods and our families. Not sure we can do much more.

 

[LOW BOOST]

Toyota threatens to leave Durban

Toyota is concerned about the violence and looting in KwaZulu-Natal and said it is not certain if it can continue to invest in South Africa.

mybroadband.co.za

I they leave, it's our first sign that we should make the move as well.

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[TurboLlew]

Not interested in dealing with this on WA/DMs. Good luck whoever is staying or going. Genuinely.