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Saving the Witch. A fanatics charity.
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Executer
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In no way is mty post stirring, or attacking in any nature. Why remove it?
Hi Guys,
I think all intentions are good here. I do however have a bit of a rant here.
Last year when Thunders car first broke, myself and Nadia, my fiancé offered to assist.
In total Nadia helped Thunder to obtain in excess of R6000 which was intended to assist him in fixing up his car.
I take offence to the fact that we assisted Thunder, and no mention is made in this thread of assistance received already towards this.
Then, my personal opinion.
The forum is becoming a massive Charity Case.
I have a E46 which is currently not in running condition. My insurance are not willing to fix it. The cause of the damage was and still is beyond my control. (Flooding) Would these same kind members also contribute towards the R60 000 repair bill at BMW for getting a vehicle I desperately need in a running condition????
To Thunder I have also in the past offered assistance with Studies and Material, and to date he has not made any effort to come and collect it from me.
Hi Guys,
I think all intentions are good here. I do however have a bit of a rant here.
Last year when Thunders car first broke, myself and Nadia, my fiancé offered to assist.
In total Nadia helped Thunder to obtain in excess of R6000 which was intended to assist him in fixing up his car.
I take offence to the fact that we assisted Thunder, and no mention is made in this thread of assistance received already towards this.
Then, my personal opinion.
The forum is becoming a massive Charity Case.
I have a E46 which is currently not in running condition. My insurance are not willing to fix it. The cause of the damage was and still is beyond my control. (Flooding) Would these same kind members also contribute towards the R60 000 repair bill at BMW for getting a vehicle I desperately need in a running condition????
To Thunder I have also in the past offered assistance with Studies and Material, and to date he has not made any effort to come and collect it from me.
Crash_Nemesis
///Member
How was the R6000 obtained?
I heard it was a Tax return. If so, is it not his money in the first place that you helped him get back?
I was made aware that at the time of this R6000 being returned to him, Thunder needed an amount of R14 000.00 to fix his car. I was told he used the R6000 to makes means of getting another vehicle (a bike) to get to work as he had trouble with transport.
I may stand to be corrected here. Please PM me so we can get to the bottom of this, as this was brought to my attention by one of the admin's yesterday as you messaged him first, he then called me and we had a brief chat.
I have then since been speaking with Bruce to understand what is going on with this R6000.
Now, let me just say, I strongly believe that if the R6000 was donated to Bruce, by you, out of your own pocket. As in, it cost you money, and that the money was meant for him to fix the car, and only the car, then Bruce needs to spend the R6000 on the car. This should have been brought to my attention earlier. But, If you helped him procure a tax return on money that was legally owed to him, then it is his money and he can do with it as he pleases. Yes, you helped him in good faith that he would use the return to fix his car, but at the time, the amount was not enough and he needed a means to get to work. He was forced to buy a bike, and thus, start parting out his car. This is how I understand the situation. If this is not the case, please let me know. But seriously, we could have done this in a more tasteful manner and privately.
Regards to the forum becoming a chartiy case, what is wrong with that. So some of us have some extra money that we can afford to help another member out with. It's not about "look at me, I am supporting all these charities." It's about helping a fellow fanatic out. The charity is purely up to the fanatics to partake in. You are welcome to start your own one to raise funds to fix any car you wish. It is up to the fanatics to decide whether they support it or not. No one is holding a gun to their heads. HerrBMW, LZ and many other memeber (apologies that I don't state all your names) did a remarkable thing last month by helping another member out who had some financial trouble. They did it cause they care. Bruce never came to me to ask if I'd help him. Myself, Peter, and the other members decided we'd do it because I have been in his position with a blown engine and not wanting to part with a car you love. Fuck, I'd be disappointed if this forum wasn't supportive.
None the less, sorry for the long post. Have a potato and Executor, Please PM me so we can clear this up. Thanks.
I heard it was a Tax return. If so, is it not his money in the first place that you helped him get back?
I was made aware that at the time of this R6000 being returned to him, Thunder needed an amount of R14 000.00 to fix his car. I was told he used the R6000 to makes means of getting another vehicle (a bike) to get to work as he had trouble with transport.
I may stand to be corrected here. Please PM me so we can get to the bottom of this, as this was brought to my attention by one of the admin's yesterday as you messaged him first, he then called me and we had a brief chat.
I have then since been speaking with Bruce to understand what is going on with this R6000.
Now, let me just say, I strongly believe that if the R6000 was donated to Bruce, by you, out of your own pocket. As in, it cost you money, and that the money was meant for him to fix the car, and only the car, then Bruce needs to spend the R6000 on the car. This should have been brought to my attention earlier. But, If you helped him procure a tax return on money that was legally owed to him, then it is his money and he can do with it as he pleases. Yes, you helped him in good faith that he would use the return to fix his car, but at the time, the amount was not enough and he needed a means to get to work. He was forced to buy a bike, and thus, start parting out his car. This is how I understand the situation. If this is not the case, please let me know. But seriously, we could have done this in a more tasteful manner and privately.
Regards to the forum becoming a chartiy case, what is wrong with that. So some of us have some extra money that we can afford to help another member out with. It's not about "look at me, I am supporting all these charities." It's about helping a fellow fanatic out. The charity is purely up to the fanatics to partake in. You are welcome to start your own one to raise funds to fix any car you wish. It is up to the fanatics to decide whether they support it or not. No one is holding a gun to their heads. HerrBMW, LZ and many other memeber (apologies that I don't state all your names) did a remarkable thing last month by helping another member out who had some financial trouble. They did it cause they care. Bruce never came to me to ask if I'd help him. Myself, Peter, and the other members decided we'd do it because I have been in his position with a blown engine and not wanting to part with a car you love. Fuck, I'd be disappointed if this forum wasn't supportive.
None the less, sorry for the long post. Have a potato and Executor, Please PM me so we can clear this up. Thanks.
Executer
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The money was indeed obtained by means of assisting him with his tax return.
Did he mention that all previous years he got ZERO back?
Did I mention that Nadia does this as a profession? And at a fee?
I feel we went out of our way to assist, and yes I might have not given him the money out of my own pocket, but its about the principle and not the money.
If people have assisted you in some way for this cause, be open about it.
Did he mention that all previous years he got ZERO back?
Did I mention that Nadia does this as a profession? And at a fee?
I feel we went out of our way to assist, and yes I might have not given him the money out of my own pocket, but its about the principle and not the money.
If people have assisted you in some way for this cause, be open about it.
Crash_Nemesis
///Member
Many have helped in this cause. Their names are on the first page. Go read.
The amounts they have given are kept private as this is not a dick swinging contest.
You helped him Tiaan, and it was a great achievement that I know he is grateful for, but he needed a means to get to work. Are you so cold that you would derail this thread and destroy his last chance at fixing his car because you believe the money was meant solely to fix the car. That money you got him helped him more than you think. Unfortunately the money was not enough for him to fix the car, so he did the next best thing, he bought a bike and started to part out his beloved witch. Understand why he did it.
I really don't see the problem with what Bruce did. Shit, I'd have done the same thing had I been in Bruce's position. What your GF did was honorable, she chose to help him out and not charge him to get the tax return. You think my time doesn't cost money? That I sit here messaging members, searching for car parts, collecting money and going to see engines for Bruce's car because I enjoy it?
Sigh.
The amounts they have given are kept private as this is not a dick swinging contest.
You helped him Tiaan, and it was a great achievement that I know he is grateful for, but he needed a means to get to work. Are you so cold that you would derail this thread and destroy his last chance at fixing his car because you believe the money was meant solely to fix the car. That money you got him helped him more than you think. Unfortunately the money was not enough for him to fix the car, so he did the next best thing, he bought a bike and started to part out his beloved witch. Understand why he did it.
I really don't see the problem with what Bruce did. Shit, I'd have done the same thing had I been in Bruce's position. What your GF did was honorable, she chose to help him out and not charge him to get the tax return. You think my time doesn't cost money? That I sit here messaging members, searching for car parts, collecting money and going to see engines for Bruce's car because I enjoy it?
Sigh.
tcal69
///Member
Executer@TFDetails said:
100%
Not starting sh!t, but what happened to the people that donated money that "suppose" to go to the car? what happen if is not enough? Does Thunder have the right to use the fund as he see fits?
The point Tiaan is making is he and Nadia help with the R6k tax refund that "suppose to go fixing the car", that's all he is stating and just wondering what happened to that that's all...
You guys are making Tiaan out to be a horrible person. In actual fact, his and Nadia's help was the MOST vital contribution as this allowed Bruce to get new wheels.
What is cold is that none of you can acknowledge the importance of this, or at the very least give both Tiaan and Nadia the recognition they deserve and that to me is sad.
You guys are quick to judge, then even quicker you cover up tracks by taking a well natured post and turning it on its head by making charitable people out to be bad people. Instead of Bruce just coming up and admitting to it himself, and explaining how the money was spent, this was handled poorly.
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What is cold is that none of you can acknowledge the importance of this, or at the very least give both Tiaan and Nadia the recognition they deserve and that to me is sad.
You guys are quick to judge, then even quicker you cover up tracks by taking a well natured post and turning it on its head by making charitable people out to be bad people. Instead of Bruce just coming up and admitting to it himself, and explaining how the money was spent, this was handled poorly.
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Crash_Nemesis
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Hey Tcal.
I have all the money in a bank account and the money is PURELY for this car. If it's not enough, we wait till it is. If it comes down to it never will be enough and the car doesn't get fixed. I return the money to the guys who paid. I will not start spending money till we have raised enough to get the all the parts. I don't believe in spending some money and then the project gets abandoned.
But it is a good point that you raised. Thank you.
Now, because the engine build and other parts are donated. The cost to fix the car will be nowhere near the R14 000 that Thunder was quoted.
Let me say it again. I am in control of the money. Not thunder. I will not allow it to be spent on anything other than fixing the car. I will collect slips from items purchased so that if a member who donated wishes to see where his money was spent, I have a paper trail.
Any money left over after the build, can be used toward another charity event, possibly going towards the account Arbee has created. Arbee and I have briefly spoken about the charity even on June 7th and I think this is a good idea.
I am sure all the guys who donated will be ok with that.
Hope this clears that up.
I have all the money in a bank account and the money is PURELY for this car. If it's not enough, we wait till it is. If it comes down to it never will be enough and the car doesn't get fixed. I return the money to the guys who paid. I will not start spending money till we have raised enough to get the all the parts. I don't believe in spending some money and then the project gets abandoned.
But it is a good point that you raised. Thank you.
Now, because the engine build and other parts are donated. The cost to fix the car will be nowhere near the R14 000 that Thunder was quoted.
Let me say it again. I am in control of the money. Not thunder. I will not allow it to be spent on anything other than fixing the car. I will collect slips from items purchased so that if a member who donated wishes to see where his money was spent, I have a paper trail.
Any money left over after the build, can be used toward another charity event, possibly going towards the account Arbee has created. Arbee and I have briefly spoken about the charity even on June 7th and I think this is a good idea.
I am sure all the guys who donated will be ok with that.
Hope this clears that up.
TBH surely this would be better dealt with by PM...
maybe Bruce did not realize they wanted public recognition for what they did...
6k to spend on a bike must have really helped him alot regardless of how it came about because he could still get to work to earn money... this is probably the biggest contribution anyone could have ever made to help...
rather than everyone jumping in and causing chaos and hurt feelings may i suggest we allow those directly involved to resolve this privately...
maybe Bruce did not realize they wanted public recognition for what they did...
6k to spend on a bike must have really helped him alot regardless of how it came about because he could still get to work to earn money... this is probably the biggest contribution anyone could have ever made to help...
rather than everyone jumping in and causing chaos and hurt feelings may i suggest we allow those directly involved to resolve this privately...
Crash_Nemesis
///Member
Fuzz said:
Fuzz, not my intention. As you can read, I did state Tiaan does not realize how important his and Nadia's contribution was. This could easily have been done over PM. He chose to go public and the way he did it was poorly executed. No pun intended.
We can add his name to the front, I am all for that, but then he should have stated in the beginning it was a TAX return and not make it sound like he gave R6000 and Bruce pissed it away. Both parties are at fault and I'm calling bullshit. I stand for what is right and this was handled like children.
so Bruce got R6000 back from SARS,not from Tiaan and Nadia,maybe Nadia helped get it back and maybe she can charge people for this,but decided to do it for free
but if it is a problem that bruce did not pay for her services and tiaan feels that he should have then do me a big favour,send me her bill and I will pay it.
now what bruce did with R6000 at the time(before this thread was created) was to get himself mobile again by buying a bike to get to work and back,so as he could have an income and I have been in contact with bruce on a weekly basis even going to his house and trying to help get his car sorted,bruce did nothing wrong in my eyes,and in fact I applaud him on buying the bike as he has had to ride it in all weather conditions,something I couldn't do
to Crash ,Peter and the rest of the guys helping Bruce,:bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo:, you are awesome people and I am glad to know you all,Thank you
Oh and Tiaan,people can help who they want,i for one did not know your e46 was still broken as I thought the insurance had sorted it out, unfortunately I can not help Bruce financially ,has I am unemployed and turning over every cent,but I will support where I can
but if it is a problem that bruce did not pay for her services and tiaan feels that he should have then do me a big favour,send me her bill and I will pay it.
now what bruce did with R6000 at the time(before this thread was created) was to get himself mobile again by buying a bike to get to work and back,so as he could have an income and I have been in contact with bruce on a weekly basis even going to his house and trying to help get his car sorted,bruce did nothing wrong in my eyes,and in fact I applaud him on buying the bike as he has had to ride it in all weather conditions,something I couldn't do
to Crash ,Peter and the rest of the guys helping Bruce,:bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo::bravo:, you are awesome people and I am glad to know you all,Thank you
Oh and Tiaan,people can help who they want,i for one did not know your e46 was still broken as I thought the insurance had sorted it out, unfortunately I can not help Bruce financially ,has I am unemployed and turning over every cent,but I will support where I can
Crash_Nemesis
///Member
Thanks Gizmo. Legend. Will let you know after the weekend. I will be away till Monday night and won't be able to look at the forum till then.
zaleonardz
Well-known member
Can we do nothing without fighting like a bunch of girls.
Rayzor
Well-known member
zaleonardz@DentDocVPS said:
You are absolutely right, all this is really messed up. Tiaan did something that was extremely great and now made to look like an assss for his post.
Was it so hard to just say thanks, I'm sure he would have been happy with that. Instead the post was removed instead of been responded to. I too would be annoyed if my post was removed unfairly.
Its funny how the person involved remains quite while the troopers attack :nonono:
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