Non payment for work

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Gizmo

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a1exander said:
Gizmo said:
Peter I have great respect towards you and continue to confide in you but in the end of the day, you are not the one out of pocket here, I am.
Zayd texted me on the 14th of Jan asking if I had a front bumper, bonnet, right fender, fender liner and valance for his car, I said I did not have any of those items and said they are scarce parts. On the 26th of Jan I had found the items he needed and said I could supply him with them if he settled his debt with me, he never replied...

Warren the reason he texted you was at my request I have never betrayed a confidence yet you choose to betray one over money...........clearly you have once again missed the point and this time I shall not explain it to you.



This is my final word on the matter and I consider it closed.
Peter, how am I to know you told Zayd to text me? From my side it looked like Zayd texted me looking for my help even though he hadn't settled his debt with me.
There is no betrayal here, yes the issue is about money outstanding but it is not about you, its about Zayd the guy you referred to me not paying his total bill after he just spent close on R60k with you, so what is R4393 when he just spent R60k? May as well just write it off and not give a fuck!
From your stand point, you got your R60k and weren't put out of pocket, he was a good customer to you. I on the other hand got screwed over so he wasn't a good customer to me. My quam is with Zayd, not you Peter.

Peter we will still collaborate on jobs and talk 'shop' with each other as nothing has changed here, we make a good team after all. Please don't see this as a betrayal over money because it isn't.
 

cOlDFuSiOn

New member
Last sentence in your first paragraph above.. That sir is you giving yourself some good advice. Forget about it and make it up with getting more work in, my attitude towards life really.. What other people do to you is for them to deal with you can't change a thing, what you do to 'bounce back' so to speak should be your only concern. :=):

My 2c on dealing with life and such situations.
 

dvst8

///Member
So, im still not clear. Is the amount outstanding for the work completed or the work that wasnt done/done incorrectly?

My view. If its for work that was complete, yes you should claim it.

However, if the amount is for the work that was not done/incorrectly done, how can you claim that ?
 

JustNN

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If i was in this boat i would pay the man.
If i quote some body and complete half the job do i not deserve half the money. Not everything in life goes smooth and the way you want it.

Gizmo invested money(in time, parts, labour and storage) so he deserves what he put in. He didnt take anyone for a ride by charging for work not done.

Put yourself in his shoes for a second and think.
 

Peter@AEW

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JustNN said:
If i was in this boat i would pay the man.
If i quote some body and complete half the job do i not deserve half the money. Not everything in life goes smooth and the way you want it.

Gizmo invested money(in time, parts, labour and storage) so he deserves what he put in. He didnt take anyone for a ride by charging for work not done.

Put yourself in his shoes for a second and think.
Parts were paid for and half the bill was settled,as stated by Zayd and not refuted by Warren.
Part of the unpaid bill was for the work done on the gearbox which was not selecting prior to the car going in and was not selecting after the car was worked on.
I miss the point you are trying to make?
 

adamr

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I think this discussion should not have been made on a public forum with risk of damaging people's reputations ... Maybe mods should close this ?


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Hugo_za

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adamr said:
I think this discussion should not have been made on a public forum with risk of damaging people's reputations ... Maybe mods should close this ?


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I agree. If this mater could not be settled "offline" why would bringing it onto our forum make it any different. There is a time and place for everything and I don't think that this forum was the correct place.

Just my honest opinion.


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dvst8

///Member
JustNN said:
If i was in this boat i would pay the man.
If i quote some body and complete half the job do i not deserve half the money. Not everything in life goes smooth and the way you want it.

Gizmo invested money(in time, parts, labour and storage) so he deserves what he put in. He didnt take anyone for a ride by charging for work not done.

Put yourself in his shoes for a second and think.

The notion that you have to pay for a Service/Product that you did not receive is absurd.

I agree with the sentiments above that this should not have been brought online.

But, now that it has, It makes me wonder how this would have turned out should Zayed have created a thread in this section highlighting his dissatisfaction with the service/workmanship he received.
 

DieselFan

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I was going to stay clear of this thread but I would like to share this.

As a mechanic and with car problems. In my experience one cannot always determine 100% what is causing the problem. There are times when you fix or replace something and the problem still persists, as the issue could be caused by a number of things. Ie you have a boost leak and your mechanic believes its a vacuum leak and replaces all the vacuum lines. I suppose it comes down to the technicians experience and diagnostic skills to determine which problem is most likely and even the best may get it wrong.

In situations like this I believe, some may differ, it is best to pay for the work done.
 

Gizmo

Banned
a1exander said:
JustNN said:
If i was in this boat i would pay the man.
If i quote some body and complete half the job do i not deserve half the money. Not everything in life goes smooth and the way you want it.

Gizmo invested money(in time, parts, labour and storage) so he deserves what he put in. He didnt take anyone for a ride by charging for work not done.

Put yourself in his shoes for a second and think.
Parts were paid for and half the bill was settled,as stated by Zayd and not refuted by Warren.
Part of the unpaid bill was for the work done on the gearbox which was not selecting prior to the car going in and was not selecting after the car was worked on.
I miss the point you are trying to make?
Peter, you are contradicting yourself here. You agreed with me that the issue was clutch/flywheel related via telephone at the time and on post #215 where you said and I quote: "Clutch takes very low and I was forced to switch the car off to engage gear and start. Once first has been selected the box will shift however pedal takes very low."
You even commended me on a job well done on the gearbox. We and everyone else who knows how clutches work will know that selecting gears on a clutch that is dragging (not fully disengaging) is not going to work properly as the gearbox input shaft is still rotating under power from the engine. I could have put 10 different ZF 5spd boxes in there and every single one would have done the exact same thing.
On the clutch/flywheel issue we determined that the clutch and pressure plate used was indeed the correct Sachs unit as it had the part numbers stamped into the steel. When I removed it to determine the flywheel being used I had noted that it was strangely a LUK unit who print their part number in black ink letters onto the side of the flywheel but someone had used thinners to remove the ink printed part numbers off of it so we couldn't determine what flywheel it actually was, who would do such a thing if not to cover up their tracks for installing the incorrect flywheel? If you consider the state in which the car was in with all the half-ass cheap fixes would you not think that the PO/mechanic would have opted to install the vastly cheaper 330i flywheel that is readily available at every spares shop around SA instead of the correct and hugely expensive 3.0lt M3 flywheel?
Remember when I said to you that it looks absolutely identical to the 330i flywheel? Well a quick google search shows that the 3.0lt M3 one looks way different to a 330i one...

Peter, you are a sensible man and know for a fact that I am correct here as I have done many gearbox/clutch/flywheel combinations over the years to know what is what and what works and what doesn't, you even phone me for advice on the subject from time to time...I cannot understand why you are siding with Zayd's poor actions in paying up, its like you are defending his/your own action/decision in the matter of not paying up. This leads me to think that you told Zayd not to pay me in full, like you told him to text me looking for body parts of his crashed M3, I could be way off the mark here but it sure doesn't feel like it when you who knows better takes the side of the person in the wrong...
 

Magneto

New member
This is never going to be resolved.

There is a broken trust relationship.

In this situation, all parts should be paid for and I would suggest half the labour. Go your separate ways before this gets any uglier and reputations/friendships are damaged beyond repair.
 

KarshS

///Member
gentleman. ...

if gizmo did work to the mans car that was fixed/completed the man should get paid.
why is the person in question not replying?

Peter you are respected person on this forum and you are tarnishing reputations by being a mouth piece.

can awepa just clear the air regarding why was payment not made. was the work not done....was it done not to your satisfaction?

the thread is not closed as it as a vendor satisfaction issue. if it is closed then we remove this sub section completely.

i ask that we respect each other and partys involved regarding non payment be addressed
 

Twinz

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Staff member
Good points Karsh. Thats the heart of the matter. Time to wrap this up buy the two individuals concerned, with short & straight answers.
 

Kimeran

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Karsh330D said:
gentleman. ...

if gizmo did work to the mans car that was fixed/completed the man should get paid.
why is the person in question not replying?

Peter you are respected person on this forum and you are tarnishing reputations by being a mouth piece.

can awepa just clear the air regarding why was payment not made. was the work not done....was it done not to your satisfaction?

the thread is not closed as it as a vendor satisfaction issue. if it is closed then we remove this sub section completely.

i ask that we respect each other and partys involved regarding non payment be addressed

I think the owner did mention in his reply that he refused to pay the full amount because the work was not completed.
It came in for certain issues, and he picked it up with the same issues so he refused to pay for it
 

Magneto

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Kimeran said:
I think the owner did mention in his reply that he refused to pay the full amount because the work was not completed.
It came in for certain issues, and he picked it up with the same issues so he refused to pay for it

+1

That's what I read too, and that is why I don't see any chance of resolution.
 

Fuzz@tinyNET

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+1

I think this centres around customer satisfaction more than anything. If one party can get paid R60k and another receives part-payment, I suppose the issue here is not money, but rather was the client expectation met?


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Clownshoe

Active member
Gizmo said:
Despite numerous efforts asking him to pay up he made it known to me that he would do no such thing so I have accepted that the mistake is mine for releasing the vehicle under the false pretences that he would EFT the same evening. Its a costly lesson on my part for placing trust in people, just goes to show you cannot be too careful in SA, even on our forum and its members that we call family. He is young and has a lot to learn about business ethics, karma will get the better of him...

Sounds like he initially agreed to pay.
 

ChefDJ

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AWEA Pa said:
... I got the car back . Gearbox , clutch and oil leak were the same as when it had gone to him . All the other stuff that you see in the pictures were done . I paid him half the money , ( I also paid him 3000 before he started for parts ) . The full money was not paid as the job was incomplete ...

Can clarity be provided on this as there seems to be confusion.

Was this charged for and unpaid, or were other things (completed) charged for and unpaid because of the above not being done?

If clarity cannot be provided, this thread is a waste of time as it serves only as speculation and all involved parties can then sort it out off the forum, or via private thread with restricted viewing until a consensus is agreed upon which can then later be revealed to the forum members to put all speculation to rest so that no unwarranted disbelief is held towards either parties involved.
 
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