Procede V5 - Meths supplies & map settings

[Baracus]

Anyone know where I can buy race grade Methanol near Randburg/Fourways area? I can get from Trident chemicals in Germiston but its a bit far to travel there all the time, going though this stuff like crazy! :rollsmile:

I've been struggling with some wiring issues on the meths kit but finally think I've got it sorted. The car feels like its running on rocket fuel now, massive difference at the reef! Timing and boost on these Procede maps is definitely set for American high octane fuel, timing curve now starts at 10degrees and goes to, and stays at 15degrees advance through out the run at 16.5-17psi. That was only on a 50/50 mix. To put that in perspective I made 261wkw 606nm at 15.5psi on 95 pump fuel. Waiting try 18psi+, but will use 75/25 mix with some OB. Can't wait to get to the dyno sometime..

 

[Baracus]

Bump!

Anyone know where I can get some methanol near the Randburg area?? This meths is addictive stuff hey! LOL!

 

[Twinz]

I will pump some your way...just need a long enough cable :rollsmile:

 

[Twinz]

But seriously, the meth takes the car to a different level. Excellent, cooling benefits and great power :thumbs:

 

[Baracus]

:rollsmile:

I will pump some your way...just need a long enough cable :rollsmile:

Thanks Twins :=):

Meths is so addictive I decided to drive all the way to Germiston this afternoon, picked up 2 x 25l of 99.9% pure meths for only R400 :rollsmile:

But seriously, the meth takes the car to a different level. Excellent, cooling benefits and great power :thumbs:

Yep its a whole new level, smooth as silk and pulling like a rocket!

Think the difference for us is in SA is greater than the yanks though, as our base pump fuel is of such poor quality.

Would be good if Carte Blanche did an expose, and measured actual octane levels to see if our pump fuel is really 95RON?? I've a sneaky suspicion that a few garages may be selling 93 as 95 If I try run a standard 91RM (US equivalent to our 95RON) Procede map on recommended US settings for my mods, I have a horrendous timing curve? Others also at altitude in the US (i.e Colorado) using 91RM, have not such problems? Which leads me to believe we are perhaps being sold inferior fuel under the guise of 95??

 

[Twinz]

I agree with you. Our diesel is just as bad.

Baracus tell me about your meth flow window?

I use to have my meth come on at 9psi cutting off at 13.5psi.

But for the past couple of months i found this setting far better:
Meth start at 5psi flowing 25% and reach 100% by 13.5psi

The early flow seems to gear the car up to hit the sweet spots better. Like 3rd gear is silky smooth and the meth window flow is about 60% in that gear.

Whats your settings so far? One is learning the moods of the car all over again :thumbs:

 

[Inactive]

We sell it in 25ltr containers. Let me know how much you want. Depending on how much you order we will deliver. (min 3x 25ltrs)

Our sales office is based in Randburg.

 

[Twinz]

Brucet, please advise.
If i open the drum the first time and close the top tightly after use and keep the drum in a cool spot in the garage...will the meth maintain its strength after a few months after been opened? Was wondering about this because i have quite a few drums.

 

[Inactive]

Brucet, please advise.
If i open the drum the first time and close the top tightly after use and keep the drum in a cool spot in the garage...will the meth maintain its strength after a few months after been opened? Was wondering about this because i have quite a few drums.

Yes it will as long as it is closed properly. Just dont inhale it, its very poisonous.

 

[Twinz]

Cool, thanks for the reply :thumbs:

 

[outlaw335]

Baracus who did your install for you?

Meth is next on my wish list, just busy scouting at the moment...

 

[Baracus]

Baracus tell me about your meth flow window?

I use to have my meth come on at 9psi cutting off at 13.5psi.

But for the past couple of months i found this setting far better:
Meth start at 5psi flowing 25% and reach 100% by 13.5psi

The early flow seems to gear the car up to hit the sweet spots better. Like 3rd gear is silky smooth and the meth window flow is about 60% in that gear.

Whats your settings so far? One is learning the moods of the car all over again :thumbs:

Twinz have attached a log below, looks like I'm at about +-90% (36) flow at 7psi, but only hit full 100% (40) at about 14.5psi? The Procede maps start transitioning between the pump map and race map as soon as the meths flows, basically it interpolates boost between the 2 maps dependant on how much flow there is, so if theres no flow you can never boost more than your pump map.

However waiting for Shiv to release the new beta maps which apparently have dynamic meth flow targeting, which actively follow the boost curve.

We sell it in 25ltr containers. Let me know how much you want. Depending on how much you order we will deliver. (min 3x 25ltrs)

Our sales office is based in Randburg

Thats great news! Pls can u PM me how much, also what grade do u supply, is it M1 99.9%? Unfortunately I'm gonna have to wait a while before buying again, as just bought 50l! Well that depends on how addicted to Meths I become :rollsmile:

Baracus who did your install for you?

Meth is next on my wish list, just busy scouting at the moment...

Did the install myself, just followed the Procede DIY, took 5 hours though , but will be much quicker next time as I now know how everything fits together

 

[George Smooth]

Bruce can you get it to come in 2psi later? It looks like you bogging the motor with too much flow too early. In a race situation you will feel the car over laggy in first where you will feel the onset of the meth at higher rpm but the over fuel will cause your car not to reach anywhere close to full boost in first which can cost about two tenths according to my experiment. Remember you never race in one gear from 1500rpm. Delay the meth onset as much as you can until you notice the temps at peak torque (boost) start increasing. Kudos to you though for getting so far :thumbs:

 

[Twinz]

GS you mean Baracus? And not Bruce? :=):

George has a point. But the log looks very good to me. Is their away that you could scale the meth flow down to between 15% - 25% when it first engage? I assume you using the latest 10 nozzle? Too much flow early on can impact but i like an early trickle of meth but just enough not to cause flooding.

 

[Inactive]

Thats great news! Pls can u PM me how much, also what grade do u supply, is it M1 99.9%? Unfortunately I'm gonna have to wait a while before buying again, as just bought 50l! Well that depends on how addicted to Meths I become :rollsmile:

I'll answer here in case anyone else needs to know. On one to four 25ltr containers we charge R398.60 each. For higher quantities (5 or more) we can go down to around R360 per 25Ltr. So it would be better if you group buy.
It is 99.9%. We supply it ito lab's so it is high quality and every batch is tested for purity.

 

[Baracus]

Bruce can you get it to come in 2psi later? It looks like you bogging the motor with too much flow too early. In a race situation you will feel the car over laggy in first where you will feel the onset of the meth at higher rpm but the over fuel will cause your car not to reach anywhere close to full boost in first which can cost about two tenths according to my experiment. Remember you never race in one gear from 1500rpm. Delay the meth onset as much as you can until you notice the temps at peak torque (boost) start increasing. Kudos to you though for getting so far :thumbs:

George has a point. But the log looks very good to me. Is their away that you could scale the meth flow down to between 15% - 25% when it first engage? I assume you using the latest 10 nozzle? Too much flow early on can impact but i like an early trickle of meth but just enough not to cause flooding.

Yep I agree, think it would be better for the meths to come in slightly later, have been playing around with the settings so will see what I can do. However I definitely think the new dynamic meths targettting maps will sort all this out, have a look at this link:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637040&highlight=dynamic+meth+target

Also just a question, how long does you meths usually last, was doing a few WOT runs last night and a couple on my way to work this morning, as I arrived the wiper tank was empty??? :shocked:
Am going through this stuff like crazy?? Am using twin 10 nozzles

Also George just a question around my boost curve? Am using a custon map for altitude with slightly more taper than the std Procede maps but at higher pressures my boost doesn't seem to be holding as well as it should? What did your curve look like at 5500-6000 rpms when u were running the standard turbo's, I know they lose a lot at the reef due to the thin air, but the drop off seems a bit excessive??

 

[Twinz]

The twin nozzles is the reason your meth is vapourising :=):

I also go through meth rapidly but i am running a single nozzle so mine lasts a little longer than yours :thumbs:

 

[Twinz]

Glad you changed the heading of the thread. There is alot of useful info in here which will benefit the x35 guys. :thumbs:

 

[Seether]

Brucet, please advise.
If i open the drum the first time and close the top tightly after use and keep the drum in a cool spot in the garage...will the meth maintain its strength after a few months after been opened? Was wondering about this because i have quite a few drums.

Yes it will as long as it is closed properly. Just dont inhale it, its very poisonous.

How do you avoid inhaling it when you refilling your meth kit?

I need to get myself a nice kit.

 

[Baracus]

Brucet, please advise.
If i open the drum the first time and close the top tightly after use and keep the drum in a cool spot in the garage...will the meth maintain its strength after a few months after been opened? Was wondering about this because i have quite a few drums.

Yes it will as long as it is closed properly. Just dont inhale it, its very poisonous.

How do you avoid inhaling it when you refilling your meth kit?

I need to get myself a nice kit.

Yep Meths is horrible stuff to deal with :yuck: Made the mistake of sucking on some clear tubing to try siphon some meths out of the 25l plastic container, NOT a good plan!!! Am going passed Builders Warehouse tomorrow to see if I can find something to pump it mechanically rather, anyone know of anything I can use?

And then of course the other problem is getting the stuff in the windscreen wiper tank, a 75/25% mix is highly flammable, so even a couple of drops spilling on hot turbos is very bad news!