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[GravityLee]

Various reasons, and it's served me well in the past. I know not everyone agrees, and I don't want to open a debate on motor plan vs no motor plan here. I'm also not against not having one with the right car and going for an extended warranty. I'm sure there are existing treads on this topic

I’ve also never had any issues with MP (in fact I feel that I always got more than my money’s worth), but I’m also quite pleasantly surprised how reasonable it is maintaining a car without plan with a trusted indie and OEM parts from BMW.

Anyway, to answer your question, if MP is critical, my vote goes to M340i. It’s a supremely capable car, and the G20 is light years ahead of the F30 in terms of interior quality and perceived luxury.

 

[Eust]

Countryman JCW

 

[SanM]

If you’re sticking with BMW, and it’s a tough choice, I guess select anything from the list you’ve provided as chances are you’ll be back in the market again in about 2 to 4 years once the plan on that car is about to end 😄

 

[Salt]

If you’re sticking with BMW, and it’s a tough choice, I guess select anything from the list you’ve provided as chances are you’ll be back in the market again in about 2 to 4 years once the plan on that car is about to end 😄

Hahaha you are probably right.

 

[Salt]

Countryman JCW

Looked at a few online today - think I prefer the Clubman though - also slightly faster

 

[Salt]

Yeah Salt needs to decide how much of a deal the practical side is. It's a difficult list of cars (in terms of diversity) to choose from in that it's apples and oranges for the most part. Someone looking at an all-in-one solution will prioritise differently to someone who wants specialised 'function' cars that are much better (and worse) at specific things. The F80 is a hell of a car for the money (even craziness of the current market taken into account).

True - def diverse. I like to give myself options, and then start narrowing it down. For me, the one thing those cars all have in common is that they are all sports/performance cars - some more so than others. But in terms of the performance and how they deliver it plus their practicality and maintenance factors they certainly are oranges and apples. At the end of the day, it needs to make sense financially and practically, but still tick the excitement factor in some way. I do like the M340 guys - the two things that are draw backs for me is the price is just a little more than what I'd like to spend and it just doesn't stand out that much from the rest of the G20 range - I am not knocking it in any way - please current M340 owners - its a GREAT car - I guess one can add a lot of styling bits - as I usually do. Anyway, you guys have certainly given me some food for thought - as always, and I appreciate it - need to do some thinking now! Must say, the Mini JCW is also looking pretty nifty in the Clubman shape.

 

[r0ckf1re]

True - def diverse. I like to give myself options, and then start narrowing it down. For me, the one thing those cars all have in common is that they are all sports/performance cars - some more so than others. But in terms of the performance and how they deliver it plus their practicality and maintenance factors they certainly are oranges and apples. At the end of the day, it needs to make sense financially and practically, but still tick the excitement factor in some way. I do like the M340 guys - the two things that are draw backs for me is the price is just a little more than what I'd like to spend and it just doesn't stand out that much from the rest of the G20 range - I am not knocking it in any way - please current M340 owners - its a GREAT car - I guess one can add a lot of styling bits - as I usually do. Anyway, you guys have certainly given me some food for thought - as always, and I appreciate it - need to do some thinking now! Must say, the Mini JCW is also looking pretty nifty in the Clubman shape.

Go test drive the Clubman JCW. It’s such a nice car inside as well. Love the cabin of the Mini, lights and switches, centre display all looks Awsome. I won’t mind a mini, even a cooper S would do for my needs. I have been toying with the idea of one


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[Eust]

Looked at a few online today - think I prefer the Clubman though - also slightly faster

Yeah either or.
Decent car for the money, especially this Clubman JCW

 

[M3boi]

Ja, 100% agree, I just think the 1M, like 325is and 333i and E46M3CSL has transcended it's value as a driving proposition and become an investor car.
Sadly that means even the crappier ones become wildly expensive and the good ones become insane. Of course these dichotomy's are relatively limited, but in general terms they still serve as a pretty good mnemonic in broad terms. A manual M2 is almost certainly a more engaging drive (which is how I interpret the "analogue") than a new RS3 with it's variant of autobox.

On the M2 (comp and original) they didn't even do individual as an option, 0 colours, interior was basically "this is it". At the prices they charged for the car new, that simply wasn't what I wanted.

I think in total there were 5 or 6 colour options for the M2. The M2comp would have looked unbelievable in green. The only way to get there is with a wrap (google that shape in a green wrap, looks amazing!).

Perfection. We need to convince Jason to do it.

 

[jld010]

True - def diverse. I like to give myself options, and then start narrowing it down. For me, the one thing those cars all have in common is that they are all sports/performance cars - some more so than others. But in terms of the performance and how they deliver it plus their practicality and maintenance factors they certainly are oranges and apples. At the end of the day, it needs to make sense financially and practically, but still tick the excitement factor in some way. I do like the M340 guys - the two things that are draw backs for me is the price is just a little more than what I'd like to spend and it just doesn't stand out that much from the rest of the G20 range - I am not knocking it in any way - please current M340 owners - its a GREAT car - I guess one can add a lot of styling bits - as I usually do. Anyway, you guys have certainly given me some food for thought - as always, and I appreciate it - need to do some thinking now! Must say, the Mini JCW is also looking pretty nifty in the Clubman shape.

What's your price range? I had a chance to go 2021 M340 and went with a 2019 F82 instead..and the comparison is not even close..dont let anyone fool you..the M340 is a great daily driver but is a bit meh..nothing special abt it stands out..and this ofc is by design.. If you leaning towards M340..go F8x..upper 900s low bar for a decent spec one..but this is the same for a M340..

 

[TBP88]

Everyone here is ignoring that OP has stated that Mplan is crucial to him. I get that the Audis are boring by comparison, but the truth is 10yrs of plan (potentially) cannot be scoffed at... Most of the BMWs being mentioned are close to or in some cases already over 5yrs old. That means op gets 2yrs, maybe 3 before he's back again?
In that case it also comes down to you OP, you say plan is crucial, if so, is this car something you want to keep longer term? If not then yes, get an M2 comp. It's usable enough, it's faster than anything any rational mind could need, it looks amazing and at 2nd hand prices (assuming you can squeeze a bit) it's pretty well priced. If you get a manual one, even better. It won't depreciate as badly and if you turn out to love it and keep it for a decade+ it'll be worth something assuming you keep it in neat nick.

Perfection. We need to convince Jason to do it.

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Yeah, this looks like oak green? Can even go lighter and it still looks good. Just such a good shape - imagine a purple? Imagine all the possibilities. BMW said no, white, black, silver, blue are your choices.

 

[M3boi]

Yeah, this looks like oak green? Can even go lighter and it still looks good. Just such a good shape - imagine a purple? Imagine all the possibilities. BMW said no, white, black, silver, blue are your choices.

Its Inozetek Midnight Green IIRC. So good.

 

[AshG108]

My pick - M340i for the perfectly balanced car for a daily, and some brutal fun when wanted. Try convince Karsh to sell his again - absolute deal of note!

The the M2Comp - that is a rocket of note, maybe 2 door hinderance but your kids are older but they will be easier around that config. - Try get Rish to sell his, its mint...one lady driver...not raced...not spun ... aircon blows ice cold ha ha ha!

 

[TurboLlew]

Ultimately it boils down to what mix of factors makes it affordable and psychologically palatable. Owning an M out of plan if you can barely (or can't really) afford it to begin with is very different to being worried about eg: a 320d out of motorplan - having a blanket "I need motorplan" criteria tells me the safety net is important at least until the car is paid up. IMHO once you have gotten used to paying installments of a R1M or 1.5M thing then maintenance out of plan is going to just require you to continue making those payments for a year or two into your own savings/slush fund for the 'larger' repairs that may come up (and if you follow a proper regimen, they seldom will.).

In a similar vein, if you are just considering upgrading for the sake of having some safety I wouldn't bother... unless you feel like spending R700K delta to avoid a R40K bill that may never even come. Continue saving and pay in as much cash as possible into your upgrade vehicle when the time is right (or make up the difference to push into something worthwhile or something exciting). R1M is not chump change and when a few hundred is staring at you from that fund you will find yourself more picky about what you decide to do with it.

 

[TBP88]

Ultimately it boils down to what mix of factors makes it affordable and psychologically palatable. Owning an M out of plan if you can barely (or can't really) afford it to begin with is very different to being worried about eg: a 320d out of motorplan - having a blanket "I need motorplan" criteria tells me the safety net is important at least until the car is paid up. IMHO once you have gotten used to paying installments of a R1M or 1.5M thing then maintenance out of plan is going to just require you to continue making those payments for a year or two into your own savings/slush fund for the 'larger' repairs that may come up (and if you follow a proper regimen, they seldom will.).

In a similar vein, if you are just considering upgrading for the sake of having some safety I wouldn't bother... unless you feel like spending R700K delta to avoid a R40K bill that may never even come. Continue saving and pay in as much cash as possible into your upgrade vehicle when the time is right (or make up the difference to push into something worthwhile or something exciting). R1M is not chump change and when a few hundred is staring at you from that fund you will find yourself more picky about what you decide to do with it.

Probably a sane way of looking at things. @OP it's hard to know *why* plan is important to you. But as Llew said, if it's just a question of the effective insurance, rather just put some dosh away and then if the rainy day comes you have cash, or you have a fund when the time comes to step into something way higher up the ladder.

 

[SanM]

My pick - M340i for the perfectly balanced car for a daily, and some brutal fun when wanted. Try convince Karsh to sell his again - absolute deal of note!

The the M2Comp - that is a rocket of note, maybe 2 door hinderance but your kids are older but they will be easier around that config. - Try get Rish to sell his, its mint...one lady driver...not raced...not spun ... aircon blows ice cold ha ha ha!

You just know when it says “aircon blows ice cold”, you’re going to sign that OTP

 

[Salt]

Go test drive the Clubman JCW. It’s such a nice car inside as well. Love the cabin of the Mini, lights and switches, centre display all looks Awsome. I won’t mind a mini, even a cooper S would do for my needs. I have been toying with the idea of one


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Something I learnt reading up last night...Mini's don't come with Android Auto - kind of a deal breaker for me. Sweet car though

 

[modocrat]

I wont consider the Clubman JCW to be an 'upgrade' from the M140.

Motorplan wise, the S4 makes all the sense and it sounds damn nice too! Audi's motorplan was actually the deciding factor for me when I replaced my X3 with the Q5. It doesn't completely match up to an X3 but its a great car.

 

[Sabretooth tiger]

I agree with Modocrat that the mini is not an upgrade from the M140i.

How much more will cost be in terms of installments and insurance be to upgrade from the M140i to your other options vs keeping the M140i?
If maintenance out of plan is a concern perhaps look at what preventative maintenance your current car might need and put some money aside for those items and do them bit by bit and enjoy your current car a bit longer till you can upgrade to what your heart desires.

 

[Salt]

Thanks for all the advice I think perhaps we've gone a bit off course here - didn't say I am looking to upgrade - simply considering something newer and with motor plan Any experience with the cars on the list is what I am after - drive quality, performance, livability, known issues/reliability etc. Thanks all!