Savspeed Z4 M Coupe Turbo round 2

[911 boxer]

Guys lets keep the dick swinging and language in check or else I will lock this mofo up. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as they are being courtious about it.


Here is a auto suffering huge losses :bravo:

I meant no disrespect to the mercs,I know that the autos in them are not the most efficient and chow quite a bit of power.Basha at motronics told me that a E92 M3 and a C63 make about the same power stock but I know that you know what you are doing.Here is a dyno of my Z4 at 1.5 bar boost with 105 race gas.Sav saw 608WKW but is scared that his dyno will hit a tilt as the load cell is already at its max so he didn,t take a chance and run it again.My car can rev to 9k with my internals and unlike his other cars my power curve does not drop towards the end.It is running very rich for safety but will be fine tuned for the run.We decided this week to build a full race motor running exotic fuel and will probably be running 3 times the fuel that we are now!Look at VS motor builds to get a idea of how extensive this build will be.THA VALO FOTIA STO DROMO!

He dialed down the torque as it was destroying the clutch and i think that over 900nm@wheels is more accurate.Come on guys,you,ve got to give Sav credit for this!

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Guys lets keep the dick swinging and language in check or else I will lock this mofo up. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as they are being courtious about it.


Here is a auto suffering huge losses :bravo:

I meant no disrespect to the mercs,I know that the autos in them are not the most efficient and chow quite a bit of power.Basha at motronics told me that a E92 M3 and a C63 make about the same power stock but I know that you know what you are doing.Here is a dyno of my Z4 at 1.5 bar boost with 105 race gas.Sav saw 608WKW but is scared that his dyno will hit a tilt as the load cell is already at its max so he didn,t take a chance and run it again.My car can rev to 9k with my internals and unlike his other cars my power curve does not drop towards the end.It is running very rich for safety but will be fine tuned for the run.We decided this week to build a full race motor running exotic fuel and will probably be running 3 times the fuel that we are now!Look at VS motor builds to get a idea of how extensive this build will be.THA VALO FOTIA STO DROMO!

He dialed down the torque as it was destroying the clutch and i think that over 900nm@wheels is more accurate.Come on guys,you,ve got to give Sav credit for this!

This was at 0.9 bar in the beginning when my car was cutting out,look at the torque at 5k and the car was not even mapped yet!

I have now given way to much info!

 

[UberTaner]

Hey 911 - Probably Qba

Question regarding the cutting out: What was the issue and has it been sorted on Sergios z4?

 

[ambroseg1]

and to choose a Savspeed car on top of it is the most stupid thing i have ever heard.

what does choosing a SAVSPEED car have to do with anything?

Are you serious?Have you ever been in a turbo car that Sav has done,even a 325 turbo?Let me put things in perspective a Z4M makes 165-169wkw on Savs conservative dyno,a V8 M3 around 196wkw,a C63 206wkw,a supercharged E92 M3 like Sherwin's just over 300wkw.My friends 328 made 280wkw at just 1bar and will make around [email protected] you getting the picture,these are the entry level cars and do over 200kph on the 1/4mile and around 12 flat with road rubber and well well over 250kph on the kilo!11.2@212-218 1/4mile and 277 on the kilo and that's now ONLY a E36 M3!Now we are moving on to the E46 M3 that flows much better than a E36 M3 and is a lot stronger power wise,and finally my old V8 M3!Its just about done and you will most likely see over 600wkw on high boost very soon!These are the first Z4M and E92 M3 turbo's in the world and I think Sav was also first with the E46 M's!Any of these cars will make more running eth or meth and can also boost more and run safer(not that that's an issue)and cooler.Were you joking when you asked your question?Credit where it is due!

dont give a toss. its a car. with a turbo that somebody fitted. does not make car or that somebody the alpha and omega. Saying negative things about both is therefore not sacrilege.

 

[911 boxer]

Hey 911 - Probably Qba

Question regarding the cutting out: What was the issue and has it been sorted on Sergios z4?

Sergio is a extreme driver and likes going close to 300kph all the time and wants everything working (like the TC)as standard so makes it extremely difficult for Sav to sort out.There are another two Z4 turbos in the world,one hpf car and one in Europe that can't get the cars to run(well over a year)and this was a massive challenge to overcome.All the electronics are linked up together and if one thing reads a fault it shuts everything down so when you turn the boost up on his car the ecu hits limp mode.After a bit of convincing he is taking his car back to Sav to get my cars upgrade and should be sorted in about a week from that.His car is nice and quiet to drive(compared to mine)and is set up as a road car and handless very very well around the track(1:54 around Kyalami).Whoever buys this car will be getting a bargain as he has spent well over 200k on it.

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and to choose a Savspeed car on top of it is the most stupid thing i have ever heard.

what does choosing a SAVSPEED car have to do with anything?

Are you serious?Have you ever been in a turbo car that Sav has done,even a 325 turbo?Let me put things in perspective a Z4M makes 165-169wkw on Savs conservative dyno,a V8 M3 around 196wkw,a C63 206wkw,a supercharged E92 M3 like Sherwin's just over 300wkw.My friends 328 made 280wkw at just 1bar and will make around [email protected] you getting the picture,these are the entry level cars and do over 200kph on the 1/4mile and around 12 flat with road rubber and well well over 250kph on the kilo!11.2@212-218 1/4mile and 277 on the kilo and that's now ONLY a E36 M3!Now we are moving on to the E46 M3 that flows much better than a E36 M3 and is a lot stronger power wise,and finally my old V8 M3!Its just about done and you will most likely see over 600wkw on high boost very soon!These are the first Z4M and E92 M3 turbo's in the world and I think Sav was also first with the E46 M's!Any of these cars will make more running eth or meth and can also boost more and run safer(not that that's an issue)and cooler.Were you joking when you asked your question?Credit where it is due!

dont give a toss. its a car. with a turbo that somebody fitted. does not make car or that somebody the alpha and omega. Saying negative things about both is therefore not sacrilege.

I love okes like thisWe are not worthy,sorry that we have failed you Socrates.Please show us the right path,tell us where we are going wrong please?Your wisdom will be cherished for ever!Seriously!

 

[UberTaner]

Hey 911 - Probably Qba

Question regarding the cutting out: What was the issue and has it been sorted on Sergios z4?

Sergio is a extreme driver and likes going close to 300kph all the time and wants everything working (like the TC)as standard so makes it extremely difficult for Sav to sort out.There are another two Z4 turbos in the world,one hpf car and one in Europe that can't get the cars to run(well over a year)and this was a massive challenge to overcome.All the electronics are linked up together and if one thing reads a fault it shuts everything down so when you turn the boost up on his car the ecu hits limp mode.After a bit of convincing he is taking his car back to Sav to get my cars upgrade and should be sorted in about a week from that.His car is nice and quiet to drive(compared to mine)and is set up as a road car and handless very very well around the track(1:54 around Kyalami).Whoever buys this car will be getting a bargain as he has spent well over 200k on it.

Big ups to Sav for getting this right :thumbs:

So does that mean that your car has some stuff not working as standard in order to get around the software issues (like TC based on your example above)?

 

[extreme-eg]

@911 Turbo

The power figures look good, genuinely interested in what your machine does when it does hit the track/street/strip

 

[911 boxer]

Hey 911 - Probably Qba

Question regarding the cutting out: What was the issue and has it been sorted on Sergios z4?

Sergio is a extreme driver and likes going close to 300kph all the time and wants everything working (like the TC)as standard so makes it extremely difficult for Sav to sort out.There are another two Z4 turbos in the world,one hpf car and one in Europe that can't get the cars to run(well over a year)and this was a massive challenge to overcome.All the electronics are linked up together and if one thing reads a fault it shuts everything down so when you turn the boost up on his car the ecu hits limp mode.After a bit of convincing he is taking his car back to Sav to get my cars upgrade and should be sorted in about a week from that.His car is nice and quiet to drive(compared to mine)and is set up as a road car and handless very very well around the track(1:54 around Kyalami).Whoever buys this car will be getting a bargain as he has spent well over 200k on it.

Big ups to Sav for getting this right :thumbs:

So does that mean that your car has some stuff not working as standard in order to get around the software issues (like TC based on your example above)?

My car is a track car and I decided to leave it off as it intervenes way too much for my driving style.All my cars run TC off,even my stock M's when I had them as they slow me down on the corners.I also don't enjoy 4 wheel drive(incl.gtr's,911's or even lambos)as the only thing more irritating than a nagging wife is understeer.I similarly don't enjoy autos or dual clutch unless I am cruising with my family as it takes the fun out of driving(FOR ME)and you need a clutch to do the things I do when playing(anyone that's been with me will know what I am talking about)Ken Block style!You can't do that with a auto.That is just my preference and I am not saying that any of the above are not good and i am NOT Ken Block either guys.

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@911 Turbo

The power figures look good, genuinely interested in what your machine does when it does hit the track/street/strip

Thanks,I'll take you for a spin when I get her back if you like to see for yourself.You can check what my V-box says for interest.

 

[extreme-eg]

@911 Turbo

The power figures look good, genuinely interested in what your machine does when it does hit the track/street/strip

Thanks,I'll take you for a spin when I get her back if you like to see for yourself.You can check what my V-box says for interest.

Thanks, I'll definitely take you up on that offer - should be a fun and informative exercise :=):

 

[ambroseg1]

I love okes like thisWe are not worthy,sorry that we have failed you Socrates.Please show us the right path,tell us where we are going wrong please?Your wisdom will be cherished for ever!Seriously!

Okes like what? Just becuase I wont suck your balls because your have a fast car built by a tuner?

Just because a car is built by someone doesnt mean it doesnt deserve critisism. If the critisism is a lie, then I agree, it is uncalled for. But just because its built by almighty SAV and does x speed over x distance at x exit speed doesnt somehow make it (or its owner IF he is a racist prick) immune to critism. If you to brand blind to see my point, then there is no right path to show you.

 

[Twinz]

...I can guarantee that every tuner picks up problems and it is a hard game to increase the power level 3-4 times more than standard (reliably),we should congratulate these guys for having the guts to do what they do....People always talk about the stuff ups but forget the achievements.

I soooooo agree with you :thumbs:

 

[ed_z]

Like I said in the first post guys and GIRLS, you obviously now get my point why I said this.

 

[MikeR]

I love okes like thisWe are not worthy,sorry that we have failed you Socrates.Please show us the right path,tell us where we are going wrong please?Your wisdom will be cherished for ever!Seriously!

Okes like what? Just becuase I wont suck your balls because your have a fast car built by a tuner?

Just because a car is built by someone doesnt mean it doesnt deserve critisism. If the critisism is a lie, then I agree, it is uncalled for. But just because its built by almighty SAV and does x speed over x distance at x exit speed doesnt somehow make it (or its owner IF he is a racist prick) immune to critism. If you to brand blind to see my point, then there is no right path to show you.

:blab: you sound like you have some issues to resolve with some one. :fencelook: do you also suffer from road rage :idea:

 

[911 boxer]

I love okes like thisWe are not worthy,sorry that we have failed you Socrates.Please show us the right path,tell us where we are going wrong please?Your wisdom will be cherished for ever!Seriously!

Okes like what? Just becuase I wont suck your balls because your have a fast car built by a tuner?

Just because a car is built by someone doesnt mean it doesnt deserve critisism. If the critisism is a lie, then I agree, it is uncalled for. But just because its built by almighty SAV and does x speed over x distance at x exit speed doesnt somehow make it (or its owner IF he is a racist prick) immune to critism. If you to brand blind to see my point, then there is no right path to show you.

I have seen you many times at the circus and know you want to be the star of the show,don't forget your nose bud!You still havn't told us about your legendary wheels yet,mr Socrates or is it Alexander the great.You are conquering the world,bro!

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dont give a toss. its a car. with a turbo that somebody fitted. does not make car or that somebody the alpha and omega. Saying negative things about both is therefore not sacrilege.
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How old are you?Do your parents know that you are using all their data up!The alpha and omega??????WTF!

 

[George Smooth]

This thread is going no where now. Locking it up.
Once there is something to post car related you guys can start a new thread.

 

[UberTaner]

Er... thanks George... I wasn't finished discussing these cars.

If you have nothing constructive to post, don't...

@911, I know Sergios car go the KWV3 suspension and you got the KW Club Sport suspension installed in yours.

If you don't mind me asking do you recall how much the suspension was (this is something I am thinking about doing down once I get on top of the car a bit more)

And secondly how much stiffer is the Club Sport over the V3's? Does it really force the car to be track only due to the harsh / firm ride? Or can it still handle daily roads, all be it with more bumps?

Thanks

 

[911 boxer]

Er... thanks George... I wasn't finished discussing these cars.

If you have nothing constructive to post, don't...

@911, I know Sergios car go the KWV3 suspension and you got the KW Club Sport suspension installed in yours.

If you don't mind me asking do you recall how much the suspension was (this is something I am thinking about doing down once I get on top of the car a bit more)

And secondly how much stiffer is the Club Sport over the V3's? Does it really force the car to be track only due to the harsh / firm ride? Or can it still handle daily roads, all be it with more bumps?

Thanks

They are very similar and I actually prefer the clubsports more.My GT3 RS which I have done corner weights and full race alignment lowered another 15mm (just dont go to porsche motorsport cause they charge nearly 30k just for that!!!)is very aggressive so the Z4 feels like a limo compared to that.Clubsports go for around 30-33k with top mounts,I also suggest eurathn. bushes and engine mounts for track warriors but semi's are going to make it a little bumpy on the road so stick with a good road tire like michelin ps 2 or cup's.This setup would be fine for the road and surprisingly not too hard!

 

[George Smooth]

Threads have been merged.
Any further personal attacks will result in warnings and being sent to the principals office.

 

[ed_z]

You guys have been warned, you will get lashes and not the funky kind. Its easy click on the username of the person you would like to talk nonsense to and pm him. And if you do want a audience bring your fast cars and lets go out for a day at the races guys. After all i think thats why we all participate on these forums.:bravo:

 

[George Smooth]

Er... thanks George... I wasn't finished discussing these cars.

If you have nothing constructive to post, don't...

@911, I know Sergios car go the KWV3 suspension and you got the KW Club Sport suspension installed in yours.

If you don't mind me asking do you recall how much the suspension was (this is something I am thinking about doing down once I get on top of the car a bit more)

And secondly how much stiffer is the Club Sport over the V3's? Does it really force the car to be track only due to the harsh / firm ride? Or can it still handle daily roads, all be it with more bumps?

Thanks

If you concerned about the ride and want the best of both worlds google for the KW DCC, they have three adjustments in car and with a iphone or ipad the adjustments are infinite. I am not sure if they have released for the Z4 but it seems they can be adapted for any model. I am getting the kit for the Merc which isnt plug and play but the wiring seems pretty easy.

 

[ed_z]

Er... thanks George... I wasn't finished discussing these cars.

If you have nothing constructive to post, don't...

@911, I know Sergios car go the KWV3 suspension and you got the KW Club Sport suspension installed in yours.

If you don't mind me asking do you recall how much the suspension was (this is something I am thinking about doing down once I get on top of the car a bit more)

And secondly how much stiffer is the Club Sport over the V3's? Does it really force the car to be track only due to the harsh / firm ride? Or can it still handle daily roads, all be it with more bumps?

Thanks

What is your Application? Track days, stance or just better handling?
I have the KW Clubsports with top mounts and spring rates have been increased for track use and they are comfortably hard. 911 Z4 is even more comfortable as his spring rates i think are still stock. Variant 3 is still too stock vs proper handling rigid like the Clubsport for me.

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I use mine with track setup on road but when we go aggressive for Lap times etc we increase spring rate and alot more camber which does not drive badly but the wagon battles to track straight on open roads etc. Normal nice ride height and camber settings you will enjoy so much and you will know they are in but your ride is still good. Gives the M cars so much more driver feedback and rigidity.